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[R_not]

Not entirely accurate.
“Allah” was worshipped as the “King of the Gods” - the supreme God, albeit not the only God. Similar to Odin in Norse mythology. Therefore: “Allah” was not just some random moon-god.

Not that this makes islam any more right, though…

yeah, you stated it more accurately than I did. I oversimplified it. The muslims on these boards (and elsewhere) usually don’t accept what we know anyway. Of course, they won’t dig any further for the truth - but they will just reject this and/or ignore it.

allah, of islam, was much different than the Hanif god (of which we know that it was indeed of that religion since mohammed’s father was called ‘Abdallah’). mohammed inserted himself into allah - his hates, his paranoia, his warlike self, his sexual self, and his greedy self, etc. The more I read of islam the more I am convinced of this.

We are on a different thread about the hadiths. I posted quite a bit of them and what mohammed did was to package allah as he need it to be to suit his needs. An example of him packaging allah was in mohammed lusting after his adopted son’s wife.

He thought to send his son to do a terrorist raid so he could excitedly lust after his son’s wife. His son gave her to him, and he said that allah married her to him.

This website has it in story form, you can look up the hadiths and suras yourself from there.
prophetofdoom.net/pdf/Prophet_of_Doom_18_Lustful_Libertine.pdf

there are more examples, this is only one in a plethora of example after example to show that allah was mohammed’s alter ego.

 

[planten]

mohammed was a pagan. He was a Hanif - and that is what allah was - the moon god of the Hanifs. And he was illiterate. This is such a commonly known truth that it is surprising that muslims don’t even know. This is why he messed up the Bible stories so badly - he only heard them and didn’t read them.

And what is all this ‘we honor Jesus’ stuff when you now call him ‘weak’? And once, again - the idols. there were so many posts on different threads on so called idols and I knew you wouldn’t read the posts, listen, or tolerate. gee, go figure! Another post on the same, old stuff.

I find abuse of Jesus when muslims not only kill, but support the killing, of Jesus’ own people - the Jews, About 1/3 of the koran is full of hateful surahs of the Jews.

Not only is allah fashioned after mohammed’s pagan god, allah - but the muslims follow the rites of mohammed’s pagan religion. But, allah is even more than just the god of the Hanifs - it is also fashioned after mohammed himself. A good book to read on this subject is from an ex-muslim who knows the haditha and koran and wrote a book about this - ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’. A very interesting reading.

If you want to read something on a website about it then you can go to faithfreedom.org and in the Articles there are some articles about all of this too.

Please look after your sun God and moon god on your Sun days and Mon days. Your people joined hands with the pagans long before Muhammad arrived. Your people took poor Jesus to the land of the pagans, that is the greeks and the Romans. Thereby you have killed your faith entirely and now you people are only using the name of Jesus. that is doing lip service to Jesus.

 

[Malgosia]

That was an invitation from Muslim Woman in earnest. It could be useful for the Catholics to learn a lesson about other faiths before launching their compaign of preaching.

If Catholics are full up and not ready to learn anything about islam, then they may be fed up with all other faiths too, that is the JW and Protestants and Jews and Hindus.

IN such a state of avoidance, it will be illegal / indecent for the Catholics to do any preaching to any non-catholics.

If you call being married to a Muslim for the past 20 years “state of avoidance”, you must be joking

I have been not only learning about Islam, I have been dealing with all the “truths” of it for a long time.

Marry a Christian (since you are a Muslim), have 3 kids, be tolerant and loving, patient and kind, when you are not being shown the same consideration, and then we can be on a level playing field.

I have studied other faiths too.

I can assure you that the only faith I am “fed up with”, as you call it, is Islam.

It’s tough not to be, when your alleged prophet claims that he was taken up to hell, and he saw there that the majority of people in hell are women.

 

[R_not]

Please look after your sun God and moon god on your Sun days and Mon days. Your people joined hands with the pagans long before Muhammad arrived. Your people took poor Jesus to the land of the pagans, that is the greeks and the Romans. Thereby you have killed your faith entirely and now you people are only using the name of Jesus. that is doing lip service to Jesus.

