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Charles_Darwin
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Yep better to stone kids.
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Charles_Darwin
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Or kill everyone that works on a sunday
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liquidpele
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!!!
Perhaps I misunderstood your comment… could you please elaborate?? Because as is, you sound a bit insane.
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fish90
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What do you Atheists and/or Agnostics believe about eternity? Where do you go after you die? Would not science confirm that right and wrong are necessary and that a relativist view of the world is to be understood as rather wrong?
Faith always grows. We all struggle for what we believe in at a point in our lives. Please remember my fellow Atheist and Agnostic posters that you have a religion, but one without a supreme being. Please remember that theism has been pondered about through all of modern times. Science does not answer everything.
May God bless you with a faith that does not doubt and never wavers.
Faith always grows. We all struggle for what we believe in at a point in our lives. Please remember my fellow Atheist and Agnostic posters that you have a religion, but one without a supreme being. Please remember that theism has been pondered about through all of modern times. Science does not answer everything.
May God bless you with a faith that does not doubt and never wavers.
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Charles_Darwin
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Guess i must be a special atheist for I dont have a religion.
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fish90
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Respectfully, please read: dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Belief: No God
Practice: “Evangelizing” that there is no God
Ritual Observance: None
Body of Believers: Rather large
Devotion: Strong about the “non-existence” of God
Atheism and Agnosticism are religions. Only they are not mainstream.
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Charles_Darwin
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I have really had it with repeating this, i must have had to explain this 100 times…
I do not believe THERE IS NO GOD. I lack a belief in a god.
Atheist… youtube.com/watch?v=200qAsgpfwU
Belief: NONE
Practice: NONE
Ritual Observance: NONE
Body of disbelievers: Rather large (and getting larger all the time)
Devotion: NONE
atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/AtheismReligion.htm
“Many Christians seem to believe that atheism is a religion, but no one with a fair understanding of both concepts would make such a mistake. Because it’s such a common claim, though, it’s worth demonstrating the depth and breadth of the errors being made. Presented here are the characteristics which best define religions, distinguishing them from other types of belief systems, and how atheism utterly fails to even remotely match any of them.”
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Dameedna
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Religion is an interesting topic, as it’s a phenomenom of man, and has evolved along side our society. History is also interesting, as we can learn from our mistakes and create a better world for ourselves. Philosophy is espcially interesting.One of the Hypocracies of Athiesim, why are you Fighting something that you Believe Doesn’t exist. All the Effort to drag us down, if your philosophy were true, you wouldn’t even care about this subject. G-d Is drawing you to him, why else are you here? If your here out of SPITE to attack us, then you must look at yourself. Its not that G-d Doesn’t exist. It’s that you refuse to acknowledge his existence.
Some people have interest in these subjects, as others are more interested in art, literature or snowboarding.
Is it the “snowboard” that magically draws people to snowboarding? No, nor is it God that 'draws" me to philisophical questions. It human nature that I’m interested in, and human nature that I feel “drawn” to understand in the same way some people feel “drawn” to understand the underlying features of our universe. Everyone has their interest.
And once more, I cannot “refuse” to acknowlege somethings existance, when it doesn’t exist.
I’m not sure where your spiteful comments came from. There’s nothing spiteful about my statments, I’m just explaining what is or is not logical to an athiest.I usually only ever say these things, when some-one else makes assumptions about athiests that are wrong. IE I’m responding to some-one elses comments.
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Dameedna
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Ah, but there is proof of a Holocaust, and no proof of a God.
An athiest would be very moved by “proof” of a God.
Humans cannot survive if we believe what we want to. Wishing a God to exist, wishing a God incarnate, wishing for an eternal life and an ultimate justice is understandable.
But some of us, will not simply believe what we want to. We recognize that this is how humanity gets itself into trouble. The universe doesn’t give two hoots what humans want to believe, neither does truth care about what we choose to believe(as a concept).
One does not wake up one day and go “woop, I’m going to blink out of existance and none of this matters”. What we realize, is that no matter how much we want something to be true, if it isn’t…then we must deal with it.
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Dameedna
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Exactly
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reggieM
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Yours is a different and much more thoughtful attitude than what we usually find from atheists on CAF.
For example, a person may be interested in art or snowboarding and then join a discussion group that has lovers of those activities talking about great art or how to snowboard.
