Ask about Islam

[Americanrevert]

**Hello Deborahaz,

maybe this has been discussed, but can you explain if there is a messiah in islam that will return to earth or prophecy of the end of the world.

i thought i had read one time that ahmadinejad thought that the messiah might be coming soon and he would come with jesus. is that true?

Yes, in Islam we believe that Jesus (Isa on him peace/alayhi wa salaam) is coming back and he will fulfil his duty as a follower of God and His Message.

Actually, I never heard of that lol but in Islam, we have distinct signs that depict these events. (2nd coming and its details). There are minor signs and major signs. Many of them and many of the minor ones have already taken place and are taking place…major ones are the “biggies” like sun risin in its opposite direction etc.

It is stated in sahih ahadith that Jesus will descend in and around Damascus (Syria)…there will be a war and he will also fight as well as Muslims against the Jews etc. He will perform certain duties like break the crosses, kill the pigs, and abolish the jizya tax. He will reign on earth for some time and there will be peace on earth…believers will perish and all the bad will be left then signs of the hour will approach etc…then everyone will parish (horn blowin is involved etc.) and be raised up for judgment…(this is just a short post ok? lol~more stuff are detailed) People will be naked and uncircumcised and the day is described to be chaotic…unimaginable…a day of 50,000 years for the disbelievers…sweat…some up to the ankles, knees, earlobes etc. It will be a horrific day for those who do not take heed. And Muslims will be judged like any other.

Those who believe and are practicing their belief, they are the ones that receive Allah’s mercy.

americanrevert**

 

[dolphinlove]

:console:

:hug1:

 

[dolphinlove]

Salaam/peace

you do have more than one diety , that is setting up partners with God .

Jesus (p) had a God like we have , he always prayed to God , not to himself . Did he ever say , now I will pray to myself ?

:banghead:

Hows the big black rock going?? Hope its nice and shiny for hajj when all those muslims worship THE ROCK!

 

[anon52328184]

maybe this has been discussed, but can you explain if there is a messiah in islam that will return to earth or prophecy of the end of the world.

i thought i had read one time that ahmadinejad thought that the messiah might be coming soon and he would come with jesus. is that true?

what is this messiah called? i forgot the term. mahdi? or something like that.

 

[Angelos]

**Hello Deborahaz,

Yes, in Islam we believe that Jesus (Isa on him peace/alayhi wa salaam) is coming back and he will fulfil his duty as a follower of God and His Message.

Actually, I never heard of that lol but in Islam, we have distinct signs that depict these events. (2nd coming and its details). There are minor signs and major signs. Many of them and many of the minor ones have already taken place and are taking place…major ones are the “biggies” like sun risin in its opposite direction etc.

It is stated in sahih ahadith that Jesus will descend in and around Damascus (Syria)…there will be a war and he will also fight as well as Muslims against the Jews etc. He will perform certain duties like break the crosses, kill the pigs, and abolish the jizya tax. He will reign on earth for some time and there will be peace on earth…believers will perish and all the bad will be left then signs of the hour will approach etc…then everyone will parish (horn blowin is involved etc.) and be raised up for judgment…(this is just a short post ok? lol~more stuff are detailed) People will be naked and uncircumcised and the day is described to be chaotic…unimaginable…a day of 50,000 years for the disbelievers…sweat…some up to the ankles, knees, earlobes etc. It will be a horrific day for those who do not take heed. And Muslims will be judged like any other.

Those who believe and are practicing their belief, they are the ones that receive Allah’s mercy.

americanrevert**

Bring your evidence from the Koran, which is undoubtedly the primary source of Islamic teachings.

 

[anon52328184]

please explain the difference between sunni muslims and shi’a muslims.

are there more sunni muslims than shi’a? they interpret islam differently, correct?

 

[planten]

As I see it, Muhammad took the term “Holy Spirit” from the New Testament. That term is used inconsistently in the Koran and the notion that the term refers to an angel strikes me as a fabrication that came later. The term “Holy Spirit” has a specific meaning – it’s a Christian term. It really has no place to fit in Islam but it’s forced into a novel concept.

That is an accusation. It has no ground. Quran is a volumious book. If “Holy Spirit” was taken from the NT then from where did Muhammad take all the rest of things? One bad thing can make all Quran null and void.

