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planten
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The replies given by MW ( in post #38) are very good from the Islamic point of view. I mean they are correct and no mistakes. Thanks MW. Keep it up please.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam
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God Willing I will try . Why not join here ? The other thread is closed
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inJESUS
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What about my question on page 2? 
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
Some people changed several verses , added something to suit their interest , to gain money , power etc . Thus holy books became corrupted .
So , God took the responsibility to protect His final holy book sent to the mankind. One of the ways to protect the Quran from corruption is that God made it easy for us to remember/memorise the whole Quran.
From the beginning of the revealation till today , thousands & thousands ( if not millions ) both Arabs & non Arabs men , women , children , aged people can remember the Quran by heart / memorised the whole book.
Even without understanding the meanings , non Arabs can recite the whole Quran from memory. They are called as Qurani Hafiz.
So , anybody if changes even a single word in this holy Book , Qurani Hafiz will catch the culprit immediately . So , it is recited / kept in the original form as it has been during the time of the last Prophet .
Also , compainions of the Prophet wrote down the revealation as soon as it came to him . Few old copies are kept in museum in Turkey , UK & in other countries . Anybody can check today’s Quran with the old copies .
Thus , it’s a miracle that Quran is unchanged & will remain uncorrupted till the last day.
Prophet Muhammed (p) did not teach anything new but reminded them about the origianl teaching all the Prophets taught their people : God is one , don’t take any diety besides God etc.
God says : “This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” [5:3]
hey , I can’t explain what & why something is in the Bible. Ask me from Quran.
God sent holy books to some Prophets . It was human’s responbility first to keep the books in its original form . Human failed .
Some people changed several verses , added something to suit their interest , to gain money , power etc . Thus holy books became corrupted .
So , God took the responsibility to protect His final holy book sent to the mankind. One of the ways to protect the Quran from corruption is that God made it easy for us to remember/memorise the whole Quran.
From the beginning of the revealation till today , thousands & thousands ( if not millions ) both Arabs & non Arabs men , women , children , aged people can remember the Quran by heart / memorised the whole book.
Even without understanding the meanings , non Arabs can recite the whole Quran from memory. They are called as Qurani Hafiz.
So , anybody if changes even a single word in this holy Book , Qurani Hafiz will catch the culprit immediately . So , it is recited / kept in the original form as it has been during the time of the last Prophet .
Also , compainions of the Prophet wrote down the revealation as soon as it came to him . Few old copies are kept in museum in Turkey , UK & in other countries . Anybody can check today’s Quran with the old copies .
Thus , it’s a miracle that Quran is unchanged & will remain uncorrupted till the last day.
Prophet Muhammed (p) did not teach anything new but reminded them about the origianl teaching all the Prophets taught their people : God is one , don’t take any diety besides God etc.
God says : “This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” [5:3]
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
It’s unfortunate that Muslims are devided on personal & political issues . Someone rightly said that Islam is the best religion with worst followers
Pl. don’t judge Islam by the bad actions of today’s Muslims.
True Islam is found in Quran & in the life of Prophet Muhammed (p) .
It’s unfortunate that Muslims are devided on personal & political issues . Someone rightly said that Islam is the best religion with worst followers
Pl. don’t judge Islam by the bad actions of today’s Muslims.
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AnAtheist
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A sound request. Let’s judge Islam by its content. Is it “true” to divide mankind into three groups by their personal faiths (muslim, dhimmi, kafir), and is it also “true” for those groups to have unequal human and civil rights?
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1holycatholic
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Thank you for your response.Salaam/peace;
True Islam is found in Quran & in the life of Prophet Muhammed (p) .
It’s unfortunate that Muslims are devided on personal & political issues . Someone rightly said that Islam is the best religion with worst followers
Pl. don’t judge Islam by the bad actions of today’s Muslims.
