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[AnAtheist]

If muhammed got his revelations from God then God must be lying because muhammed contradicted the Holy Bible inmany ways.

Frankly, this is a stupid argument. Muslims believe that Christians got God’s message wrong, Thus the bible is at least partially faulty. This is exactly what many Christians believe the other way round, muslims worship the same god but got his message a bit (or way) wrong.
If someone thought, the bible was totally correct, he’d be a Christian, wouldn’t he?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

…what does the Quran say about why He was condemned to crucifixion?

Jews in the past were arrogant . They denied to accept several Prophets of God Almighty & also killed them . They tried to do the same with another Prophet—Jesus (p) .

Where is the Quran’s proof of Jesus being the Messiah? (Besides simply saying He is the Messiah.)

It’s enough for Muslims that Quran described him as Massiah. We don’t need any other proof.

Why did The God spend so much time preparing for the Messiah just for Jesus’ time on earth to have been supposedly “misinterpreted” by all of His followers?

. What do u mean by " God spend so much time " preparing for the Massiah ??? Is there any such verse in Quran ?

Message of Jesus (p) was not misinterpreted by all his followers.

Muslims are the best example how they are correctly following Jesus (p) -----worshipping one true God only like Jesus (p) always did.

Why, if The God would not let one of His prophets suffer such a death as crucifixion, why did every other prophet from the past die?

Jesus (p) will die after his second coming.

Why was Jesus so important to be the only one raised to Heaven?

he is not in heaven —yet …will be on the last day.

God chosen him as a sign for the last day. So , God raised him up & will send him back in the earth before the last day.

He (‘Isa/Jesus ) is a Sign of the Hour.

Have no doubt about it.

But follow me. This is a straight path.

(Surat az-Zukhruf: 61)

Since Jesus is so important, why are His teachings not more important than Mohammad’s?

Muhammed (p) did not teach any new religion -------he completed the religion of God —Islam.

God says in his final book :

This day have I perfected your religion for you,
completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion

.(5:4)

 

[R_not]

Frankly, this is a stupid argument. Muslims believe that Christians got God’s message wrong, Thus the bible is at least partially faulty. This is exactly what many Christians believe the other way round, muslims worship the same god but got his message a bit (or way) wrong.
If someone thought, the bible was totally correct, he’d be a Christian, wouldn’t he?

You almost got it correct - but many Christians do not believe they worship the same God - many of us believe they worship a mishmash of mohammed’s own self, his old pagan moon god. mohammed only threw in the Bible stuff to try to sway the people of his time to convert to his ‘religion’ and they wisely didn’t go for it. They were only converted after that by force.

That is not accepting that allah is God. But, time and political correctness, and a chosen ignorance of islam, has said that many believe that a allah is equal to God.

 

[Angelos]

Jews in the past were arrogant . They denied to accept several Prophets of God Almighty & also killed them . They tried to do the same with another Prophet—Jesus (p) .

Why does your Koran teach that Jesus is the only messenger supposedly saved by Allah from death in His enemies’ hands? What is so significant about Him? Why could not Allah find another way of saving Jesus from the cross?

It’s enough for Muslims that Quran described him as Massiah. We don’t need any other proof.

Whatever is written about Issa in the Koran is both incomplete and vague. The authors of the Koran applied the term Messiah (al-Masih) to Jesus alone without knowing what it denoted or connoted.

.Message of Jesus (p) was not misinterpreted by all his followers.

Muslims are the best example how they are correctly following Jesus (p) -----worshipping one true God only like Jesus (p) always did.

This is really funny. Do you believe that an illiterate pagan of the desert understood Jesus’ message better than His apostles, disciples, and the Church established by Christ Himself?

Muslims do not even respect Jesus, but insult and degrade Him by claiming that He was an inept messenger that failed to firmly establish God’s religion on earth.

Jesus (p) will die after his second coming.

Could you please cite the Koran verse that teaches this doctrine or at least supports your view?

he is not in heaven —yet …will be on the last day.

