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Ferde_Rombola said:
What is a ‘sacramental rite?’
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Spiritual markers in our journey of faith. An old retired priest once told me that The Gospel gives us 2 Sacraments and the Church gives us 5 more. So, IMO, Those 5 have sacramental value but are not considered Sacraments by some.
 
Ferde_Rombola said:
Catholics are not pro-choice, are not for homosexual ‘marriage,’ etc. There are a lot of Protestants who go to Mass in Catholic churches on Sunday. Your sister-in-law appears to be one of them.

There are no liberal sects in the Catholic Church. There are many liberals in the Church, to be sure, and many heretics pretending to be Catholics.
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My question is, how do Anglicans and Episcopailians view their history?

We know that Lutherans and their ‘descendants’ are the result of an attempt to “reform” the Church. As I have said before in several other threads, I can agree that some in the Church hirearchy were VERY corrupt (and should likely never have been ordained); but I think that half of Protestantism packed up and left, rather than stay and impliment their reforms.

I digress…

The Church of England is another story…

We all know the story of Henry VIII and his wanting a divorce and all that… Does YOUR half of Protestantism see your origin as being one of rebelion and disobedience; or is Henry VIII some kind of folk-hero for standing up to the big bad pope in Rome?
 
In short, the beginnings of the Church of England, from which the Episcopal Church derives, date to at least the second century, when merchants and other travelers first brought Christianity to England. It is customary to regard St. Augustine of Canterbury’s mission to England in 597 as marking the formal beginning of the church under papal authority, as it was to be throughout the Middle Ages.

In its modern form, the church dates from the English Reformation of the 16th century, when royal supremacy was established and the authority of the papacy was repudiated. With the advent of British colonization, the Church of England was established on every continent. In time, these churches gained their independence, but retained connections with the mother church in the Anglican Communion
 
aidanbradypop said:
In short, the beginnings of the Church of England, from which the Episcopal Church derives, date to at least the second century, when merchants and other travelers first brought Christianity to England. It is customary to regard St. Augustine of Canterbury’s mission to England in 597 as marking the formal beginning of the church under papal authority, as it was to be throughout the Middle Ages.

In its modern form, the church dates from the English Reformation of the 16th century, when royal supremacy was established and the authority of the papacy was repudiated. With the advent of British colonization, the Church of England was established on every continent. In time, these churches gained their independence, but retained connections with the mother church in the Anglican Communion
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So you’re telling me that Hank was a swell guy, and he’s a hero to you guys?
 
GKC said:
It;s what some Anglicans, who try to fit the distinctions of the XXXIX Articles into their sacramental understanding, call the sacraments other than those of Baptism and the Eucharist.

GKC
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That’s what I thought. Thanks.
 
I guess what I am trying to understand is do Anglicans see the break with the Church as a good thing or not (kind of a silly question since they never reconciled); AND how is the separation viewed today?
 
aidanbradypop said:
In short, the beginnings of the Church of England, from which the Episcopal Church derives, date to at least the second century, when merchants and other travelers first brought Christianity to England. It is customary to regard St. Augustine of Canterbury’s mission to England in 597 as marking the formal beginning of the church under papal authority, as it was to be throughout the Middle Ages.

In its modern form, the church dates from the English Reformation of the 16th century, when royal supremacy was established and the authority of the papacy was repudiated. With the advent of British colonization, the Church of England was established on every continent. In time, these churches gained their independence, but retained connections with the mother church in the Anglican Communion
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Well, except that Augustine wasn’t totally successful in bringing the local church under Rome’s authority, and some see that as part of a continuing on-and-off relationship between England and Rome throughout the Middle Ages.
 
rfournier103 said:
I guess what I am trying to understand is do Anglicans see the break with the Church as a good thing or not (kind of a silly question since they never reconciled); AND how is the separation viewed today?
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I will give my opinion as I am sure the other Anglicans/Episcopalians may as well.

As an Episcopalian, we believe we are still part of the OHCAC. We broke from the Pope, not the Church. Since I do not subscribe to papal supremacy, I view it as a good thing. Much like the Orthodox, I wish for a united Church, but not under the Bishop of Rome and the head. Did that answer it? 🙂
 
aidanbradypop said:
Spiritual markers in our journey of faith. An old retired priest once told me that The Gospel gives us 2 Sacraments and the Church gives us 5 more. So, IMO, Those 5 have sacramental value but are not considered Sacraments by some.
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The distinction of the Dominical Sacraments are that they were established, in their form, by Our Lord.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Hank is a fascinating train wreck, and not a personal hero of mine, but an historical hobby.

GKC
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Agree. I do not hold ole Hank up as a hero or someone great. He had faults just like the rest of us lol.
 
GKC said:
The distinction of the Dominical Sacraments are that they were established, in their form, by Our Lord.

GKC
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Whether one goes with 2, 5 or 7…I believe ALL bestow Grace upon us.
 
rfournier103 said:
I guess what I am trying to understand is do Anglicans see the break with the Church as a good thing or not (kind of a silly question since they never reconciled); AND how is the separation viewed today?
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If I can attempt an interpretation of what my friends in the Church of England think, I reckon they regard the disunity of the Church as a bad thing; they are not particularly admiring of Henry VIII – more admiring of Elizabeth I perhaps and her attempt (not in the end particularly successful) at religious tolerance; they think there was good reason for the Reformation; that it would be good if the Church could be united again; but that factors such as the claim to infallibility and universal jurisdiction, plus the disparagement of Anglican orders, stand heavily in the way; and they recognise that such developments as the ordination of women make reunion a long-term aim. That’s my unofficial take on their views (but the fact is they are a disparate crew – motley, even – and those on the conservative evangelical wing would be less generous in their comments!).
 
Picky_Picky said:
If I can attempt an interpretation of what my friends in the Church of England think, I reckon they regard the disunity of the Church as a bad thing; they are not particularly admiring of Henry VIII – more admiring of Elizabeth I perhaps and her attempt (not in the end particularly successful) at religious tolerance; they think there was good reason for the Reformation; that it would be good if the Church could be united again; but that factors such as the claim to infallibility and universal jurisdiction, plus the disparagement of Anglican orders, stand heavily in the way; and they recognise that such developments as the ordination of women make reunion a long-term aim. That’s my unofficial take on their views (but the fact is they are a disparate crew – motley, even – and those on the conservative evangelical wing would be less generous in their comments!).
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Sounded good to me. lol
 
Perhaps it might be worth adding with regard to Harry VIII that I don’t think Church of England members look back on him as the founder of their church, they think of him probably as one of the bad men of history – not because of the break with Rome but because they don’t really sympathise with the idea of chopping your wife’s head off every so often. So they would regard the way Catholics concentrate on Harry when they are talking about the CofE as rather odd. If you asked them who started their church their answer – apart from talking about Christ and the apostles of course – might well be St Augustine of Canterbury.
 
Picky_Picky said:
Perhaps it might be worth adding with regard to Harry VIII that I don’t think Church of England members look back on him as the founder of their church, they think of him probably as one of the bad men of history – not because of the break with Rome but because they don’t really sympathise with the idea of chopping your wife’s head off every so often. So they would regard the way Catholics concentrate on Harry when they are talking about the CofE as rather odd. If you asked them who started their church their answer – apart from talking about Christ and the apostles of course – might well be St Augustine of Canterbury.
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Only twice, and after the legal niceties.

Some might say that Augustine was the founder. But that is not historically accurate.

GKC
 
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