We know that Muhammed died. He must have designated a successor with authority to interpret the Koran. Who has that authority? Is Islam without any legitimate authority like Protestant Christians? Is the Koran subject to personal interpretation “Sola Koran” where the individual believer establishes their own doctrine?
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inJESUS
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R_not
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Yeah, why do you think it is such a good ‘religion’ when it teaches one to lie, kill, steal, enslave, and do atrocities to people?http://www.islamicity.com/graphics/BLRR.gif
With the name of ALLAH ( God Almighty)
-The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful
may peace & blessings of God be upon you
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Do you have any question about Islam , Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him ) or holy Quran ?
Pl. ask without using any nasty words .
InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , Muslims participants will try to answer
Why are you more concerned about the image of islam while the masses of muslims do nothing to stop the atrocities done worldwide? Instead we only hear about more violence being taught in mosques and madrassas.
Please do not quote the only peaceful passages (about a dozen) that are found in the koran since the violent ones outnumber the peaceful ones about 200 to 1.
How can you think a guy who killed, stole from, lied to, enslaved and only lusted for women - even his own children’s wives - as a prophet? The koran reads of battle tactics to be used against those who do not agree with mohammed and its adherents are more like zombie robots who follow blindly.
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R_not
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The koran is used by the followers of islam to prove that islam is peaceful, while the rest of the koran (most of it) is used by its adherents to prove that killing, enslaving, stealing from and lying to are justified.
But, we see the phenomenon that the so called masses of ‘moderates’ start practicing their sharia laws even when they migrate to other lands thumbing their noses at the laws of the country they migrate to. They do not wish to merge with their new homelands, but bring to the country their ways and their laws.
We just got notice from the news (Fox news) that homeland security told us that there will be more bombings and attacks against us in the USA from muslims. From what I have researched, this is the same thing that other countries are experiencing from muslim immigration. Why don’t muslims on a whole do something to control their own before it gets out of control and only proves my point that islam is not peaceful nor benign and its intentions are only death, conversion, or subjugation of us?
The same phenomenon is happening in other Western countries where muslims are allowed to immigrate to. Instead I only see more energy on threads like this to convince us that islam is peaceful. Before the chaos gets out of hand - nothing is ever done to stop it by the masses of ‘moderates’ of islam. Before it becomes so fearful for them to do anything - while they can be protected. Gee, an unusual concept that a ‘religion’ is so violent that some have to be protected from its own.
But, we see the phenomenon that the so called masses of ‘moderates’ start practicing their sharia laws even when they migrate to other lands thumbing their noses at the laws of the country they migrate to. They do not wish to merge with their new homelands, but bring to the country their ways and their laws.
We just got notice from the news (Fox news) that homeland security told us that there will be more bombings and attacks against us in the USA from muslims. From what I have researched, this is the same thing that other countries are experiencing from muslim immigration. Why don’t muslims on a whole do something to control their own before it gets out of control and only proves my point that islam is not peaceful nor benign and its intentions are only death, conversion, or subjugation of us?
The same phenomenon is happening in other Western countries where muslims are allowed to immigrate to. Instead I only see more energy on threads like this to convince us that islam is peaceful. Before the chaos gets out of hand - nothing is ever done to stop it by the masses of ‘moderates’ of islam. Before it becomes so fearful for them to do anything - while they can be protected. Gee, an unusual concept that a ‘religion’ is so violent that some have to be protected from its own.
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R_not
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Wow, another area where we find muslims unable to live with others.
jihadwatch.org/archives/022498.php
They are demanding their own land - again and because the people say ‘no’, the muslims continue with their bombing and killing of them. As the bombing and killing of the non-muslims continue as it has for quite some time. Not very ‘peaceful’ sounding to me. And they cannot even use the Jews as an excuse.
The same thing happens wherever the muslims start immigrating and their numbers increase to a certain percentage. They clump in areas (as they are doing now in the USA and other Western countries), the violence starts and of course, we only hear more of the same - islam is peaceful, blah blah blah - while the actions are the opposite of their words.
