Ask about Islam

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

… I am a kafir. Tell me, is it ok to shun, outlaw, persecute, deport or kill me,

Allah forbids you not,

with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them:

for Allah loveth those who are just.

Allah only forbids you, with regard to those **who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, **
and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection).

It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

(Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8- 9)

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

… anyone not a Jew, Christian or Zorastrian is not even considered for dhimmitude - only death or conversion:]

"If one amongst the** pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him**,

so that he may hear the word of Allah;

and then **escort him to where he can be secure **that is because they are men without knowledge."

[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

May the truth prevail.

Amen Amen Amen

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

Allah forbids you not,

with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them:

for Allah loveth those who are just.

Allah only forbids you, with regard to those **who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, **
and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection).

It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

(Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8- 9)

But since the reverse has been more true than what you are trying to state - what are your teachings concerning muslims driving non-muslims out of their homes?

I don’t know of too many instances throughout history where the muslims were driven out, except maybe during the different Crusades. But, the Crusades were done with centuries ago - and muslims have driven out more non-muslims than what you are stating. And they are doing it to this very day around this globe.

In the USA, we don’t drive muslims out of their homes, but we have been warned there will be more muslim violence by homeland security. Why is that?! It seems that the muslims are taking the jihadists like bin Laden who tell muslims to do jihad on their own to heart. we have also been told that muslims here in the USA are sending their children to Pakistan to be trained in jihad/islam.

Here is a good article on what the USA muslim children are learning.

jihadwatch.org/archives/021749.php

 

[AnAtheist]

(Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8- 9)

That doesn’t really answer my question. So Allah does not forbid muslims to be kind to me, but it doesn’t really say what they should do. I fathom that we kafirs are not to be harmed as long we do not start the fighting, right?

Now sura 4:76 says: “Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil.”

Thus disbelievers more or less automatically do some fighting in the name of the devil just by not believing. Isn’t this a perfect excuse not to be kindly (that isn’t forbidden either, hm)?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

Prophet Muhammed (p) said :

“Whoever harms a non-Muslim (Dhimmi ) will not enter Paradise.”

(Reported by Muslim)

“He will not enter heaven whose neighbor is not safe from his
troubles.”

(Muslim 66)

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

Allah forbids you not,

with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them:

for Allah loveth those who are just.

Allah only forbids you, with regard to those **who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, **
and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection).

It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

(Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8- 9)

Oh, I figured it out. No matter how much violence is levied against the infidels - we infidels are never to retaliate, but to lay down and accept it because we are never to raise a hand against a muslim but to accept dhimmitude.

Let us take an example of only one area where muslim violence against the non-muslims is just outrageous - the Philippines. The non-muslim retaliation, or violence, against muslims is almost non-existant while over 100,000 non-muslims have been killed in bombings, kidnappings/killings, suicide bombers, etc. And now the muslims are demanding their own land within the Philippines. And from what I have seen from other areas where muslims have done this - it never has led to peace for the infidels. The violence continues.

Why is that?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

… So Allah does not forbid muslims to be kind to me, but it doesn’t really say what they should do.

they should be kind

Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Beware!

Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them in more than they can bear,
or takes anything from them against their free will;
I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment."

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

they should be kind

Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Beware!

Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them in more than they can bear,
or takes anything from them against their free will;
I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment."

Well, then since you found one obscure passage that says that muslims are NOT to do such things, then why do they do it anyway? Could it be that you are quoting from us an abrogated passage from the koran? And you do indeed know what abrogation means - it means replaced.

1 : to abolish by authoritative action : annul
2 : to treat as nonexistent

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace

Prophet Muhammed (p) said :

“Whoever harms a non-Muslim (Dhimmi ) will not enter Paradise.”

(Reported by Muslim)

“He will not enter heaven whose neighbor is not safe from his
troubles.”

(Muslim 66)

But what sane human being would want to be a dhimmi - unless they are fearful of their life and consider converting to islam abhorrent, or repugnant?

I already gave the definition of dhimmitude and if the UN weren’t run by muslims and communists - we would see more of an action against such a state for humans on this earth.

For those who missed the definition - it is at this website:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/why-dhimmi.htm

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Media love to relate religion with crime when even an alleged culprit is a Muslim. The same media don’t bash any religion or holy book or holy Prophet when the criminal is a non-Muslim.

Did u know ?

Did you know that The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam a **Hindu separatist group **in Sri Lanka “had carried out more suicide bombings than any other organization on the face of the earth.

According to the experts at Janes securities, between 1980 to 2000, LTTE had　carried out a total of 168 suicide attacks on civilians and military targets.

The number of suicide attacks easily exceeded the combined total of Hizbullah and Hamas suicide attacks carried out during the same period”

Many Americans are unaware of the fact that of all the religious groups, Muslim Americans have the lowest crime rate, and that prior to the first WTC attack, there was no violence directed against the western culture by its members.

A survey of 175 recorded incidents of terrorism in the US from January 1982 to January 1996 showed that of these: 77 were committed by Christian Puerto Rican nationalists, 31 were the work of Christian animal rights and Christian environmental groups, 23 were blamed on Christian left wing organizations, 18 were committed by what the FBI called “Jewish extremists” and 12 were by Christian anti-Castro Cubans.