You are now comparing the names we call the days of the week to the Jewish and Christian God?

Sorry, but the logic is escaping me. I guess we could call them ‘oneday, twoday, threeday, etc’, but how boring.

If you are not allowed, or will not, look at your own ‘religion’, how can you speak with any authority on ours? You get our religion out of the koran - and those stories are not even correct. Oh, I know what mohammed said that it was us who distorted the Bible - but how can you believe that when mohammed couldn’t even read to know if he had the stories correct to begin with?

A very long time ago the missionaries of those times, or apostles, or followers of Jesus - whatever you want to call them - did indeed take the Word of God to the Greeks, the Romans, etc. And I don’t find anything wrong with that either.

So, I bite - why do you think it is such a bad thing?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Grace and Peace Muslim Woman,

peace & blessings of God be upon u

What is one of the daily prayers that Muslims pray that wouldn’t be problematic among Christians? .

Muslims worship one God & praise the God in prayers. So , there is nothing that can be problametic for any believer.

Muslims bow , kneel & make the prostration during prayer/ worhip like the other Prophets including Jesus (p) did in the past.

What prayers can and are said ‘as a family’ in a mixed Muslim/Christian home?

A Christian wife need not offer Muslims Salat/ obligatory prayers.

If u are talking about dua/ supplication , then ummmm any prayer that is offering to God but not to any human being or angel should be ok . InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , i will try to find more info about it.

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How much of the Christian faith is allowed to be practiced in the home by the Christian wife?

A Christian wife can go to her Church . Not sure about keeping statue at home & bowing down in front of it .

A very imp point is : Condition of interfaith marriage is kids must be raised as Muslims .

Thanks for asking . Sorry for not providing u enough info

 

[dolphinlove]

Please look after your sun God and moon god on your Sun days and Mon days. Your people joined hands with the pagans long before Muhammad arrived. Your people took poor Jesus to the land of the pagans, that is the greeks and the Romans. Thereby you have killed your faith entirely and now you people are only using the name of Jesus. that is doing lip service to Jesus.

Muhammad called Jesus a mere ‘prophet’, now who is insulting Jesus?
Your false prophet was in the bible, if you type in google ‘warning about false prophets in the bible’ you will see many references to false prophets and their teachings, Muhammad falls under this catagory.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Why would anyone want to ask questions about Islam on this forum???

This is a Catholic forum, not a muslim one:shrug:

This section is for non-Catholics , is not it ?

Some Christians in this forum are bashing Islam in a nasty way. Surely this is not giving Chirstianity a very good name .

I hope , admin should allow this thread so that Catholics & other Christians can know what we have to say.

In an Islamic forum ( from where I came here ) , Christians & people of other faith are getting this chance .

Muslims are not allowed to debate with Christians …all we have to do is just ask .

Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians. - 06-06-2006

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This thread is to be strictly Q&A no validation is being asked why something is believed.

It is simply an oppotunity for members of The Christian faith to state what they believe, with no need to explain why.

Anyone with questions about Christianity please ask them here.

Christians if you feel capable please answer such questions here.

If anyone feels that any question or answer needs to be debated, please start a new thread regarding that. Let us try to keep this thread open for honest Questions and honest answers, with no need to explain.

islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/41210-questions-about-christians-requesting-answers-christians.html

Here I only requested not to use nasty words , is it too much ???

 

[Malgosia]

A very imp point is : Condition of interfaith marriage is kids must be raised as Muslims .

Very important point, I am married to Muslim, but our 3 kids are CATHOLIC.

It’s funny, same thing with Catholic marrying a person of some other faith: kids must be raised Catholic. Or Catholic cannot remain a Catholic.

Our 17 year old daughter just finished a novenna “Two Divine Promises”. She has obtained a salvation for her Muslim dad through the grace of God Almighty and through His incredible mercy.

I myself have to be 3 times as Catholic as an average Catholic person to refute the Muslim claims of my husband.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Very important point, I am married to Muslim, but our 3 kids are CATHOLIC.