And as I stated in a previous post, if the masses of ‘moderates’ are so afraid of their violent ones (why do they harbor them!!), but why don’t they do something to stop it when they know they can get help from non-muslims?! Instead we only hear more of the same - that I am the bad one for noticing such phenomenons and that I am the bad one for saying such things, blah blah blah. And worldwide, people die and are tortured, and are kidnapped and enslaved and/or forced to convert and married off to muslim males (which is slavery!).
jihadwatch.org/archives/022498.php
They are demanding their own land - again and because the people say ‘no’, the muslims continue with their bombing and killing of them. As the bombing and killing of the non-muslims continue as it has for quite some time. Not very ‘peaceful’ sounding to me. And they cannot even use the Jews as an excuse.
The same thing happens wherever the muslims start immigrating and their numbers increase to a certain percentage. They clump in areas (as they are doing now in the USA and other Western countries), the violence starts and of course, we only hear more of the same - islam is peaceful, blah blah blah - while the actions are the opposite of their words.
And as I stated in a previous post, if the masses of ‘moderates’ are so afraid of their violent ones (why do they harbor them!!), but why don’t they do something to stop it when they know they can get help from non-muslims?! Instead we only hear more of the same - that I am the bad one for noticing such phenomenons and that I am the bad one for saying such things, blah blah blah. And worldwide, people die and are tortured, and are kidnapped and enslaved and/or forced to convert and married off to muslim males (which is slavery!).
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R_not
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Who is a bad muslim?
The ones who tell us that islam is peaceful or the ones who are doing the killing of the non-muslims? Well, since jihad and killing infidels is proclaimed as the most holy thing to do for allah - that might give us a clue. Or will it since deception is sanctioned in the koran and we find that the so called ‘peaceful’ ones do indeed give to muslim charities. Those same muslim charities that our government shuts down because they are funneled to the jihadists - yes, those same ones that kill.
Who is the good muslim in this case:
‘moderate muslim’ is a kafir term: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=76B12F33-3165-47D1-80ED-C3F1ACD07D8A
jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=7758
The Purpose of Islam~, The “Why” and “How”
Since Muhammads formation and rally cry of the Muslims a human conquer and control system has evolved that is the most stubborn, trespassing, retrograde, stifling, and deception laden of all mankinds devised governments. This Muhammadan Islamic system has plagued all humankind with a constant Manifesto of War and hatred since its inception.
~Muhammad, Grand Muftis, Mullahs, and Imams always have claimed to have “special” knowledge; an ability given from their
rock god Allah that others do not possess.
~Leadership is always authoritarian in nature and has neither accountability nor vulnerability to Islams followers.
~Islam deliberately teaches, and deeply fosters, an “US-versus-THEM” mentality that sees all humans, outside of Islam, as spiritually inferior and humanly flawed.
~Islam demonstrates its “distinctiveness” in rigid Muhammadan rules of dress, conduct, thought, and enforces these with vicious zeal. The legalistic interpretation of many writings and utterances is used to thoroughly indoctrinate humans from early childhood onward and cut members off from the greater society at large. Breaking of these mandatory codes can result in death of ‘apostates’ and encourages murder of non-Muslims.
~Islam demands wholehearted allegiance and total submission to authority from followers and punishes failures to adhere with mental torment, physical abuse, and emotionally and physically damaging rebukes; final banishment is by murder.
~Muslims worth and value is defined by the degree of martyrdom obtained within Muhammads Islam. Dying fighting ‘non-believers’ is the pinnacle of status taught by the controllers and sought by true followers. Controllers rarely die martyrs but, rather, wealthy and comfortable by natural causes.
~Islams top-down authority, since Muhammad and his Allah invention, controls all thought, circumvents human conscience, individual achievement, and stifles human creativity and invention. Muhammadism dictates all activity, forces financial payment, makes the peaceful violent, and defines acceptable and unacceptable Islamic behavior according to one.