The total number committed by Arabs or Muslims over a period of 14 years was 3 (three)

theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/claim_that_all_terrorists_are_muslims_ignores_history/

 

[inJESUS]

Muslim Woman, do you believe that Muslims have the right to humiliate non-Muslims in the name of Allah and Muhammad? what do you think of the humiliating treaty your khalif Umar put on Christians? what do you think about the wars of conquests to spread Islam?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

It’s holy Ramadan …I have to wake up at late night to eat & pray , so good night all . God Willing , see u tomorrow.

THE QURAN ON FASTING

"O you who believe!

**Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, **that you may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious).

2: 183

"Verily! We have sent it (this Quran) down in the night of Al-Qadr.

And what will make you know what the night of Al-Qadr is?

The night of Al-Qadr is better than a thousand months

Therein descend the angels and the Ruh (Gabriel) by Allah’s Permission with all Decrees,

Peace! until the appearance of dawn

(97:1-5)

 

[planten]

That doesn’t really answer my question. So Allah does not forbid muslims to be kind to me, but it doesn’t really say what they should do. I fathom that we kafirs are not to be harmed as long we do not start the fighting, right?

Now sura 4:76 says: “Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil.”

Thus disbelievers more or less automatically do some fighting in the name of the devil just by not believing. Isn’t this a perfect excuse not to be kindly (that isn’t forbidden either, hm)?

**AnAtheist sahib, the verses are plain and simple. “Those who believe dobattle for the cause of Allah.” That means they do not pick a fight. They do not trangress. Please understand the restriction implied in fighting in the way of Allah. So you are not going to be harmed. You need not fear from those who believe in Allah. They have been told not to start ant fight. What else could any one need?

“Those who disbelieve (Remember the word Kaafir is there) i.e those who are hostile and fanatic disbelievers, they fight in the way of the dare-devil (Al-Shiatan)…”

I hope you are not supporting those fanatic disbelievers. The meaning of the verse is quite clear. The believers are the Muslims. The disbelievers are the enemies of truth who are bent upon uprooting the religion. There were such people in the time of Moses a.s. and Jesus a.s. and Muhammad s.a.w.s. They are the Kaafir who are enemy of the religions.**

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

Media love to relate religion with crime when even an alleged culprit is a Muslim. The same media don’t bash any religion or holy book or holy Prophet when the criminal is a non-Muslim.

Did u know ?

Did you know that The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam a **Hindu separatist group **in Sri Lanka “had carried out more suicide bombings than any other organization on the face of the earth.

According to the experts at Janes securities, between 1980 to 2000, LTTE had　carried out a total of 168 suicide attacks on civilians and military targets.

The number of suicide attacks easily exceeded the combined total of Hizbullah and Hamas suicide attacks carried out during the same period”

Many Americans are unaware of the fact that of all the religious groups, Muslim Americans have the lowest crime rate, and that prior to the first WTC attack, there was no violence directed against the western culture by its members.

A survey of 175 recorded incidents of terrorism in the US from January 1982 to January 1996 showed that of these: 77 were committed by Christian Puerto Rican nationalists, 31 were the work of Christian animal rights and Christian environmental groups, 23 were blamed on Christian left wing organizations, 18 were committed by what the FBI called “Jewish extremists” and 12 were by Christian anti-Castro Cubans.

The total number committed by Arabs or Muslims over a period of 14 years was 3 (three)

theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/claim_that_all_terrorists_are_muslims_ignores_history/

considering the fact that the muslims have had 3 major jihads against India over the centuries that brought it ‘to its knees’ and they have renewed another jihad (4th) against them late last year - I don’t know if I blame them. And anyway - you really need to prove your assertions. Compare them with what the muslims are doing against their population - not only killing them, but kidnapping their children and enslaving them - or forcing them to convert to islam and marrying them off to muslim males.

I already proved my assertion - and I will do it again.

these websites talk about others children subjected to muslim violence, but also brings into the discussion what is being done in India:

jihadwatch.org/archives/021839.php
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019885.php
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016528.php
the list goes on of stories of the atrocities.

As for the number of incidences of muslim violence in the USA - we cannot be sure it was three since our media is not telling us that they are muslims on a jihad, nor are our police forces. All due to political correctness.

Well, here is violence against each other - shia/sunni (sort of ironic, but what they don’t seem to understand is that violent ways implode on themselves)
jihadwatch.org/archives/014765.php

Here police are told to ignore muslim wife beatings.
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008719.php

Here we are told that free speech takes a back seat to threats of muslims going to be violent if they exercise the 1st Amendment rights due to each American.
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/013405.php

Here is an article about us catching the mosques teaching violence:
insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/islamic_0.htm

You don’t hear about things such as the muslim male runnning over people in the Jewish area, or how about the black muslims in Oakland killing several people, or how about the muslim on a campus back east running over people, or the jihadists captured all around our USA BEFORE they killed anyone? Thank goodness our laws will capture the perps, give them a trial and put them in jail, if necessary. If the muslims get their way and establish sharia law - they wouldn’t even be considered criminals, but good muslims.