This inevitably leads us to the conclusion that the authors of the Koran made a mistake when they wrote “Allah took Issa up to Himself” (Surah 4:158).

This weird supposition of yours also contradicts your previous quote. You said, " Jesus will die after His second coming". Where is He now if not in heaven? How could He be alive if still on our planet? LOL

God chosen him as a sign for the last day. So , God raised him up & will send him back in the earth before the last day.

The Koran also says both Mary and Her son are signs for the mankind (Surah 23:50). Does this mean Mary did not die, but was taken into Allah’s presence along with Her son???

I also wonder why God chose Jesus as a sign for the last day and where this doctrine is stated in the Koran?

He (‘Isa/Jesus ) is a Sign of the Hour.

Have no doubt about it.

But follow me. This is a straight path.

(Surat az-Zukhruf: 61)

The quoted verse does not have the name Issa in the original language, being evidence for the textual corruption of the Islamic text by Muslims. More to the point, the context of that verse shows that the referent is impossible to be Jesus. This is why some Koran versions translate the same verse in the following way:

“And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.” (Surah 43:61 Pickthall).

Muhammed (p) did not teach any new religion -------he completed the religion of God —Islam.

God says in his final book :

This day have I perfected your religion for you,
completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion

.(5:4)

According to the Bible, Mohammad founded a new false religion. If he had really completed the religion of Allah, he would not have contradicted the basic tenets of Judaism and Christianity. Mohammad tried to delete and pervert what the former scriptures taught.

 

[Silouan]

I would like to ask my Christian and Muslim brothers to post 10 best sentences or phrases that would make Jesus or Muhammed the greatest. Also, 10 most damning sentences or phrases that describe Jesus or muhammed.

This isn’t a fair request for the Muslims because they honor and respect Jesus, where some Christians do not honor nor respect Muhammad. So while it will be easy for a Christian to point out damning sentences and phrases for Muhammad, it will be difficult for a Muslim to point out damning sentences and phrases of Jesus.

It would be better for a Christian to ask a Jew to point out damning sentences and phrases of Jesus.

Muhammad is to the Christians as Jesus is to the Jews.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[planten]

This isn’t a fair request for the Muslims because they honor and respect Jesus, where some Christians do not honor nor respect Muhammad. So while it will be easy for a Christian to point out damning sentences and phrases for Muhammad, it will be difficult for a Muslim to point out damning sentences and phrases of Jesus.

It would be better for a Christian to ask a Jew to point out damning sentences and phrases of Jesus.

Muhammad is to the Christians as Jesus is to the Jews.

In Christ,

Silouan

Very correct. But still there is no harm posting some good things from the bible in respect of Jesus. M W has posted the good things for Muhammad from the Quran… There is no need to post anything bad any one of them.

 

[planten]

**Angelos, have a heart. Youa re calling Muhammad a pagan. Shame on you, while you yourself worship a weak and humble man Jesus, and have some idols in your churches. See what you wrote:

This is really funny. Do you believe that an illiterate pagan of the desert

**understood Jesus’ message better than His apostles, disciples, and the Church established by Christ Himself?

Muslims do not even respect Jesus, but insult and degrade Him by claiming that He was an inept messenger that failed to firmly establish God’s religion on earth.

And you are accusing the muslims of abusing Jesus. That is another lie. You are wasting your time on the net and your reliability / credibility is going down fast.

 

[Malgosia]

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With the name of ALLAH ( God Almighty)
-The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful

may peace & blessings of God be upon you

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Do you have any question about Islam , Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him ) or holy Quran ?

Pl. ask without using any nasty words .

InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , Muslims participants will try to answer

Why would anyone want to ask questions about Islam on this forum???

This is a Catholic forum, not a muslim one:shrug:

Catholics do not need to “better” themselves by asking questions about Islam. We already have the fullness of the truth.

 

[R_not]

Why would anyone want to ask questions about Islam on this forum???

This is a Catholic forum, not a muslim one:shrug:

Catholics do not need to “better” themselves by asking questions about Islam. We already have the fullness of the truth.

