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planten said:
They can go to h*ll as far as we are concerned. We have nothing to do with them. They can eat pork and have plenty of sex and booze and gamble. We have nothing against them. Let them enjoy. They will be the real atheists.
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What if you are forced to live with them? In a community or country?
 
Where there any witnesses when Muhammed saw the angel in the cave? If muhammed got his revelations from God then God must be lying because muhammed contradicted the Holy Bible inmany ways. Are hadith the words of muhammed? Are muslims required to follow the hadiths? How many abrogations the quran and hadiths made since it was written?
 
planten said:
**inJesus, you are uniformed. Umar asked the christians of Jerusalem what they wanted. They said they wanted safety for their churches, crosses. He said “Granted”. They wanted safety for their life and property. He said “granted”.
]**are you talking about this:

This is why the Leader of the faithful Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, THESE CONDITIONS THAT ENSURED THEIR CONTINUED HUMILIATION, DEGRADATION AND DISGRACE. The scholars of Hadith narrated from Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ashari that he said, "I recorded for Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham:

‘In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion.

We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims.

We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passerby.

Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days.

We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims.

We will not teach our children the Qur’an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so.

We will respect Muslims, MOVE FROM THE PLACES WE SIT IN IF THEY CHOOSE TO SIT IN THEM.

We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons.

We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor.

We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets.

We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets.

We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.’

When I gave this document to Umar, he added to it, We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion IN RETURN FOR SAFETY AND PROTECTION. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.’"

tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20986
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Is muhammed more believable than Jesus? How can you compare muhammed’s personality to Jesus? Can muhammed perform miracles? How did he proved his revelations is from God?
 
I would like to ask my Christian and Muslim brothers to post 10 best sentences or phrases that would make Jesus or Muhammed the greatest. Also, 10 most damning sentences or phrases that describe Jesus or muhammed.
 
rikkk1958 said:
I would like to ask my Christian and Muslim brothers to post 10 best sentences or phrases that would make Jesus or Muhammed the greatest. Also, 10 most damning sentences or phrases that describe Jesus or muhammed.
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This is more than just one sentence that covers mohammed wanting his followers to kill a poetess and he ok’d deception for his followers.

mohammed allowed assination to deal with opposition:
faithfreedom.org/challenge/assassin.htm

‘I am the prophet who laughs when he’s killing the enemy’
(04/19/2004) Omar Bakri Muhammad, Suspected Al Qaeda terrorist )

‘war is deception’

There are just too many bad things from mohammed that this article goes over quite a number of them.
prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

It does not go over all the battles and raids that mohammed led.

This website does go over them, it is not a complete list though. military expeditions led by the ‘prophet’

usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.369

I don’t find anything good about mohammed. Sorry, but even during his so called peaceful years I have found that he taunted and ridiculed others - unlike what the common word that he did - see ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’

Jesus:
He said, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.” (Matthew 22:37) He then added that the second most important law was “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” Jesus said that the entire law was dependent upon these two commandments.

Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone.

If you bring forth what is inside you, what you bring forth will save you. If you don’t bring forth what is inside you, what you don’t bring forth will destroy you.

“Blessed areYou when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.”

“Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you!”

“If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me. If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake and for the sake of the Good News, you will save it. And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when he returns in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” (Mark 8:34-38)

“My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36)

Then the high priest said to him, “I demand in the name of the living God—tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
Jesus replied, “You have said it. And in the future you will see the Son of Man seated in the place of power at God’s right hand and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:63-64)

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:16-17)

“So don’t worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today’s trouble is enough for today. (Matthew 6:34)
 
R_not said:
This is more than just one sentence that covers mohammed wanting his followers to kill a poetess and he ok’d deception for his followers.

mohammed allowed assination to deal with opposition:
faithfreedom.org/challenge/assassin.htm

‘I am the prophet who laughs when he’s killing the enemy’
(04/19/2004) Omar Bakri Muhammad, Suspected Al Qaeda terrorist )

‘war is deception’

There are just too many bad things from mohammed that this article goes over quite a number of them.