Muslims have believed in Jesus as a man of God because of the Quran. And I see that no other nation in the world believes in Jesus. Muhammad had no bible NT 1400 years ago. And in what language would that be?

In the case of the bible NT and Jesus, it is fully established that jesus took all from the bible OT (Torah). He had nothing of his own from any where.

The hypostatic union. That’s why.

Ice, water and Steam???

It is written in the Bible NT: (John 8:58) “before Abraham was, I Am”

Yes, it is written there somehow. But seems meaningless. Could Jesus not say “before Abraham was , I was”??? Or something of that sort?? The church has got mixed up the whole world in strange words such as supposed son, supposed begotten business and supposed unions and supposed feelings that Jesus claimed to be before Abraham. It is not at all clear.

For such important matters, the language should be absolutely clear. Otherwise, as it is, it is only designed to mislead the world.

The Jews accused Him of blasphemy because he said:

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

Yes, And you admit that Jews were right. You support them. Jesus in his entire sermons had never taught anything about himself being God but he presented himself as a messenger of God only (He talked about the One who sent me). How come in the last few days of his preaching, he started saying that he was GOd.

The Jews wanted to catch him on any pretext and they tried to blame him in various ways.That blasphemy was one of them. That was false charge on Jesus. But the church is ever ready to admit that Jews were right. What for? And Why?

Another point. If the charge was blasphemy then the punishment for blasphemy in Jewish law is stoning and not Crucifixion. Why the Jews were anxious and crying hoarse that Jesus should be Crucified? Why they did not ask the authorities that Jesus must be stoned to death? It was their religious matter. they could demand it… There is a great point in that too.

Jn. 10:30-33 - “I and the Father are one”

That is another jugglery of words much misunderstood by the church and used to spread wrong beliefs in the wolrd. We Muslims understand that very well differently.

Mt. 26:63 - “I adjure you by the Living God that you tell us if you are the Christ the Son of God. Jesus said: Thou hast said it… and you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God.”

Jesus did not say “yes”. He said “You say that”. In other words he is telling the others that you are accusing me of that. Similarly, when questioned by Pilate if he was the king of the Jews, he said “You say that”. It meant that I do not say that. But you say that.

The church has so designed the words and made starnge claims that even after manouvering the words of the bible NT, nothing bad is proved against Jesus. Thanks to Allah.

 

[planten]

:banghead:

Hows the big black rock going?? Hope its nice and shiny for hajj when all those muslims worship THE ROCK!

You had a straw but nothing strong.

 

[anon52328184]

no one has answered my questions yet about difference between sunni and shi’a.

 

[dolphinlove]

You had a straw but nothing strong.

notice the head banging against the wall, ive explain this probably 100000000000000000 times, i even started a thread explaining the trinity in perfectly clear terms.
It was the straw that broke the camels back for me!
I, and not only me, have explained the trinity many times, but nothing we say seems to get through, hence my frustration!
So, take your straw, and continue to pray to your black rock.
Good luck!

 

[Angelos]

That is an accusation. It has no ground. Quran is a volumious book. If “Holy Spirit” was taken from the NT then from where did Muhammad take all the rest of things? One bad thing can make all Quran null and void.

Mohammad’s scribes stole many accounts from the Torah, from the Jewish fables and legends, from the Arabic mythology, from the apocryphal Gospels of Jesus’ infancy. Are you happier now because you know the truth about the origin of the Koran?

Muslims have believed in Jesus as a man of God because of the Quran. And I see that no other nation in the world believes in Jesus. Muhammad had no bible NT 1400 years ago. And in what language would that be?

The Islamic faith in Jesus is futile since it is fake and false. That sort of faith will not be credited to the account of Muslims unless they believe in Jesus in the way He wants them to.

In the case of the bible NT and Jesus, it is fully established that jesus took all from the bible OT (Torah). He had nothing of his own from any where.

The New Testament is the hard evidence that rebuts your silly argument. Christians did not need to re-write the Torah unlike you Muslims.

Yes, it is written there somehow. But seems meaningless. Could Jesus not say “before Abraham was , I was”??? Or something of that sort?? The church has got mixed up the whole world in strange words such as supposed son, supposed begotten business and supposed unions and supposed feelings that Jesus claimed to be before Abraham. It is not at all clear.