What the muslims do is da’wa - the call to islam. They do it all the time.

 

[planten]

Why would anyone want to ask questions about Islam on this forum???

This is a Catholic forum, not a muslim one:shrug:

Catholics do not need to “better” themselves by asking questions about Islam. We already have the fullness of the truth.

**That was an invitation from Muslim Woman in earnest. It could be useful for the Catholics to learn a lesson about other faiths before launching their compaign of preaching.

If Catholics are full up and not ready to learn anything about islam, then they may be fed up with all other faiths too, that is the JW and Protestants and Jews and Hindus.

IN such a state of avoidance, it will be illegal / indecent for the Catholics to do any preaching to any non-catholics.**

 

[R_not]

**Angelos, have a heart. Youa re calling Muhammad a pagan. Shame on you, while you yourself worship a weak and humble man Jesus, and have some idols in your churches. See what you wrote:

And you are accusing the muslims of abusing Jesus. That is another lie. You are wasting your time on the net and your reliability / credibility is going down fast.**

mohammed was a pagan. He was a Hanif - and that is what allah was - the moon god of the Hanifs. And he was illiterate. This is such a commonly known truth that it is surprising that muslims don’t even know. This is why he messed up the Bible stories so badly - he only heard them and didn’t read them.

And what is all this ‘we honor Jesus’ stuff when you now call him ‘weak’? And once, again - the idols. there were so many posts on different threads on so called idols and I knew you wouldn’t read the posts, listen, or tolerate. gee, go figure! Another post on the same, old stuff.

I find abuse of Jesus when muslims not only kill, but support the killing, of Jesus’ own people - the Jews, About 1/3 of the koran is full of hateful surahs of the Jews.

Not only is allah fashioned after mohammed’s pagan god, allah - but the muslims follow the rites of mohammed’s pagan religion. But, allah is even more than just the god of the Hanifs - it is also fashioned after mohammed himself. A good book to read on this subject is from an ex-muslim who knows the haditha and koran and wrote a book about this - ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’. A very interesting reading.

If you want to read something on a website about it then you can go to faithfreedom.org and in the Articles there are some articles about all of this too.

 

[Irene72]

How do you / we supposed to know Muhammad was telling the truth? I asked this before and was told because the “quran” was his miracle. If that were the case Stephen King has many miracle’s on his hand!
My point being ; how does one know Muhammad was telling the truth and didnt make it up?
Like the many Soothsayers of his time.

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With the name of ALLAH ( God Almighty)
-The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful

may peace & blessings of God be upon you

&&&&

Do you have any question about Islam , Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him ) or holy Quran ?

Pl. ask without using any nasty words .

InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , Muslims participants will try to answer

 

[R_not]

How do you / we supposed to know Muhammad was telling the truth? I asked this before and was told because the “quran” was his miracle. If that were the case Stephen King has many miracle’s on his hand!
My point being ; how does one know Muhammad was telling the truth and didnt make it up?
Like the many Soothsayers of his time.

dig for yourself.

the muslims are unable to come up with anything else because they don’t even know themselves. They are told things and do not question further. This is why the things such as the explanation of idols, The Trinity, or Mary, etc are repeated so often and not one of them accepts the explanations even though all the people say the same things in their posts time and again. Their koran, their imams or clerics (whatever you call them), tell them what they are supposed to know and that is that. End of story. period.

 

[Angelos]

Angelos, have a heart. Youa re calling Muhammad a pagan. Shame on you, while you yourself worship a weak and humble man Jesus, and have some idols in your churches. See what you wrote:

Dear planten, your very scripture testifies to the fact that your messenger was a pagan:

Surah 42:52
Thou knewest not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith.

Surah 93:7
Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?

I am only reiterating a fact that is well known by many Muslims (apparently not by you).

Please have a heart and stop slandering me.

And you are accusing the muslims of abusing Jesus. That is another lie. You are wasting your time on the net and your reliability / credibility is going down fast.

Well, the truth is always bitter.