Islam was created to control others to satiate the desires of its founder Muhammad and his predesessors.
The ones who tell us that islam is peaceful or the ones who are doing the killing of the non-muslims? Well, since jihad and killing infidels is proclaimed as the most holy thing to do for allah - that might give us a clue. Or will it since deception is sanctioned in the koran and we find that the so called ‘peaceful’ ones do indeed give to muslim charities. Those same muslim charities that our government shuts down because they are funneled to the jihadists - yes, those same ones that kill.
Who is the good muslim in this case:
- “I was ordered to fight all men until they say ‘There is no god but Allah.’” prophet Mohammad’s farewell address, March 632
- “I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Mohammed.”
Osama bin Laden, Nov 2001
‘moderate muslim’ is a kafir term: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=76B12F33-3165-47D1-80ED-C3F1ACD07D8A
jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=7758
The Purpose of Islam~, The “Why” and “How”
Since Muhammads formation and rally cry of the Muslims a human conquer and control system has evolved that is the most stubborn, trespassing, retrograde, stifling, and deception laden of all mankinds devised governments. This Muhammadan Islamic system has plagued all humankind with a constant Manifesto of War and hatred since its inception.
~Muhammad, Grand Muftis, Mullahs, and Imams always have claimed to have “special” knowledge; an ability given from their
rock god Allah that others do not possess.
~Leadership is always authoritarian in nature and has neither accountability nor vulnerability to Islams followers.
~Islam deliberately teaches, and deeply fosters, an “US-versus-THEM” mentality that sees all humans, outside of Islam, as spiritually inferior and humanly flawed.
~Islam demonstrates its “distinctiveness” in rigid Muhammadan rules of dress, conduct, thought, and enforces these with vicious zeal. The legalistic interpretation of many writings and utterances is used to thoroughly indoctrinate humans from early childhood onward and cut members off from the greater society at large. Breaking of these mandatory codes can result in death of ‘apostates’ and encourages murder of non-Muslims.
~Islam demands wholehearted allegiance and total submission to authority from followers and punishes failures to adhere with mental torment, physical abuse, and emotionally and physically damaging rebukes; final banishment is by murder.
~Muslims worth and value is defined by the degree of martyrdom obtained within Muhammads Islam. Dying fighting ‘non-believers’ is the pinnacle of status taught by the controllers and sought by true followers. Controllers rarely die martyrs but, rather, wealthy and comfortable by natural causes.
~Islams top-down authority, since Muhammad and his Allah invention, controls all thought, circumvents human conscience, individual achievement, and stifles human creativity and invention. Muhammadism dictates all activity, forces financial payment, makes the peaceful violent, and defines acceptable and unacceptable Islamic behavior according to one.
Islam was created to control others to satiate the desires of its founder Muhammad and his predesessors.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
just curious …do u know the meaning of dhimmi ?
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
Pl. leave this thread for those who really want to know , thanks.
this thread is to ask questions about Islam . If u want to bash Muslims , there are many threads in the forum & u are successfully doing ur job there .
Pl. leave this thread for those who really want to know , thanks.
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Silouan
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And what does Muhammad teach when people like R_Not makes you angry because of lies that she propagates about your religion? How are you suppose to handle your emotions with people like this? What does Muhammad teach about dealing with people like R_Not???
In Christ,
Silouan
In Christ,
Silouan
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
And the true servants of the Gracious God are those
who walk on the earth humbly and
when the ignorant address them,
they avoid them gracefully by saying,** `Peace !’**
(Quran 25:63)
God says in holy Quran :
And the true servants of the Gracious God are those
who walk on the earth humbly and
when the ignorant address them,
they avoid them gracefully by saying,** `Peace !’**
(Quran 25:63)
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inJESUS
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Silouan,
As an ex- Muslim, how do you define the Islamic teaching of Bible corruption?