Another person may not want to go snowboarding, but still want to learn about it.
That would be the atheists who may be interested in God and religion and who join CAF to learn about what Catholic believers think and believe. Those are very rare to find.
What we do find, however, are people who hate art or snowboarding (by analogy). They join a snowboarding list and proclaim that snowboarding doesn’t really exist and that the people who love it are fools. They express their anger and hostility towards snowboarding, and then claim to be misunderstood. They don’t want to learn about snowboards or techniques at all. They just simply take one position of denial, hostility and opposition.
That says a lot. Those are people who cannot discuss the topic or learn from it. They cannot be open to others who love God and love the Catholic Faith. They lack the reciprocity that is needed for a discussion.
Now perhaps the people who hate art or snowboarding want their ideas accepted and understood by the people who love art or snowboarding on their respective discussion forums.
Well, obviously, in order to have anti-God views respected on a forum that has people who love God, you have to build some kind of trust or friendship. You have to have some kind of coherent reason for why you want to do nothing but spread hatred of the topic that people join here to discuss.
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Charles_Darwin
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Yep, and you also get those that are fed up of snowboarders telling them the have no morals, and they hate the great snowboarder in the sky, and thats the only reason they can accept the reality of this magical invisible snowboarder.
Then they want evolution taken out of biology class and replaced with snowboarding lessons. They don’t think their snowboarding clubs should pay tax. They dont want anyone to anything but snowboarding on a sunday bacause their in their snowboarding manual it says to stone to death anyone that does anything other then snowboarding on a sunday.
Maybe the snowboarders can’t see just how offensive they can be?
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Charlemagne_II
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Dameedna
*An athiest would be very moved by “proof” of a God. *
Why do you think so? What kind of proof are you talking about? Would an atheist be impressed by a miracle, for example, or would he rationalize the miracle as something science could not explain at the present time, but will be able to explain in the future? If God appeared and spoke in person to an atheist, would he be moved, or would he conclude he had been hallucinating? If he prayed to be granted a wish and God granted his wish, would this be a proof, or would the atheist conclude that it was a coincidence that he got what he wanted after he prayed for it?
I think atheism is in the will, rather than in the intellect. No proof would be satisfactory to an atheist because he does not want to believe, and therefore would never be moved.
Let me know of a proof that you think would move an atheist.
*An athiest would be very moved by “proof” of a God. *
Why do you think so? What kind of proof are you talking about? Would an atheist be impressed by a miracle, for example, or would he rationalize the miracle as something science could not explain at the present time, but will be able to explain in the future? If God appeared and spoke in person to an atheist, would he be moved, or would he conclude he had been hallucinating? If he prayed to be granted a wish and God granted his wish, would this be a proof, or would the atheist conclude that it was a coincidence that he got what he wanted after he prayed for it?
I think atheism is in the will, rather than in the intellect. No proof would be satisfactory to an atheist because he does not want to believe, and therefore would never be moved.
Let me know of a proof that you think would move an atheist.
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liquidpele
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Actually… I’d probably be moved by just paranormal activity. If someone could see the future, or tell me things they couldn’t possibly know, or move things with their mind, or any other seemingly impossible things I would be very open to further cases of what I consider magic. Would I be certain? Probably not, but it would be enough for me to believe. Jesus riding a flaming unicorn down from the heavens and giving me the best tasting chocolate chip cookie I’ve ever had would do it for sure though… assuming I wasn’t taking some powerful drugs at the time anyway.
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j1akey
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Charlemagne II:
On the same token if we were to be able to somehow go back in time with our technology to say a 2 or 3 thousand years ago would we appear as gods to the people of that time with out cars, computer, jets, and whatever else we could bring?
You know, I hate to say it but you’re probably right. There probably isn’t anything that can make me believe in any kind of god no matter what was presented to me. I don’t know why but you made remember a character from Star Trek: TNG named Q. All powerful? All knowing? For all intents and purposes yes. Creator of all that is? Nope. It just makes me think that if we were to encounter a race of sufficiently advanced beings other than ourselves, would we label them as gods because they’re so far advanced beyond ourselves that we couldn’t tell the difference? I know I’m straying off course here a bit with all the sci-fi alien stuff but that’s kind of how I look at it.