You Muslims believe that Mohammad was the only messenger that could establish the so-called only religion of Allah on earth. All the other messengers, according to you, failed to accomplish their mission, their message received from God being lost/modified. How can you deny that you degrade the former prophets whilst you say Mohammad came to correct the alleged mistakes related to the failure of the other messengers of old?

 

[chrisb]

Grace and Peace Muslim Woman,

Personally, I’d like to ask a question concerning Muslim prayers…

What is one of the daily prayers that Muslims pray that wouldn’t be problematic among Christians? As I understand it Muslim men can marry a Christian wife and she needn’t convert to Islam. What prayers can and are said ‘as a family’ in a mixed Muslim/Christian home? How much of the Christian faith is allowed to be practiced in the home by the Christian wife?

Thank you and wa’saleem.

 

[AnAtheist]

You almost got it correct - but many Christians do not believe they worship the same God - many of us believe they worship a mishmash of mohammed’s own self, his old pagan moon god. mohammed only threw in the Bible stuff to try to sway the people of his time to convert to his ‘religion’ and they wisely didn’t go for it. They were only converted after that by force.

That is not accepting that allah is God. But, time and political correctness, and a chosen ignorance of islam, has said that many believe that a allah is equal to God.

Actually I agree. Islam’s image of that god is so different from the Christian one it is justify to call Allah a different god.
But the way to argue is exactly the same when comes to citing one’s own holy book.

 

[AnAtheist]

**Angelos, have a heart. You are calling Muhammad a pagan. Shame on you, **

Yes, Angelos, shame on you. He doesn’t deserve that compliment.

 

[R_not]

Actually I agree. Islam’s image of that god is so different from the Christian one it is justify to call Allah a different god.
But the way to argue is exactly the same when comes to citing one’s own holy book.

You should go to the ‘Learn the ahadith to better understand Islam’ thread. I am having fun over there.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=263492

The koran and hadiths are so full of entries about jihad (that violent kind), deception, why muslims don’t question their own ‘religion’, etc.

I find it ironic that they don’t think that their own stuff wouldn’t be used to show what islam is all about?! I think the only one who had a brain in islam was mohammed and he tried his darndest to make sure no one else used theirs!

 

[LutheranDK]

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With the name of ALLAH ( God Almighty)
-The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful

may peace & blessings of God be upon you

&&&&

Do you have any question about Islam , Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him ) or holy Quran ?

Pl. ask without using any nasty words .

InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , Muslims participants will try to answer

One question that comes to mind:

How do Moslems reconcile the…shall we call them “difficulties” in the Koran?

Some examples:

Surah 5:116
“And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.”

Appearently, this text say that Christians believe that Jesus and Mary are two gods beside Allah, and that the Trinity therefore is three gods: Jesus, Mary, and God.
This is blatantly false. No Christian has ever claimed this.
Understandable, if the Koran is the word of an illiterate merchant with very, very little knowledge of Christianity, but very hard to explain if it is the Word of God.

A second example:

Surah 9:30
“And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

Jews have NEVER claimed that Ezra is the son of God.

Those were some passages which I have difficulties describing as anything else than flaws.
Here’s a few that I find self-contradictory:

Surah 5:69:
“Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.”

Sounds good.
But this seems to be contradicted only a few verses later:

Surah 5:72.73:
“Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.”

Here, the one, single doctrine which unites all of Christendom is renounced as not only heresy, but anyone who is a Christian is automatically excluded from Paradise.

Now, I’m not complaining that this is “unfair”, or something. Not at all. My “complaint” (wrong term…) is that verses 72-73 seems to contradict verse 69.

I have asked this question to a lot of Moslems, even an imam, and never gotten a satisfactory answer. Hoping to get one now

 

[LutheranDK]

mohammed was a pagan. He was a Hanif - and that is what allah was - the moon god of the Hanifs.

Not entirely accurate.
“Allah” was worshipped as the “King of the Gods” - the supreme God, albeit not the only God. Similar to Odin in Norse mythology. Therefore: “Allah” was not just some random moon-god.

Not that this makes islam any more right, though…