As an ex- Muslim, how do you define the Islamic teaching of Bible corruption?
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AnAtheist
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I think I do, but does it matter?
Esp. for I am a kafir. Tell me, is it ok to shun, outlaw, persecute, deport or kill me, if I don’t want to become a member of the book people? Is it ok to deny me certain civil rights? (All in the name of peace of course.)
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R_not
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I have asked some questions and am expecting some answers. I will await your response. In the meantime, I am just letting people ‘know about islam’.
I will post a separate post about dhimmi.
Thank you for being so ‘muslim’, or should I say, ‘mohammedan’.
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R_not
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jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/why-dhimmi.htm
Here is the meaning of dhimmi and keep in mind that anyone not a Jew, Christian or Zorastrian is not even considered for dhimmitude - only death or conversion:
**IT IS LONG PAST time to bring the world’s attention to a global scandal.
Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected people,” are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur’an’s command that they “feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race.
If dhimmis complained about their inferior status, institutionalized humiliation, or poverty, their masters voided their contract and regarded them as enemies of Islam, fair game as objects of violence. Consequently, dhimmis were generally cowed into silence and worse. It was almost unheard-of to find dhimmis speaking out against their oppressors; to do so would have been suicide. For centuries dhimmi communities in the Islamic world learned to live in peace with their Muslim overlords by acquiescing to their subservience. Some even actively identified with the dominant class, and became strenuous advocates for it.
Spearheaded by dhimmi academics and self-serving advocacy groups, that same attitude of chastened subservience has entered into Western academic study of Islam, and from there into journalism, school textbooks, and the popular discourse. One must not point out the depredations of jihad and dhimmitude; to do so would offend the multiculturalist ethos that prevails everywhere today. To do so would endanger chances for peace and rapprochement between civilizations all too ready to clash.
But in this era of global terrorism it must be said: this silence, this distortion, has become deadly. Before 9/11 it was easy to ignore and whitewash dhimmitude, but the atrocities changed the situation forever. In jihads throughout history, untold millions have died. Tens of millions have been uprooted from their homes. Tens of millions have been stripped of their cultural identity. To continue to gloss over the destruction wrought by jihad ideology and its attendant evil of dhimmitude is today to play into the hands of jihadists, who have repeatedly vowed to dhimmify the West and destroy any recalcitrant elements. While jihadist groups, even with their global diffusion, are not strong enough to realize this goal by themselves, they have a potent and destructive ally, a genuine fifth column, in the dhimmi academics and dhimmi journalists they have recruited in the West. They have succeeded in confusing millions in the West into mistaking honesty and truthfulness for bigotry, and self-defense for oppression.
Before it’s too late for Western Europe and the United States, which gave birth to the traditions of freedom and equality of rights for all that shine today as lights in the entire world, this must be stopped. Therefore Dhimmi Watch seeks to bring public attention to:
The plight of the dhimmis, an immense but almost completely ignored ongoing scandal that continues in Muslim countries today;
The plight of women under Sharia provisions, similar to conditions imposed on dhimmis, in the denial of equal rights and dignity;
Slavery in Islamic lands, which continues today, justified by Sharia-‘s dhimmi codes;
The integral role of jihad and dhimmitude ideology in global terrorism today;
The license that academic and journalistic whitewashes of dhimmitude gives to radical jihadist enemies of human rights for all.
Dhimmi Watch fights to ensure that deeds done in the darkness for so long will not continue to be done. The light of world attention is anathema to the proponents of jihad and dhimmitude: we have seen in recent years that women sentenced to stoning for adultery, often victims of rape unjustly accused thanks to Sharia laws disallowing rape victims’ testimony, were freed following international outcry. Dhimmi Watch will seek to provoke similar, continuous and increasing outcry wherever and whenever the Sharia’s institutionalized injustices threaten dhimmis and women.
May the truth prevail.**
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