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aidanbradypop
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“motley crew” lol
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po18guy
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I asked inasmuch as the Eucharist, in both Catholic and Orthodox practice, possesses two facets: Presence and Sacrifice in itself, even outside of the mass. I ask because the reformers early on divided over these two aspects of the Eucharist. If both elements are present, then that would show a continuing adherence to the Catholic Church, from which the Anglican was derived, no?
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Truth_Faith13
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Hello fellow English person
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Truth_Faith13
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That sounds very similar and more an argument of language than religious belief…eg honour vs honor
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GKC
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And I answer, as an Anglo-Catholic, of the traditionalist bent, Presence, and Sacrifice.
But Anglicans are motley.
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Celtic_Maiden
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No such thing as Catholic and Reformed, as I said before the Catholic Church has stood its ground going about Christ’s business for 2000 years, and never reformed, its only the likes of Luther,- etc not asked by Christ to form other Church’s , all 40,000, speaking logically Christ would not have asked that 4000 church’s start up after HIM after Establishing HIS one True Church, Pride, Dishonest, Bloated Ego by the men who founded these Heretical Church’s. Some started in the year 1500, which makes some of them 500 years old to one day old, founded yesterday, some for a money racket.
Why would you contradict Our Lord, when he founded His Church 2000 years ago, and told his Apostles and Peter On this Rock I will build my Church - the Roman Catholic Church, not the Church of England, the Episcopalians , Mormons etc.
You insult Our Lord, by not believing His Word, and what He says.
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Someone posted a comment on another thread suggesting that there may be some theological difference between Anglicans and Lutherans. I think the difference is merely catechetical. Luther / Augustana needed to define the Reformation. There was less urgency for Anglicans to clarify differences with our mother Church, Roman Catholic.
I believe the end result is that Anglicans follow the Catholic faith that includes toleration of others ‘via media’].
I believe the end result is that Anglicans follow the Catholic faith that includes toleration of others ‘via media’].
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adawgj
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I have two
What’s The Book of Common Prayer?
Do you like Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu from South Africa?
What’s The Book of Common Prayer?
Do you like Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu from South Africa?
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GKC
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Within Anglicanism there is no longer a true Book of Common Prayer. There are many books, as adapted and adopted by the various jurisdictions within Anglicanism. The Books are the basic liturgies/rites/prayers for worship, as required to function as a liturgical Church. My parish uses the 1928 Episcopal Book of Common Prayer. Examples of this, and other common and historical Books may be found by googling.
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aidanbradypop
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The Episcopal Church uses the 1979 Book of Common. Some still use the 1928 here and there. Usually those Episcopal parishes tend be more Anglo-Catholic.
I very much respect Archbishop Tutu! I’m sure there are some that do not care for him.
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Contarini
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Not necessarily. You are assuming that Anglicans or Baptists claim to be what the Catholic Church claims to be, and then fault us for not claiming this. But that seems unreasonable to me. Why should we be? Do Franciscans think everyone should be a Franciscan? Do Byzantine Catholics think everyone should be Byzantine? (Well, they probably do, actually
.)In other words, from my perspective Anglicans are a particular “flavor” within Christianity, and I want that flavor to be preserved. The problem is that the flavor goes along with a certain level of freedom and fuzziness in our approach to the Faith. This is the problem I have with the ordinariates and earlier similar initiatives. They draw in the most extreme Anglo-Catholics, who are typically more dogmatic and right-wing than even most conservative Catholics anyway, and claim to be preserving the Anglican patrimony. But the Anglican patrimony is probably, in my opinion, better preserved by going to a local Roman parish and grumbling about the bad liturgy there (which I will no doubt do when I finally convert, which I hope to do next year–I also have an excellent excuse, if one were needed, for still being involved in Anglicanism to some extent, since my wife is certainly remaining Episcopalian. . . )
Evangelization is bringing people to Jesus, not to one’s own particular tradition. The problem is that many Episcopalians don’t seem to realize that
Actually I think you raise valid concerns. The problem was really brought home to me a few years ago, when a Catholic student became Episcopalian partly because of me. I did everything I could, reasonably and charitably, to persuade her otherwise. But she found my approach to the Christian faith congenial as a young Catholic interested in youth ministry and attending an evangelical college, and when she saw the leaflet about my church on my office door (which I think may actually have been put there by my wife, if I remember rightly), she became interested.
There isn’t “a Church.” (Yes, I have problems with the “sui juris Church” language in the Catholic Church, but that’s another issue.) There is just the Church, and local churches. So the question is really: are Anglicans fully united to the Church? And I think we aren’t. Hence, I think your challenge is a valid one, and you’re absolutely right that our situation presents huge problems for evangelization. In one sense I think we do a lot of good, because we are a home for questioning intellectual/artistic types who might abandon Christianity altogether if we weren’t there. But at the same time, a good many of those folks are Catholics, who ought instead to be given support in remaining within the Church, however difficult it may be!
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masuwerte
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Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong here, but it seems to me that while it is central to RC belief, that their Church is not capable of teaching error, Episcopalians believe that our Church can and does sometimes make mistakes. I like the humility inherent in the latter position.
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aidanbradypop
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As far I know, you are correct. The General Conventions create Canons which can be challenged and/or changed.
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BrethrenBoy
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How do you understand the whole King Henry VIII debacle? That’s the one thing I can’t get past to seriously consider Anglicanism.
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Truth_Faith13
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That’s one of my issues with Church of England…it is quite open to the fact that it started because some king wanted to divorce his wife so decided that he was now the head of the English church…there was no prophet, no spiritual experience, no message from God…yet it’s a point that is often ignored 
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Protestor
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Are your clergy celibate? 
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aidanbradypop
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episcopalchurch.org/page/history-episcopal-church On The Episcopal Church history. Lots of good links.That’s one of my issues with Church of England…it is quite open to the fact that it started because some king wanted to divorce his wife so decided that he was now the head of the English church…there was no prophet, no spiritual experience, no message from God…yet it’s a point that is often ignored
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aidanbradypop
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Short answer…no…don’t choke on that popcornAre your clergy celibate?
The requirement for celibacy in the clergy was formally abolished in the Church of England in 1549.
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GKC
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One of my specialties. But before I respond, tell me a little more of what you are looking for.
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No, not a divorce. A decree of nullity. Quite common in the day. I will like post more on this when I get a moment.I’ve been doing it for around 9 years.That’s one of my issues with Church of England…it is quite open to the fact that it started because some king wanted to divorce his wife so decided that he was now the head of the English church…there was no prophet, no spiritual experience, no message from God…yet it’s a point that is often ignored
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