Jesus said “I AM” to express His divinity. You cannot understand what Jesus means by certain statements unless you read the Old Testament and see what name God uses to identify Himself.

For such important matters, the language should be absolutely clear. Otherwise, as it is, it is only designed to mislead the world.

Neither Jesus nor His followers are concerned with the results of the failure of the so-called Islamic intelligence.

Yes, And you admit that Jews were right. You support them. Jesus in his entire sermons had never taught anything about himself being God but he presented himself as a messenger of God only (He talked about the One who sent me). How come in the last few days of his preaching, he started saying that he was GOd.

Since you are one who has not read the New Testament in its entirety, your conclusions are baseless and meaningless.

The Jews wanted to catch him on any pretext and they tried to blame him in various ways.That blasphemy was one of them. That was false charge on Jesus. But the church is ever ready to admit that Jews were right. What for? And Why?

Christians never agreed with Jews that Christ blasphemed when He said He was the Son of the Most High God. Jesus was considered by Jews a man committing the sin of blasphemy and thus deserving the death penalty. Since what Jesus said about Himself was true, the Jewish accusation was false.

Another point. If the charge was blasphemy then the punishment for blasphemy in Jewish law is stoning and not Crucifixion. Why the Jews were anxious and crying hoarse that Jesus should be Crucified? Why they did not ask the authorities that Jesus must be stoned to death? It was their religious matter. they could demand it… There is a great point in that too.

You should study history to see that the Jews of Jesus’ time had to go by the Roman Law to punish their criminals.

That is another jugglery of words much misunderstood by the church and used to spread wrong beliefs in the wolrd. We Muslims understand that very well differently.

Disabled Islamic thinking is always prone to ignore and/or misunderstand the clear facts and statements in the New Testament. This is not our problem

Jesus did not say “yes”. He said “You say that”. In other words he is telling the others that you are accusing me of that. Similarly, when questioned by Pilate if he was the king of the Jews, he said “You say that”. It meant that I do not say that. But you say that.

You are not honest enough to see the fact that the Jewish high priest also asked Jesus whether He was the MESSIAH. If your odd reasoning were true, Jesus would have denied being the Messiah by not saying YES to the question. When Jesus answers “You say that”, He implies everyone reluctantly acknowledges the fact of His being the Son of God and the King of Jews.

The church has so designed the words and made starnge claims that even after manouvering the words of the bible NT, nothing bad is proved against Jesus. Thanks to Allah.

No matter how Muslims close their eyes to the truth and how weirdly they endeavour to pervert the New Testament, nothing bad is proven against Christianity. Thanks to Christ.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

no one has answered my questions yet about difference between sunni and shi’a.

first about the similarities :

both groups worship one God only. Both agree that Muhammed (p) is the last messenger. Both groups believe Quran is from God.

differences :

when the last Prophet (p) died , some Muslims gave opinion that leadership should be transferred to his family member Ali (ra) .

But others voted for Abu Bakr who led the prayers when Prophet was sick .

Shias don’t accept the first 3 Caliphs ( leaders).

They combined the prayers like offer noon & after noon prayer together ; evening & night prayers at a same time etc.

Most Muslims are Sunni ( more than 80 % ).

 

[anon52328184]

why did they need a leader after the Prophet died?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

why did they need a leader after the Prophet died?

well , people need a good leader …why ??? …so many reasons are there …ok , here goes some.

united Muslims to spread the words of God , fight against enemies , sent ambassodors to non- Muslims to invite them in to the path of God ;

appointed Judges & Governors to establish peace & justice;

appointed staff to collect poor due money & distributed those among poor etc etc etc

 

[anon52328184]

okay. thank you muslim woman for your answers. i think i understand the difference now between sunni and shi’a and why they needed a leader after muhammed left.

last night i watched a show on tv about the terrorist organization hamas.

there was a mother who had begged that her 17 year old son be allowed to be martyred. i probably will never understand how a mother would want that.

