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Poco …
Lets compare what a Baptist perceives the Lord’s Supper to be vis-a-vis the Catholic Church. Baptist say it is simply a memorial. The grape juice & crackers are passed out to the Baptized, by the deacons …then the minister reads the gospel account, and the bread eaten, the later the drink. They, reflect on the Lord’s passion …and silently pray for spiritual renewal. Then, the plate is passed for receipt of an offering for the poor…and a hymn is sung…and the worship service is over. Baptist see the Supper as our prayer to the Lord to fill us anew with HS. It is typically done once quarter, 4x’s yearly…and not necessarily done at Easter service, although some may do it then & sometimes at Christmas Eve service. Baptist are not taught Christ is actually, bodily present in the hosts. Christ is in heaven, but can spiritually commune with them at any time …via HS. Thus, it is an occasion to reflect, meditate on Christ’s passion …and hope for spiritual renewal. It is a solemn occasion for them …but, not by any means what it means to a Catholic.
Also, the left-over host are taken by deacons to the shut-ins @ NH’s/Hospitals…and the remaining discarded …as it is ordinary juice & crackers…w/o the presence of Christ.
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Now, as Catholic …on the Eucharist.
I left Baptist church for many years. Too busy, too prodigal a life. Later trials hit that I couldn’t explain. I knew I was being judged…and that Church must be essential to salvation of a ‘born again’. A friend of mine was Catholic, so I went with them on several occasions. They were nominal Catholic, didn’t know their Catechism, and invited me to receive Eucharist along with they. I had always loved the Baptist Lord’s Supper …so I was eager to receive again, after many years. Each time I did, I felt amazing healing within. Later, I started going on my own, and taking in the liturgy of the Mass. I was overwhelmed by the presence of the HS I was feeling at Mass. I was going maybe every 3rd week. I came to notice that I did so well, with avoiding sin, for about a week after Mass…but, by that second or third week, I had fallen badly back into sins. Thats when I was convinced the Catholic Church has something extra special about her…and I started going more often. Next I noticed that I was especially feeling renewal & presence of HS when receiving the Eucharist. Over about a years time, I made amazing recovery from prodigal life…and my trials ended. Then, I spent several years reading on the Catholic doctrines I wasn’t sure about…and asking questions about them on CAF. Overtime, I found the CC was dead on right, based on scripture !! I didn’t even need to accept their traditions explanations…scripture alone was making the Catholic case. Thats when I started RCIA…and came into Church on Easter 2009.
I left Baptist church for many years. Too busy, too prodigal a life. Later trials hit that I couldn’t explain. I knew I was being judged…and that Church must be essential to salvation of a ‘born again’. A friend of mine was Catholic, so I went with them on several occasions. They were nominal Catholic, didn’t know their Catechism, and invited me to receive Eucharist along with they. I had always loved the Baptist Lord’s Supper …so I was eager to receive again, after many years. Each time I did, I felt amazing healing within. Later, I started going on my own, and taking in the liturgy of the Mass. I was overwhelmed by the presence of the HS I was feeling at Mass. I was going maybe every 3rd week. I came to notice that I did so well, with avoiding sin, for about a week after Mass…but, by that second or third week, I had fallen badly back into sins. Thats when I was convinced the Catholic Church has something extra special about her…and I started going more often. Next I noticed that I was especially feeling renewal & presence of HS when receiving the Eucharist. Over about a years time, I made amazing recovery from prodigal life…and my trials ended. Then, I spent several years reading on the Catholic doctrines I wasn’t sure about…and asking questions about them on CAF. Overtime, I found the CC was dead on right, based on scripture !! I didn’t even need to accept their traditions explanations…scripture alone was making the Catholic case. Thats when I started RCIA…and came into Church on Easter 2009.
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Yes, this is one of the four views of communion within the Christian community/Body. Can one tell from the participants exiting the church service/ mass which of the four is more effectual ? On Monday morning can one tell ? It may mean more to a participant from one view to the next but does say the Baptist receive his spiritual food, filling , “high” in other ways, as say you do from the Eucharist ? How does communion views/experiences effect the bottom line of the believer ? I am sure you will find believers in all four categories of communion views giving equal glory to God thru their lives. Which leads me to ask then was Jesus’s warning that you can not have eternal resurrection life unless you eat Him figurative or literal speech ? Apparently, brothers in all 4 communion views have "life’ and will be found in heaven . Do all Baptists “have no life in them”, because Jesus states you will ( have life) IF you eat His flesh and drink His blood ? Does the Lord not dwell in baptists ?
