At What Point Does a Baby Get Human Rights in Your View?

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East_and_West said:
Don’t be silly. The right to life is not even in the same category as the right to vote. While the right to vote, which is not a natural right but one granted by a governing body, must be granted prudently, the right to life, which is a natural right, is universal for all human beings, period!
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I don’t agree. Ever heard of the term inalienable (or unalienable as some believe)rights?

That come from their creator?

From wikipedia:
The term inalienable rights (or unalienable rights) refers to a theoretical set of individual human rights that by their nature cannot be taken away, violated, or transferred from one person to another. They are considered more fundamental than alienable rights, such as rights in a specific piece of property.
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Inalienable (Individual) Rights are: natural rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are the most fundamental set of human rights, natural means not-granted nor conditional. They are applicable only to humans, as the basic necessity of their survival.
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“Inalienable” (or “unalienable”) is a term borrowed from English common law. Some property rights were alienable (they could be sold or granted) and some were inalienable (they could only be inherited according to fixed rule).
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“Alienable” legally is something that can have a lien placed on it and thus that lien can be revoked, a-lien-able. Therefore, if something is in-a-lien-able condition that condition can be revoked. If something is un-a-lien-able “unalienable”, no lien can ever be placed on it in the first place.
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The correct word is “unalienable”. The differences of these two words is vast and profound. Accepting the term inalienable literally means accepting the theory that rights are granted through the sufferance of some superior human power, rather than through their immanence in Nature (arising from the ordering of things, or through human nature), thus being self-evident, appertaining perfectly and equally to all people.
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In modern usage, however, the terms “unalienable” and “inalienable” are often thought to be synonyms; and it is likely that reference to “inalienable” rights is actually a reference to the concept of “unalienable” rights. Though this is incorrect usage, it is increasingly common.
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Full article:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inalienable_rights
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
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Starwynd said:
But you should know that Germany is considering giving toddlers the right to vote.
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oh yes, of course they nowadays even might vote for milk or chocolate - and depending on being upright and fulltime original Germans, thy might even vote for marmalade or jam. Gouvernement is still not sure to let them vote for or against Pampers
 
All human life is a gift from God beginning at conception, whether they are wanted or unwanted by their mothers. God loves us all.
Our free will, given by God, always triumphs over His, unless we ask God to allow His Divine Will to direct us and our lives. And we must ask continually, “Heavenly Father take my will and make it Thine Own today and in every present moment.”
Every abortion changes history in some way because of that unfulfilled life, and only God knows what the outcome of the life would have been.

Pray for the unborn and their mothers. In our area, there is an organization for mothers who have had abortions called Project Rachel. It is a wonderfully supportive organization run by the Catholic Church
Jesus, protect and save the unborn. :signofcross:
 
snickerdoodle said:
All human life is a gift from God beginning at conception, whether they are wanted or unwanted by their mothers. God loves us all.
Our free will, given by God, always triumphs over His, unless we ask God to allow His Divine Will to direct us and our lives. And we must ask continually, “Heavenly Father take my will and make it Thine Own today and in every present moment.”
Every abortion changes history in some way because of that unfulfilled life, and only God knows what the outcome of the life would have been.

Pray for the unborn and their mothers. In our area, there is an organization for mothers who have had abortions called Project Rachel. It is a wonderfully supportive organization run by the Catholic Church
Jesus, protect and save the unborn. :signofcross:
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Welcome and thank you for your wonderful post.👍
 
Bruno, I was sorry to hear about your son, may God rest his soul.
I think you are right about us being God’s idea, it says in the Bible that He knew us before He formed us in our Mother’s wombs. I will keep you and your family in my prayers, may you have God’s peace.
(your chocolate and pampers made me laugh, but…seriously we may as well let toddlers vote, if you know what I mean.😃 ) O.K. I’m kidding, sort of.😛
 
Insurance companies declare if an accident occurs and a pregnant woman loses her developing baby,that baby is counted as a life. We were assured when this awful decision came down from on high that abortions will make every child a wanted child.Now lets see,have we noticed any less child abuse these past 30 years,I am sure we have for no apology has been forthcoming from our rulers! The same brilliant thinking heads also assured us by legalizing pornogrophy there will be less rapes etc.for the poor souls will be satisfied viewing the garbage…I am sure it is much more safer then ever walking the streets,joggng thru the public park…and so it goes…we luv you big brudder…now tell us how we rotten misquided humans are ruining the earth…
 