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Did u know about that condition when u married ? If yes , then u broke ur promise ; If u did not know , then ur husband made a serious mistake .

If a Jewish or Christian lady refused to accept the condition that in future kids won’t be raised as Muslims , then a Muslim man must not marry her if he fears God.

 

[dolphinlove]

Salaam/peace;

Did u know about that condition when u married ? If yes , then u broke ur promise ; If u did not know , then ur husband made a serious mistake .

If a Jewish or Christian lady refused to accept the condition that in future kids won’t be raised as Muslims , then a Muslim man must not marry her if he fears God.

Did you not read the part that it is also our Catholic duty to raise our kids Catholic!!!
If, and i do mean a big fat IF, i married a muslim, there is no way my kids would be muslim, they will believe in the divinity of Jesus and believe in the church he created.

 

[dolphinlove]

We would be breaking a promise to God if we didnt raise our kids catholic

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

We would be breaking a promise to God if we didnt raise our kids catholic

then do not marry a Muslim , solution is very easy. To marry a Muslim man , why u should lie or make a promise that u can’t keep ?

anyway , this discussion ( why Christian women lie to thier would be Muslim husbands ) will be off topic here .

 

[dolphinlove]

Salaam/peace;

then do not marry a Muslim , solution is very easy. To marry a Muslim man , why u should lie or make a promise that u can’t keep ?

anyway , this discussion ( why Christian women lie to thier would be Muslim husbands ) will be off topic here .

I wouldnt marry a Muslim anyway, he would have to become Catholic
Who says i am lying? What would i be lying about?? lol
If anything, its Islam that allows lying isnt it?
A just question about islam…

 

[LutheranDK]

Muslim_Woman:
BTW Muslim Woman - did you see my questions on the previous page?

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

Some Christians in this forum are bashing Islam in a nasty way. Surely this is not giving Chirstianity a very good name .

I hope , admin should allow this thread so that Catholics & other Christians can know what we have to say.

In an Islamic forum ( from where I came here ) , Christians & people of other faith are getting this chance .

Muslims are not allowed to debate with Christians …all we have to do is just ask .

Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians. - 06-06-2006

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This thread is to be strictly Q&A no validation is being asked why something is believed.

It is simply an oppotunity for members of The Christian faith to state what they believe, with no need to explain why.

Anyone with questions about Christianity please ask them here.

Christians if you feel capable please answer such questions here.

If anyone feels that any question or answer needs to be debated, please start a new thread regarding that. Let us try to keep this thread open for honest Questions and honest answers, with no need to explain.

islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/41210-questions-about-christians-requesting-answers-christians.html

Here I only requested not to use nasty words , is it too much ???

Ok, no problem - I have a few questions.

1. Why do muslims keep insisting that islam is a religion of peace when not only the hadiths, but the koran and the actions and words of muslims worldwide not not indicate it to be as such? The worst human rights are in muslim countries, the worst intolerance towards others, slavery still persists, churches and temples and other places of worship for others are being destroyed in record numbers.
2. Why do muslims bring sharia laws to lands that the newly immigrate to when they are so inferior and abuse others?
3. Why do muslims follow a guy who has done such atrocious things in his life, has said atrocious things and told his followers to do these things, such as doing jihad with the violent kind being the most holy, enslaving women and children, etc?
4. Why do muslims insist on writing to us the abrogated verses in the koran?
5. Why are muslims in denial about all of this?

Until these questions are answered there will always be problems. How can one understand why anyone can do and follow all of this when it is the way it is?

 

[R_not]

You say that muslims want open discussions with us, when in fact muslims are trying to stop any discussion of islam.

jihadwatch.org/archives/022509.php

When the Pope tries to talk about religious tolerance, what do we hear about? fatwas are issued against him by muslims which only prove the point of the intolerance, but why is it that there is no reasoning in islam? When a muslim in saudi arabia says maybe it is ok to have religious tolerance - he is beheaded. I know that is not your fault, but why is it that muslims are not able to tolerate? As I see the intolerance exhibited in all these threads by muslims - who just get angry when I show them their own koran and hadiths that say all of the stuff I am talking about?