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I suppose the answer is best given in this analogy:
Do a boyfriend and girlfriend who have not enjoyed the marital embrace still love each other? :yup:
Do a husband and wife who have indeed enjoyed the marital embrace, and truly become one flesh, have a more profound and sublime relationship than this boyfriend and girlfriend? :yup:
Baptists are like the former relationship. They have no way to enjoy the One Flesh Union with God.
Catholics are like the husband and wife. They are profoundly privileged to enjoy the One Flesh Union with God.
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Poco …
Having partaken of both Baptist & Catholic Eucharist …I can tell u the second is highly efficacious. I felt the power of it before I realized the literal presence significance of the teaching of Christ about it. Now, I’m researching the Jewish Shewbread…and finding its the OT type of the NT Eucharist. Google Shewbread…and read the full history of it…@ Wikipedia site. There is also a Jew by name of Brant Pitre, who has written a book on this topic…I’m next gonna get his book. Stay tuned … I’ll let u know the fuller story in a week or so.
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And, yes —on Monday morning I could tell. The Eucharist is efficacious for a full week …7 days !!
As I discovered, if I missed a mass or two …I would inevitably fall back into mortal sinning.
Thats when I realized, the Mass (Eucharist) was essential to my continued Perseverance/Salvation.
As I discovered, if I missed a mass or two …I would inevitably fall back into mortal sinning.
Thats when I realized, the Mass (Eucharist) was essential to my continued Perseverance/Salvation.
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you know brb3, this is sorta of how it was for me before i came back into the Church.
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Christ knows us better than we…knowing that w/o graces of Eucharist, most (if not all) will fall back and not persevere. Thats why Apostles were instructed to provide us the Supernatural food/drink on regular basis.
Venial sins, if not removed regularly…lead to mortal sins. The Eucharist is best preventive medicine for us.
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So the boy/girl friend scenario have no marriage, have not consumated -they do not “know” "each other. So will Jesus say depart, I don’t know you ? Again, is John 6 literal both in the eating and the consequence ? . …Another scenario is perhaps the man /woman have not consumated, but are indeed married, like Joseph and Mary, obstaining from fleshly union, living in the spirit. …Or perhaps it is like Augustine said , in John 6 Peter ate His flesh and drank His blood by faith and proclamation of it, that Jesus is the Christ .Christ and the Father are one without the eating literally, and we are one with both also without eating flesh literally, but eating we all do who “eucharist”.
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That is above our pay grade, poco.
Maybe he will. Maybe he won’t.
I will say that we cannot dismiss any of the Scriptures because we find them to be a “hard saying” and leave His Body because of it. Like thousands did in John 6 when they heard Jesus say that his followers had to eat his flesh and drink his blood.
We need to take the Word of God in its entirety. Not just the ones that are palatable to us.
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Mary was united with her spouse, the Holy Spirit, in the One Flesh Union.
Just like we Catholics are united in the One Flesh Union with Jesus in the Eucharist.
Sadly, those who do not have the Eucharist have no way of enjoying this most intimate and sublime One Flesh Union with their Beloved, like Catholics do.
Certainly.
But it’s not just spiritual union. It’s physical.
Just like a husband and wife.
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So, when u read the John 6 account …have u yet decided which group u will follow. Scenario ‘Stay’ …or Scenario ‘leave for another’ ?
Christ offered u 2 choices … not four.
Stay with Cath. CHURCH …or leave for another.
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If you believe like Peter did, that Christ is the Messiah, and His words are eternal life you have “eaten” and “stayed”.
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That is right. Only man has added more choices beyond original intention of what it is to “eat”.
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The flesh availeth little, profiteth nothing.
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So you can discern half the verse but not the other ? One is within pay grade the other not ? Again the entirety of the verse is eat to have eternal life,resurrection. Why
do you surely say some do not “eat” but not so sure of it’s consequence of no life,resurrection in the Lord ?
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Whose flesh ? Ours, a dead animal’s (lamb) …or Christ’s ?
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