Hello Bruno,

I am of the opinion that all of us are predestined by God, His idea.
We are given life not to live by man’s standards, but to fulfill God’s plan for us. And the way we do that is to ask our Heavenly Father every day that we live in His Will, not our own.
 
allhers said:
it says in the Bible that He knew us before He formed us in our Mother’s wombs
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Thank’s a lot for the rest of your words, but that what you said above, is exactly what we hardly ever consider. And it’s so important and of a huge relevance to abortion (which is a ridiculous word for murder of unborn)
 
Bruno_Schulz said:
Thank’s a lot for the rest of your words, but that what you said above, is exactly what we hardly ever consider. And it’s so important and of a huge relevance to abortion (which is a ridiculous word for murder of unborn)
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I agree, a lot of people apparently don’t read what God has to say about it, to their own sin and shame. ’
I like what snickerdoodle said too!!
 
Nino said:
Insurance companies declare if an accident occurs and a pregnant woman loses her developing baby,that baby is counted as a life. We were assured when this awful decision came down from on high that abortions will make every child a wanted child.Now lets see,have we noticed any less child abuse these past 30 years,I am sure we have for no apology has been forthcoming from our rulers! The same brilliant thinking heads also assured us by legalizing pornogrophy there will be less rapes etc.for the poor souls will be satisfied viewing the garbage…I am sure it is much more safer then ever walking the streets,joggng thru the public park…and so it goes…we luv you big brudder…now tell us how we rotten misquided humans are ruining the earth…
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…and the same “brilliant” idea about artificial birth control and look at all the diseases we have now, HIV, etc…apparently their way isn’t working, keep praying that they (the culture of death) will see the Light!!
 
At conception.

You can start working back from the moment of birth … a baby is always a human being.

I was listening to talk radio one day a long time ago, and Ed Koch, the former mayor of New York City was being interviewed. He is extremely liberal and is extremely articulate in his political beliefs. He vigorously denounced partial-birth abortion as nothing less that infanticide and was even very agitated at the left’s attempts to disguise infanticide as something innocuous by calling it “partial birth abortion”.

So we can start with a fully-developed baby ready to be born and work backwards … at every stage in its development, a baby is a human being … and therefore fully worthy of having human rights.

In fact, if a pregnant woman is killed and the baby dies, then the person responsible for her death is also charged with the death of the baby.

The baby in the womb is a human being with full human rights.

If we can grant protection to birds’ eggs, then why not to human babies?

I read somewhere today that 25% … one fourth … of all pregnancies in the United States end with the deliberate abortion of the baby. Which makes the womb the most dangerous plane in the country.
I just checked at a pro-abortion Web site:

INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

• Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion. [endnote refers to the year 2005]
 
** …and we know from (among other Verses of the Bible) Jeremiah 1,5 that we lay in the intention of God long before we are born and abortion is as a consequence proofed not only murder, but destroying the plans of God; a crime before God of deathly dimension to those commiting it as to those who not condemn such doing.
It is NOT up to the idividual to decide! Giving it free by law, is mass-murder, a guilt the world already put upon all of us.

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in your mothers womb I knew you!”**
 
Starwynd said:
Okay, if babies have full rights as adult humans then they should be allowed to vote. Allowed to drink smoke and drive a car at any age.

After all, there is no difference between a baby an an adult.
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You are absolutely right. They could do as good a job as some adults.:rolleyes:
 
Starwynd said:
Okay, if babies have full rights as adult humans then they should be allowed to vote. Allowed to drink smoke and drive a car at any age.

After all, there is no difference between a baby an an adult.
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Brenda_V said:
Actually babies whose moms “want them” from the time of birth have the same protection, they also have protection from bodily harm by law!

Brenda V.
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I believe legally in some states that protection starts at about seven, or eighth months in the womb. An individual causing the death of the baby at that time can be brought up on charges of at least manslaughter.
 
Biggie said:
A right does not bestow an ability.

The phrase “human rights” is just a way to try to innoculate and confuse the “beginning of life” dilemna abortion advocates find themselves in. If they would merely concede that abortion is murder, the dilemna would end, but another obvious problem would emerge - they would be advocating murder. So they desperately need to find a euphemism that allows their conscience to escape.
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Amen to that.👍
 
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