On the same token if we were to be able to somehow go back in time with our technology to say a 2 or 3 thousand years ago would we appear as gods to the people of that time with out cars, computer, jets, and whatever else we could bring?
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Dameedna
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This is a good post.
Do you think I’m trying to spread hate?
Now you’ve said people have anti-God views. No athiest has anti-God views. We don’t wake up one day and go, oh goody, I’m going to die and the universe is meaningless. We ARE often against religious people, for some very good reasons. Because many religious people reject truth and seem to hate mankind. So when we see suicide bombers, when we see 12 yr old girls being married into polygomy, when we see powerful priests, created that way by a church hierachy buggering children, we are very very glad we are not religious.
To be religious is to reject love and our shared humanity.
If we were religious we would be to either accept these things or accept the belief/church and entity that leads to them. A belief that cannot be verified, but can be used to hurt humanity. We won’t hurt people for the sake of a BELIEF, no matter what it threatens us with(hell) or promises us.(heaven)
I am glad I am not religious if it means supporting what people support. I’d rather remove myself from life, than hate that badly, it’s just…not worth it. I reject Jihad in exactly the same way I reject condeming a sexual orientation. It’s not worth hurting people over a rule that can and should be challenged.
No human can decide for me, what is right or wrong.
I give it up any dream of immortality before I will go against my concsience.
That is athiesm, to me.
Cheers
P.S Yes I know you say that my “conscience” comes from God and that if I just listend to it harder, I’d agree with you and your religion. It doesn’t quite work that way.
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fish90
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I will pray for all of you.
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liquidpele
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I will now program God version 1.0 to answer your prayers.
It’s guaranteed to be correct about 50% of the time. And yes, it’s vulnerable to a stack smashing
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
int main(void)
{
char[500] a;
int b;
printf(“Please enter your question for God: “);
scanf(”%s”, &a);
b = random(1);
if(b) print “Yes”;
else print “No”;
return 0;
}
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Charlemagne_II
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Dameedna
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To be religious is to reject love and our shared humanity.*
Are you talking about the Sermon on the Mount? Are you talking about “Love one another as I have loved you”? Are you talking about forgiving our enemies “seventy times seven times”? Are you talking about “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?” Are you talking about all those hospitals and charity organizations founded to help the poor and the sick? Are you talking about all those orphanages for abandoned children? Are you talking about all those prison ministries everywhere in the world? Are you talking about all the wicked universities founded and nurtured throughout history by the Catholic Church?
Exactly whose Gospels have you been reading, and what religion are you talking about?
Sounds like you are speaking of that damnably cruel atheist the Marquis de Sade, rather than a few buggering priests (atheists, of course, never bugger, or kill, or lie, or steal; and of course they have built oh so many hospitals and shelters for the poor and orphanages for abandoned children, and they have counseled oh so many men and women in prison and founded oh so many famous universities all through history.
Whew!
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To be religious is to reject love and our shared humanity.*
Are you talking about the Sermon on the Mount? Are you talking about “Love one another as I have loved you”? Are you talking about forgiving our enemies “seventy times seven times”? Are you talking about “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?” Are you talking about all those hospitals and charity organizations founded to help the poor and the sick? Are you talking about all those orphanages for abandoned children? Are you talking about all those prison ministries everywhere in the world? Are you talking about all the wicked universities founded and nurtured throughout history by the Catholic Church?
Exactly whose Gospels have you been reading, and what religion are you talking about?
Sounds like you are speaking of that damnably cruel atheist the Marquis de Sade, rather than a few buggering priests (atheists, of course, never bugger, or kill, or lie, or steal; and of course they have built oh so many hospitals and shelters for the poor and orphanages for abandoned children, and they have counseled oh so many men and women in prison and founded oh so many famous universities all through history.
Whew!
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Angel7
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The Catholic Church is not moved by “Magic”. It’s Called Faith.
If Paranormal Activity moves you, Research the Marian apparitions at Fatima Portugal.
The Great Aurora of 1939 that was the Sign of WW2. The Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate heart of Mary, where 1 year later, Communist Russia soon Collapsed, and over 70 dictatorships worldwide fell in that year. (in 1980’s)
There are plenty of Miracles. The Sun danced during the Marian Apparition in Portugal (1917)
There are plenty of Miracles go look it up.
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