Islam and the Problem americanthinker.com/2006/12/islam_and_the_problem_of_ratio.html

Pope and Prophet article: insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=178&Itemid=48

 

[R_not]

And here is the reason why this is so appropriate for muslims - for us to ask like children and for them to answer - because that is how they are trained. They are not able to discuss their ‘religion’ and figure out that there is a dualality to islam which is why muslims are so comfortable saying their religion is a religion of peace, quoting surahs that were replaced (abrogated), and while in reality it is quite the opposite. It is logical for them. It is why they get upset at us when we figure out what it really is.

So, I don’t expect any answers to my questions, but it would be nice to hear it from them why this phenomenon exists in islam. Why they can follow such a guy as mohammed - who is not a very nice guy - of which his own words and deeds prove this out.

 

[dzheremi]

Muslim Woman,

If you have time, I would really appreciate an answer to this post I made three days ago. Thank you.

I am not actually asking about the substance of the verse in the Quran where the trinity of God the Father, Jesus, and Mary is mentioned (it does not bother me if the word “trinity” is not used, as you say; that word is also not used in the Bible). I only used that as an example to illustrate the point I was trying to ask you about: If the Quran is meant to be the final revelation, divine correction of all the falsified books and doctrines that came before it, why does the Quran itself then not accurately portray the doctrines it corrects? It is a big problem for me to understand how a book from God like the Quran is claimed to be can be wrong about this issue (or any issue, but to me this is a very big problem to be dealt with before many others). It really makes very little sense to me.

God surely knows all about his creation, including the human beings who worship Him in many different ways. In the Old Testament, when the people were worshipping idols, He sent down a commandment forbidding the worship of idols. He did not send down a commandment forbidding, say, fishing or the baking of bread, because those were not the sins of the people. Do you understand what I am trying to say? God would not make such a mistake because God does not make ANY mistake, ever, about anything. On that basis, it is hard to swallow the idea of a “corrective” book, especially since Muslims, as you affirm, take the Bible to have at least contained the truth at one time, and now retaining at least some of its former truth.

So I see a dilemma here I would like you to really think about very carefully: In the Bible, the Lord says His Word is eternal. You affirm that the Bible contains at least SOME truth. Is the Lord’s proclamation about the eternal nature of His Word one of those retained truths? If it is, then all of the Quran’s supposed “corrective” power is moot, since the Word does not need correction of any kind. If it is not, then you are saying that the Lord’s Word is NOT eternal, in which case: What is the Quran?

I think you and I, even though we are from different faiths, will agree that God’s Word is indeed eternal. The Quran is claimed to be the word of God, and you would probably also agree that it is eternal in its message (since you still follow it now, many centuries after it was written down). So I do not see how you can agree with Quranic claims that require you to violate your own beliefs.

 

[Angelos]

Yes, Angelos, shame on you. He doesn’t deserve that compliment.

 

[morning_star777]

Please look after your sun God and moon god on your Sun days and Mon days. Your people joined hands with the pagans long before Muhammad arrived. Your people took poor Jesus to the land of the pagans, that is the greeks and the Romans. Thereby you have killed your faith entirely and now you people are only using the name of Jesus. that is doing lip service to Jesus.

muslims also have sun day and monday etc.Well if muhammad was not a pagan then what was his religion before islam?was he a pre islamic muslim?(muslims claim that before muhammad,christians were muslim an before Jesus Jewish were also muslim).planten,if muhammad was not pagan then was he a christian?Btw,be carefull,from 570 to 610 christians believed trinity like past and present days.so if christians before 610 A.D. were muslim then islam based on prophets,because that time also jewish people did not believe in trinity.so if islam is God’s religion and if trinity is not monotheism then that time jewish were muslim according to islamic monotheism not christians.But If prophets are greater than allah then christians were muslim,because before and also after muhammed they are the worshiper of Jesus(according to islam Jesus is prophet isa).so was muhmmad a jewish or christian?