Assured salvation of Fatima children

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How could the children be assured of salvation like Mary told them they were, still having potential to commit mortal sin. The Catholic Church does not teach assured salvation.

Were the children exempt from all the challenges we have that come with the possibility of being damned?
 
dbranch said:
How could the children be assured of salvation like Mary told them they were, still having potential to commit mortal sin. The Catholic Church does not teach assured salvation.
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How can I know without divination that my dog will eat a bowl of food I set in front of him?
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Were the children exempt from all the challenges we have that come with the possibility of being damned?
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No. In fact I think Mary said that one of them would/was in danger of spending a lot of time in purgatory.
 
Fauken said:
How can I know without divination that my dog will eat a bowl of food I set in front of him?
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I’m a new Catholic. So, God already knows whether we’ll choose to be saved or damned, and can tell Mary and allow her to tell us. Thank u
 
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Fauken:
How can I know without divination that my dog will eat a bowl of food I set in front of him?
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I’m a new Catholic. So, God already knows whether we’ll choose to be saved or damned, and can tell Mary and allow her to tell us. Thank u
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Essentially, yes.

However, the Catholic Church DOES believe that SOME are predestined for Heaven. But the Church also teaches that no one is predestined for Hell.

I hope this makes sense.
 
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I’m a new Catholic. So, God already knows whether we’ll choose to be saved or damned, and can tell Mary and allow her to tell us. Thank u
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Mary did tell the boy he would need to pray many rosaries 🙂🌹🙏
 
dbranch said:
How could the children be assured of salvation like Mary told them they were, still having potential to commit mortal sin. The Catholic Church does not teach assured salvation.

Were the children exempt from all the challenges we have that come with the possibility of being damned?
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Evidently Our Lord foresaw that Jacinta and Francisco would die in childhood, and allowed Our Lady to speak about their salvation being assured. Keep in mind that they were just little children, very holy, and having seen what they did, they would hardly be of a disposition to reject God. They hadn’t grown, nor would they grow, to an age where they would be subject to severe temptations against faith and morality. In other words, they didn’t live long enough really to be able to sin mortally.

I do not believe that the “age of reason” happens all in a flash, but rather gradually unfolds through childhood and even adolescence. Children really don’t have a concept of “forever” or “eternity”. Even my own son, who is 12 and a tad immature in some ways, basically only comprehends “now” and “not now”.
 
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How could the children be assured of salvation like Mary told them they were
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The Church teaches that there can be divine revelation on the assurance of salvation. Can’t find the exact source, but I am certain of this. Specifically as it relates to the sin of presumption (one may not presume to be saved, except in the case of a divine revelation). [EDIT: Council of Trent, Session 6, On Justification:
No one, moreover, so long as he is in this mortal life, ought so far to presume as regards the secret mystery of divine predestination, as to determine for certain that he is assuredly in the number of the predestinate; as if it were true, that he that is justified, either cannot sin any more, or, if he do sin, that he ought to promise himself an assured repentance; for except by special revelation, it cannot be known whom God hath chosen unto Himself.

CANON XVI.-If any one saith, that he will for certain, of an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end,-unless he have learned this by special revelation; let him be anathema.
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It’s a very special privilege. God so predisposes and foresees that those holy souls will go to Heaven, whereby telling them actually strengthens their resolve not to sin and to do penance.

Examples include the little children at Fatima, but also St. Francis and St. Bernadette. No exemption from challenges and temptations in their lives, quite the contrary we see heroic witness of prayer and penance.
 
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Mary, like all the Saints, only knows what God tells them or allows them to know.
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But Mary is not like all the Saints. Hence the cult of hyperdulia to her. She is so intrinsically close to the Holy Trinity that many wise and prudent men have argued there is nothing impossible to her.
 
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Mary, like all the Saints, only knows what God tells them or allows them to know.
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But Mary is not like all the Saints. Hence the cult of hyperdulia to her. She is so intrinsically close to the Holy Trinity that many wise and prudent men have argued there is nothing impossible to her.
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Be careful here… Mary is a creature just like us and the other Saints. She has no special powers. The only difference is that she is most holy and her Son listens to her.

But she cannot do things on her own power, any differently than any other Saint.

For example: when she appeared at Fatima - she didn’t do that on her own. God sent her.
 
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Agreed 100% on this, phil19034, especially in this day and age where so many strange things are going on. But I am very Kolbian when it comes to understanding her power of intercession.
 
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lil_user said:
Agreed 100% on this. But I am very Kolbian on this regard.
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I love Kolbe too. We just have to be mindful of what we say, because “poetic language” is what causes many to think Catholics believe Mary to be some kind of goddess or “4th person” of the Trinity.
 
Didn’t she assure them of Heaven just before they had the vision of hell? I’m guessing that seeing what our sin merits would offer a serious kick up the backside about being more serious about putting God first and not abusing His grace.
 
And when God sent her with a message, I believe He told her how these lives would end
 
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The Catholic Church does not teach assured salvation.
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What the Church teaches applies to us living on earth, what we need for our salvation. Once in Heaven, God decides what the saints do.
 
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