i understand that when they created a state for israel in 1948 many people were displaced and sent to live in refugee camps. i can understand how difficult this must have been for the people who had lived there for generations. maybe the people who had decided to create a state for israel should have made plans as to what would happen to these displaced persons.
here we are 60 years later, and people are still unhappy about this and there is still fighting. i can understand the bad feelings on both sides. i hope someday there will be peace over in the middle east.

right now on tv i am watching the coverage of a bombing of a hotel in pakistan. this is very sad. why do innocent people need to be killed for some organization to make a political point?

it is hard for people to have a favorable view of islam when followers of that religion us violence and kill innocent people.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

last night i watched a show on tv about the terrorist organization hamas.

media always relate religion with crime when the alleged criminals are Muslims . The same media don’t do that when the proven one is a non Muslim.

U will never hear media is bashing Judaism for what zionists are doing . No media ever tell us if Hitler was a Christian or a Hindu or what.

How many people know which org carried out most bombing in the world most ?

there was a mother who had begged that her 17 year old son be allowed to be martyred.

When Muslims are oppressed , innocent people including kids are killed regularly , then it becomes obligatory for Muslim men to fight against those terroirists.

But killing innocent people is a major sin in Islam . God says in Quran that punishment is hell fire .

it is hard for people to have a favorable view of islam when followers of that religion us violence and kill innocent people

Sometimes I wonder if really Muslims are doing this .

I think like this …if i had courage to carry out a bomb attack , then instead of killing armed soldiers of enemies , why should I go for killing innocent Muslims ?

How this will benifit me or Islam ?

 

[anon52328184]

i also cannot understand why muslims would want to kill other muslims.

there were obviously muslims staying or working at this marriott hotel in islamabad, pakistan where this truck bombing occurred.

however, muslim woman, i need to point out that there are many shows on hitler and the cruel and evil men who worked with him to kill so many people around WWII. we have many educational programs that show leaders throughout history that have used their power to kill their citizens. joseph stalin is another example. he was in russia. in cambodia and rwanda there has been genocide. there are many forms of terror.

most shows here in the u.s. will present both sides of the story in the middle east. the side from the israeli point of view and the side of the palestinians.
in lebanon, there are many different religions that live side by side. it is only when these terrorist groups form and come in and cause problems and stir up the bad feelings. the terrorist groups do not care if they kill men, women, children, muslim, christian, jew. the more damage, death and chaos they create the more power they have.

 

[inJESUS]

Adultery is punished by killing, theft is punished by mutilation and you said that sins can harm society and affect innocent people and cause unrest, yet words can do exactly the same and worse…why is there no killing punishment or no punishment on this earth for what is of greater damage than adultry?

and i’d appreciate it if you answer the following:

1- God forgives you if you repent, out of mercy, but where is Justice if He is both merciful and just?

2- if an adultress repents, no stoning occurs? if a thief repents, no mutilation is executed?

3- If prayer/charity is already an obligation, how can you repay a sin with what is already an obligation?

 

[reggieM]

Mohammad’s scribes stole many accounts from the Torah, from the Jewish fables and legends, from the Arabic mythology, from the apocryphal Gospels of Jesus’ infancy. Are you happier now because you know the truth about the origin of the Koran?

I was going to reply, but you already did a very good job. Yes, agreed with the above. Mohammad’s scribes simply stole whatever material they could find. Their knowledge of the Gospels and of Christianity in general was minimal at best.

That is an accusation. It has no ground. Quran is a volumious book. If “Holy Spirit” was taken from the NT then from where did Muhammad take all the rest of things? One bad thing can make all Quran null and void.

First of all, the addition of “the Holy Spirit” to the Koran is one of the most blatant and obvious plagerisms that one can find. It was taken directly from the NT, without any real theological knowlege about what it meant. Then later, because of the many problems this concept has for Islam, interpreters claimed that “The Holy Spirit” is actually “the angel of God”. This, again will strike any impartial reader as manipulative and false. There is nothing in the Koran that explains how this certain angel got the title “The Holy Spirit”. It’s an obvious contradiction that reveals how confused the Koran really is.
You ask where the rest of the things in the Koran came from, and that is an excellent question. Much of it comes from other sources, as Angelos pointed out. The compilers of the Koran had ample information to borrow from in order to complete the book. Some of it is simply practical information that anybody could write – stories of very little significance.
I don’t deny that there is some moral value to be found in the text – but this is all a secondary source.
Again, the addition of the term “The Holy Spirit” in the Koran is an obvious example of something taken from the New Testament for no reason other than to make the Koran “seem religious”. The meanings added later to this concept are just that – later additions intended to explain something that is a blatant indication of the fabrication that is the Koran.
It might be helpful to study the origin and nature of Joseph Smith’s “Book of Mormon” sometime. You’ll find remarkable parallels.