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url]http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

It does not go over all the battles and raids that mohammed led.

This website does go over them, it is not a complete list though. military expeditions led by the ‘prophet’

usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.369
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I don’t find anything good about mohammed. Sorry, but even during his so called peaceful years I have found that he taunted and ridiculed others - unlike what the common word that he did - see ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’

Jesus:
He said, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.” (Matthew 22:37) He then added that the second most important law was “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” Jesus said that the entire law was dependent upon these two commandments.

Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone.

If you bring forth what is inside you, what you bring forth will save you. If you don’t bring forth what is inside you, what you don’t bring forth will destroy you.

“Blessed areYou when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.”

“Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you!”

“If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me. If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake and for the sake of the Good News, you will save it. And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when he returns in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” (Mark 8:34-38)

“My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36)

Then the high priest said to him, “I demand in the name of the living God—tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
Jesus replied, “You have said it. And in the future you will see the Son of Man seated in the place of power at God’s right hand and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:63-64)

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:16-17)

“So don’t worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today’s trouble is enough for today. (Matthew 6:34)

Thank you R_not.
 
Thank you R_not. Let’s see how our muslims brothers and sisters respond.
 
R_not said:
I am looking this up now because I have not heard of it. I got this website with an article on this subject - do you have any others?

americastruthforum.com/index.html
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Islam and the Problem of Rationality

Unreliable source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occasionalism

Sorry I can’t find anything else online. It is mentioned in Thomas E. Woods, Jr’s How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization on page 79. You will find that the relatively few Islamic contributions to science occured in spite of Islam, not because of it. Islamic occasionalism is a view of causality that conflicts with the scientific method.
 
1holycatholic said:
Islam and the Problem of Rationality

Unreliable source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occasionalism

Sorry I can’t find anything else online. It is mentioned in Thomas E. Woods, Jr’s How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization on page 79. You will find that the relatively few Islamic contributions to science occured in spite of Islam, not because of it. Islamic occasionalism is a view of causality that conflicts with the scientific method.
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Thanks I appreciate this.

I have read some lengthly articles on science and islam. the contributions to the world were usually made shortly after the muslim conquests of a country by the subjugated ones. As time passes the areas usually stagnate because the schooling of the subjugated ones is stymied. And we have seen the schooling of muslim children consists of mostly the koran, if they even go to school.

I printed off these articles and read them on Bart and it took me awhile to read them.

believers vs unbelievers contributions: youtube.com/watch?v=PvgOnlGRsBI

This series I liked the best:
Fjordman: islam, the Greeks and the Scientific Revolution, Part 1
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018190.php
Part2
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018278.php
Part3
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018368.php
 
1holycatholic,

I especially liked the article called, The Pope and the Prophet that your website leads to. In the website it had a wrong web address so I went searching for it and there is a more recent webaddress that it is contained in:

insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=178&Itemid=48#vote

there are several notable things in this article and I recommend it to all.

here is a quote that struck me - it is on page 3 of the article:

**This conception of God directed man’s relationship to the Almighty in a specific way. A God who has no reasons cannot be known by reason. This view can and did lead to a rich vein of mysticism, most especially in the Sufism of al-Ghazali, but it also presents a problem. How should one behave toward an unreasoning God? Ibn Taymiyya (1263–1328), a medieval Muslim thinker who profoundly influenced the founder of Wahhabism and who has been resuscitated by the Islamists today, answered: Man’s task is not to know God. God is unknowable; do not even try to know God. Man’s job is not to love God. Man cannot love what he does not know. Man’s job is to obey. Submit. Reason plays no role, and free will is denigrated. In his attack on philosophy titled Kuzari, Judah ha-Levi, a Jewish follower of al-Ghazali, reached the logical conclusion as to how man ought to approach the revelations of such a deity: “I consider him to have attained the highest degree of perfection who is convinced of religious truths without having scrutinized them and reasoned over them.” (One wonders how one becomes “convinced” of something without having thought about it.) There could hardly be a more radical rejection of what Benedict calls “the reasonableness of faith.” **

and this is the Christian view of God, also on page 3:

