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cheezey said:
What’s the difference between ‘high’ and otherwise?
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Most often this is addressed as if the terms high church and Anglo-Catholic were synonymous. It’d close enough, in practice, to assume that, but I make a disticntion beteween high church (relating to churchmanship - how many candles, incense, vestments) and Anglo-Catholic (doctrine - Marilology, Real Presence, number of sacraments). I thought I had invented that, but I find some scholars who I am echoing.

High and Anglo-Catholic are highly correlated. Low and evangelical, usually the same.

GKC
 
po18guy said:
Does your denomination believe that the mass is a sacrifice and that the Holy Eucharist is itself a sacrifice?
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Yes my Church believes The Holy Eucharist is the sacrament commanded by Christ for the continual remembrance of his life, death, and resurrection, until his coming again. The Eucharist, the Church’s sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, is the way by which the sacrifice of Christ is made present, and in which he unites us to his one offering of himself. The benefits we receive are the forgiveness of our sins, the strengthening of our union with Christ and one another, and the foretaste of the heavenly banquet which is our nourishment in eternal life.
 
Given my schedule for the next couple of days, this was an ill-timed effort on my part.

But do recall what I have said so often. Anglicans are a motley crew. What you ask about Anglicanism will, in general, depend on which Anglican you ask.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Most often this is addressed as if the terms high church and Anglo-Catholic were synonymous. It’d close enough, in practice, to assume that, but I make a disticntion beteween high church (relating to churchmanship - how many candles, incense, vestments) and Anglo-Catholic (doctrine - Marilology, Real Presence, number of sacraments). I thought I had invented that, but I find some scholars who I am echoing.

High and Anglo-Catholic are highly correlated. Low and evangelical, usually the same.

GKC
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Right. Not all high church Anglicans are Anglo-Catholic, but the majority (maybe all) of Anglo-Catholics are indeed high church.
 
aidanbradypop said:
Kind of all depends on the “Anglican” you are asking. Personally, I have never come across someone that did not believe in the RP. It is in the Book of Common Prayer as the RP.
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Real Presence – depending on who you ask and how it’s defined.

Eucharistic Sacrifice – no. Prayer Book Studies #21 makes that very clear.
 
aidanbradypop said:
I was waiting for that one. lol

I place him in the same place I would place Fr. Malachi Martin. Does that answer your question in a charitable way? lol
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I believe that this is the first time Spong and Fr. Martin have EVER been compared in this way! 🙂
 
po18guy said:
Does your denomination believe that the mass is a sacrifice and that the Holy Eucharist is itself a sacrifice?
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I cannot answer for a denomination/Church. Nor can any Anglican. We are structured that way. For me, and for Anglo-Catholics such as I am, the answer is not that the Mass is a sacrifice. It is the Sacrifice of Calvary, re-presented on the altar, at the hands of the alter Christus, as time and eternity intersect. The One Sacrifice, made present to us.

GKC
 
GKC said:
It is an undefined belief. In my experience, the RP is the most common belief, but I associate only with traditionalist, high church Anglo-Catholics.

GKC
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Greetings, my friend! It has been awhile!
 
David_Zampino said:
Real Presence – depending on who you ask and how it’s defined.
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Correct…some say con, trans, and some simply it is the Body and Blood and how is a mystery.
Eucharistic Sacrifice – no. Prayer Book Studies #21 makes that very clear.
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The Eucharist, the Church’s sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, is the way by which the sacrifice of Christ is made present, and in which he unites us to his one offering of himself.
 
aidanbradypop said:
Correct…some say con, trans, and some simply it is the Body and Blood and how is a mystery.

The Eucharist, the Church’s sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, is the way by which the sacrifice of Christ is made present, and in which he unites us to his one offering of himself.
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Sacrifice of Praise and Thanksgiving, yes. But, as previously stated, Prayer Book Studies #21 (sorry, my copy is still in a box in the garage – ain’t moving fun?) is crystal clear that the concept of “anamnesis” is not to be understood in the same manner as a Catholic would view the Mass as the Unbloody Sacrifice of Jesus. This was one of the hiccups during the 1970’s in ARCIC.
 
David_Zampino said:
Real Presence – depending on who you ask and how it’s defined.

Eucharistic Sacrifice – no. Prayer Book Studies #21 makes that very clear.
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As me, it’s Trent, Session XIII, canon 1.

And yes, it’s a Eucharistic sacrifice. The Sacrifice.

GKC
 
David_Zampino said:
Sacrifice of Praise and Thanksgiving, yes. But, as previously stated, Prayer Book Studies #21 (sorry, my copy is still in a box in the garage – ain’t moving fun?) is crystal clear that the concept of “anamnesis” is not to be understood in the same manner as a Catholic would view the Mass as the Unbloody Sacrifice of Jesus. This was one of the hiccups during the 1970’s in ARCIC.
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Depends on which Anglican you ask.

GKC
 
David_Zampino said:
I know where YOU stand, my friend!
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As it was, it is. But the questions, as I understood the original arrangement, was not merely to TEC, or any given jurisdiction of Anglicanism. but to TEC or Anglicanism, in general. So, given that Anglicans are a motley crew, depends on who you ask.

It is very good to hear from you, my friend.

GKC
 
David_Zampino said:
Sacrifice of Praise and Thanksgiving, yes. But, as previously stated, Prayer Book Studies #21 (sorry, my copy is still in a box in the garage – ain’t moving fun?) is crystal clear that the concept of “anamnesis” is not to be understood in the same manner as a Catholic would view the Mass as the Unbloody Sacrifice of Jesus. This was one of the hiccups during the 1970’s in ARCIC.
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In the mind of Charles Mortimer Guilbert.
 
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