Anyway, you haven’t answered the question but are only deflecting the problem with pointing out someone else’s poor behavior that are taken care of by laws of that country.

Please prove muslims have the lowest crime rates. What I see and read are that many violent acts are not considered crimes and even with that fact, many statistics are not even kept in muslim countries. And since in the USA we are not to say who committed the crimes (meaning whether it is a Christian or a Jew, or a black or whomever) how can you say that you have low statistics?

 

[planten]

Muslim Woman, do you believe that Muslims have the right to humiliate non-Muslims in the name of Allah and Muhammad? what do you think of the humiliating treaty your khalif Umar put on Christians? what do you think about the wars of conquests to spread Islam?

**inJesus, you are uniformed. Umar asked the christians of Jerusalem what they wanted. They said they wanted safety for their churches, crosses. He said “Granted”. They wanted safety for their life and property. He said “granted”.

In that way the christians spelled out all their demands. Umar agreed to all of them because those were genuine demands. The christians could not believe it. A document was written and Umar signed it. The christians could not believe all that. So the christians demanded that six senior companions of the prophet should also sign the document (agreement).

Umar said that he could not tell any one to sign it. It is upto them to do it or not. At once six seniors signed the agreement.

So inJesus, you think this was a humilating agreement. I feel that you need to look into the history lessons. That document is available for examination even today in some important Euoropean Capital, Paris or London. Be reasonable inJesus, or have another try please.**

 

[R_not]

**AnAtheist sahib, the verses are plain and simple. “Those who believe dobattle for the cause of Allah.” That means they do not pick a fight. They do not trangress. Please understand the restriction implied in fighting in the way of Allah. So you are not going to be harmed. You need not fear from those who believe in Allah. They have been told not to start ant fight. What else could any one need?

“Those who disbelieve (Remember the word Kaafir is there) i.e those who are hostile and fanatic disbelievers, they fight in the way of the dare-devil (Al-Shiatan)…”

I hope you are not supporting those fanatic disbelievers. The meaning of the verse is quite clear. The believers are the Muslims. The disbelievers are the enemies of truth who are bent upon uprooting the religion. There were such people in the time of Moses a.s. and Jesus a.s. and Muhammad s.a.w.s. They are the Kaafir who are enemy of the religions.**

But this is exactly what the problem is - since non-muslims are considered kafir then all muslims are disbelievers in your ‘religion’.

you are putting on the attributes of ‘hostile and fanatic’ to disbelievers. Why should ANYONE believe in your ‘religon’? It doesn’t make sense to follow such a nasty guy such as mohammed.

Here a nun is killed, someone who wouldn’t hurt any muslims, over what the Pope said.

jihadwatch.org/archives/013199.php

And she is considered a kafur because she is not a muslim. She is not hostile nor a fanatic against islam. In fact, she would be the one most likely to help any muslim in need.

What I think the problem is that we don’t want such things as dhimmitude in our own lands and the continual bowing down to one religion vs others that muslims consider us ‘hostile and fanatic’ for just following the laws of our own lands. It is like other definitions that muslims and infidels have that are different - peace, peace treaty, aggressor, innocent, etc - are all different under islam.

 

[AnAtheist]

I hope you are not supporting those fanatic disbelievers. The meaning of the verse is quite clear. The believers are the Muslims. The disbelievers are the enemies of truth who are bent upon uprooting the religion. There were such people in the time of Moses a.s. and Jesus a.s. and Muhammad s.a.w.s. They are the Kaafir who are enemy of the religions.

Hm, so what are people and how is to be dealt with them, who just don’t give sh*t about your religion and beliefs and don’t want to follow it? People who insist on eating pork, ignore Ramadan, celebrate solstices, erect their own temples?

 

[planten]

Hm, so what are people and how is to be dealt with them, who just don’t give sh*t about your religion and beliefs and don’t want to follow it? People who insist on eating pork, ignore Ramadan, celebrate solstices, erect their own temples?

They can go to h*ll as far as we are concerned. We have nothing to do with them. They can eat pork and have plenty of sex and booze and gamble. We have nothing against them. Let them enjoy. They will be the real atheists.

 

[planten]

Such a person may not be believing in any religion, not believing in Moses or Jesus too. I do not know. But What he/she is doing is clear. No one should say anything to such people. They are the masters of their own destiny. i hope not that any christian will support such acts.

 

[R_not]

Such a person may not be believing in any religion, not believing in Moses or Jesus too. I do not know. But What he/she is doing is clear. No one should say anything to such people. They are the masters of their own destiny. i hope not that any christian will support such acts.

We don’t behave in that way. We are talking to you are we not? I am not the judge of others and what God does to them is up to God, not me. Another problem with islam is that muslims set themselves up as judge, jury and executioner (in some instances) - and their sharia law is ok with that.

This is why I don’t believe in allah and I find no correlation between the God of the Jews and Christians, and islam. I find that allah is based more on not only mohammed but of his pagan religion. But, even with that - it is mostly fashioned after mohammed and whatever he thought up and whatever was written down after his death.