Compare this relationship to the standard definition of a Christian vocation, which is expressed in this logical order: to know, to love, and to serve God. First, knowledge of God is required. How can one love what one does not know? Of course, it is assumed that a finite creature such as man can only comprehend a small part of an infinite God, but he can know enough to inspire love. God is knowable. If one knows God, then one loves Him because God is goodness. In turn, the impulse of that love is to serve. One is naturally drawn to serve what one loves. The expression of this vocation is internally coherent and logically ordered. It is based upon a certain view of who God is and how man is capable of freely responding to Him through the use of his reason and free will.
 
Here is one more quote from the original website that 1holycatholic gave to me:

**In an attempt to navigate between faith and rationality, Averroes argued that what may be true in the realm of religion may be contrary to what is true in nature. Thus, the Quranic maxim, “there is no compulsion in religion,” (Sura 2:256) can be entirely true from a religious sense; but in the real world and in the course of jihad, compulsion may not only be required, but entirely justifiable. The dual-truth theory was vigorously rejected by Aquinas, and eventually both Roman Catholic, and later, Protestant theology acknowledged both the authoritative nature and the necessary agreement between special revelation (Scripture) and general revelation (nature). **

This is why islam has no meaning for me. They do not deal in the real world, when they are practicing da’wa. What they tell us and what they do are two different things. But, for them this is ok, to most reasoning individuals - this is unacceptable, even deception.

Another quote from the article:
**Rather than focus on differences, the true dialogue between the Pope and Islam, and between secularized societies and Islamic ones, should emphasize our common, universal values: mutual respect of human rights, basic freedoms, rule of law and democracy.

The reality is that none of these values - human rights, basic freedoms, rule of law, or democracy - actually exists anywhere in the Muslim world (even in “secular” Turkey) to the degree that they are practiced in or are recognizable to the West, nor are they identifiable in the 1,400 years of Islamic history. (In subsequent essays I hope to show that Islamic theology itself negates these very concepts, making any rapprochement between Islam and Western values impossible without abandoning the most basic tenets of Islam itself.)

As Robert Reilly notes in his article, this acknowledgement of the intrinsic problems of Islamic theology and its incompatibility with Western values is not just a view exclusive to just infidels, but honest Muslim intellectuals as well. **

I am finding that there are few honest muslim intellectuals, or ones that will admit to being as such.

This is a very good article, I found. Thanks again 1holycatholic.
 
Salaam/peace;
rikkk1958 said:
I would like to ask my Christian and Muslim brothers to post 10 best sentences or phrases that would make Jesus or Muhammed the greatest. …
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The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers.

Each one believes in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers.

They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey.

(We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

Quran ; chapter 2 , verse 285

Say (O Muslims),

"We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ’il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac),

Ya’qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya’qûb (Jacob)],

and that which has been given to Mûsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus),

and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.

We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm)."

2:136

The Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has said:

Do not over praise me as the Christians over-praised the son of Mary.

I am His slave so say: ‘Allah’s slave and messenger’

[Al-Bukhaari and Muslim]
 
Salaam/peace;
beautiful304 said:
What are the jinn and what is their role?
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And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans, except they should worship Me (Alone).”

(Adh-Dhariyat: 56)

…And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust.

And whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.” (Al-Jinn: 14)

However, the word demon or shaytan is used to refer to the unbelieving ones among the jinn.