 

[planten]

Mohammad’s scribes stole many accounts from the Torah, from the Jewish fables and legends, from the Arabic mythology, from the apocryphal Gospels of Jesus’ infancy. Are you happier now because you know the truth about the origin of the Koran?

**Since youare here and not replying properly, you are suggesting some impossible thing for person who was being persecuted, in Makkah. His men were all in trouble. You think they had helpers or they were well educated in your man-God theology. If Muhammad had to take something from bible then it was necessary to take your son/father business. You do not know what you are talking about.

I am happier now that I know you know nothing.**

The Islamic faith in Jesus is futile since it is fake and false. That sort of faith will not be credited to the account of Muslims unless they believe in Jesus in the way He wants them to.

I wish you could be as good as the Muslims. With your hatred of Muhammad and Islam, it is clear that youare wrong and Muslims are right in loving Jesus which also you have to deny. That is your plan.

The New Testament is the hard evidence that rebuts your silly argument. Christians did not need to re-write the Torah unlike you Muslims.

** I am sure the church has re-written the Torah too and corrupted that too in order to make some ground for their wrong beliefs.**

Jesus said “I AM” to express His divinity. You cannot understand what Jesus means by certain statements unless you read the Old Testament and see what name God uses to identify Himself.

There is no need to teach me English. And please do not try to become Jesus now to correct and adjust the words. Jesus should have said, “before Abaraham, I was.” Not I am. I know all about the word I am in the OT. There God replied to Moses with “I am”. Now you want to prove that Jesus also said the samething and so he is god.That is not possible.

Neither Jesus nor His followers are concerned with the results of the failure of the so-called Islamic intelligence.

There is no failure of anything in Islam. Only the church has not built well on proper, honest loving grounds. It lacks honesty and welfare and needs toget rid of some of the prejudice against Islam.

Since you are one who has not read the New Testament in its entirety, your conclusions are baseless and meaningless.

Why should I read it in entirety? I have read the four gospels and that is enough for me. There is something of Jesus there. The rest of your bible is not necessary. Most of it from paul who was an utter enemy of Jesus.

Christians never agreed with Jews that Christ blasphemed when He said He was the Son of the Most High God. Jesus was considered by Jews a man committing the sin of blasphemy and thus deserving the death penalty. Since what Jesus said about Himself was true, the Jewish accusation was false.

Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy tht he was calling himself son of God and that he was GOd. Jesus was in trouble due to that.But you people have admitted that they were right at least in their claim and accusation. can you not see that please?

You should study history to see that the Jews of Jesus’ time had to go by the Roman Law to punish their criminals.

You are avoiding the issue. They should have at least once called for the stoning punishment. But since they did not and cried hoarse to Crucify Jesus, that means there was no charge of any blasphemy.

Disabled Islamic thinking is always prone to ignore and/or misunderstand the clear facts and statements in the New Testament. This is not our problem

There is nothing rational to be understood in the bible. It is all a mystery and a magic of words and unreal terminology.

You are not honest enough to see the fact that the Jewish high priest also asked Jesus whether He was the MESSIAH. If your odd reasoning were true, Jesus would have denied being the Messiah by not saying YES to the question. When Jesus answers “You say that”, He implies everyone reluctantly acknowledges the fact of His being the Son of God and the King of Jews.

Every time Jesus said “You say I am”. Not even once he said, “Yes I am”. That means he denied their charges.

No matter how Muslims close their eyes to the truth and how weirdly they endeavour to pervert the New Testament, nothing bad is proven against Christianity. Thanks to Christ.

We do not have to prove anything when you cannot prove the truth of your statements of Trinity and son God and father god etc and the complicated problem of begetting etc. It is all your problem. When you will solve them then the whole world will understand.