Allah Almighty says, “…and the devil was ever an ingrate to his Lord.‏” (Al-Isra’: 27)

a related link:

The World of Jinn and Its Secrets

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543990
 
Salaam/peace;
planten said:
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… Umar asked the christians of Jerusalem what they wanted. They said they wanted safety for their churches, crosses. He said “Granted”. .**
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The Peace and Justice Brought to Palestine by the Caliph Umar

—from the book ’ Islam Denounces Terrorism ’ by Harun Yahya

an example of Muslim’s tolerance to other faith

http://www.harunyahya.com/images_books/images_islamdenouncesterrorism/107.jpg

The Mosque of Omar (also called Dome of the Rock) and Al-Aqsa Mosque directly behind it.

Omar asked to see the Christian shrines and, while he was in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the time for Muslim prayer came round. Courteously the Patriarch invited him to pray where he was, but Omar as courteously refused.

If he knelt to pray in the church, he explained, the Muslims would want to commemorate the event by erecting a mosque there, and that would mean that they would have to demolish the Holy Sepulchre.

Instead Omar went to pray at a little distance from the church, and, sure enough, directly opposite the Holy Sepulchre there is still a small mosque dedicated to the Caliph Omar

…With the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem, the city became a safe haven in which all three religions could co-exist in peace. John L. Esposito writes:

When the Arab armies took Jerusalem in 638, they occupied a center whose shrines had made it a major pilgrimage site in Christendom. Churches and the Christian population were left unmolested.

Jews, long banned from living there by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace;

The Peace and Justice Brought to Palestine by the Caliph Umar

—from the book ’ Islam Denounces Terrorism ’ by Harun Yahya

an example of Muslim’s tolerance to other faith

http://www.harunyahya.com/images_books/images_islamdenouncesterrorism/107.jpg

The Mosque of Omar (also called Dome of the Rock) and Al-Aqsa Mosque directly behind it.

Omar asked to see the Christian shrines and, while he was in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the time for Muslim prayer came round. Courteously the Patriarch invited him to pray where he was, but Omar as courteously refused.

If he knelt to pray in the church, he explained, the Muslims would want to commemorate the event by erecting a mosque there, and that would mean that they would have to demolish the Holy Sepulchre.

Instead Omar went to pray at a little distance from the church, and, sure enough, directly opposite the Holy Sepulchre there is still a small mosque dedicated to the Caliph Omar

…With the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem, the city became a safe haven in which all three religions could co-exist in peace. John L. Esposito writes:

When the Arab armies took Jerusalem in 638, they occupied a center whose shrines had made it a major pilgrimage site in Christendom. Churches and the Christian population were left unmolested.

Jews, long banned from living there by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David
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Considering that not only are the Jewish and Christians NOT left unmolested throughout islam’s rise in the Middle East, the atrocities against them has even risen to greater heights in the last century.

We wouldn’t be witnessing this sort of aggression against the Jews if the muslims (yes, muslims since not only have known muslim charities in the USA, but also Canada and Europe were closed down - and I am sure that the money is still flowing but just not through anything the governments know about yet, also the support of muslims in saudi arabia, iran (Lebanese hezbollah from the North), etc.

jihadwatch.org/archives/022502.php

And we wouldn’t have seen the descrecation of the Church in Jerusalem by muslims who were cornered in there a few years ago.

Not one mosque has been torn down, or defiled, as muslims have done to Temples and Churches. And this destruction has sped up since 9/11.

You give us some junk that happened and the only reason why Jerusalem is in peace is because it is in Israel.

And that isn’t even the all of it - Hindu temples are still being destroyed.

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018674.php

Oh gee, no one took notice of muslims actually using the Bible as toilet paper. Not one muslim killed or no Christians and Jews rioted or killed old muslim clerics or imams over this! Not one.

We see that even ancient historical synagogues are destroyed.

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020688.php

I mean - you give us one example - we can give examples of the intolerance of muslims worldwide.

Especially since you are not mentioning that in sharia law - no church can be erected, repaired, and be higher than mosques. There are probably other restrictions - but the intolerance instances are so numerous that I get tired of typing them all.
 
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