Atheism: The Stars Are On Our Side

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Nice video… A thought to consider: with all those stars, chances are that from some place in the universe, looking at the stars in one specific direction, we would see some bright stars, which would spell out in plain English:

**“I do not exist, have never existed, and do not plan to exist! -God”. **

Would that be taken as a “proof” that God exists? Or a “proof” that God does not exist? Fun to contemplate. 🙂
 
Charles_Darwin said:
One has to wonder why god made the cosmos the EXACT way it would have to be if god doesn’t exist???

youtube.com/watch?v=3M21xFVwL8c
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I am sorry, but can you reword that to make it more coherent?

I don’t mean any offense-
English is my second language and I don’t quite understand what you are saying. :confused:

It seems like you are appealing to circular reasoning, but I cannot quite make out what exactly you’re saying.

If you are saying what I think you are, which is,

Why would God make the universe in a way that would make Him not necessary

then it would seem that you are assuming that God’s existence wouldn’t be necessary.
 
Kamalayka said:
I am sorry, but can you reword that to make it more coherent?

I don’t mean any offense-
English is my second language and I don’t quite understand what you are saying. :confused:

It seems like you are appealing to circular reasoning, but I cannot quite make out what exactly you’re saying.

If you are saying what I think you are, which is,

Why would God make the universe in a way that would make Him not necessary

then it would seem that you are assuming that God’s existence wouldn’t be necessary.
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That would be an invalid statement, because (assuming God does exist), space, time, matter, and energy would be completely dependent on His will.
 
Darwin,

If you never got a definition of God, how can you argue that there isn’t one?
 
If you haven’t seen it yet, introducing the Hubble ultra-deep field in… 3D!!!

wimp.com/hubblefield/

However, I think that the notion of “sides” is fairly immature. The question should not be if you’re in the right group, but whether you are being honest with yourself about your beliefs given the reality and evidence presented.
 
We didn’t know the stars were uncountable until just recently, but scripture told us that thousands of years ago.
 
liquidpele said:
If you haven’t seen it yet, introducing the Hubble ultra-deep field in… 3D!!!

wimp.com/hubblefield/

However, I think that the notion of “sides” is fairly immature. The question should not be if you’re in the right group, but whether you are being honest with yourself about your beliefs given the reality and evidence presented.
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Yes. I was raised as an atheist and a materialist,

I questioned myself and was honest with reality,

and now I believe in God.​

On a side note, when I was an atheist, I did not fear death at all. I simply saw it as “falling asleep.” You slowly drift off, and while it seems scary thinking about it to some people, when you are in bed tonight and are actually in between awake and asleep, it seems ok.

I had no “motivation” to want to believe in God. I just (to put it as you say), “was honest with myself about my beliefs, given the reality and evidence presented.”

And, by the grace of God, I profess the following:
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**1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
9. the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,
10. the forgiveness of sins,
11. the resurrection of the body,
12. and the life everlasting.
          Amen!**
(On post #5, I quoted myself accidentally.)
 
buffalo said:
We didn’t know the stars were uncountable until just recently, but scripture told us that thousands of years ago.
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It also said the stars would fall to the Earth, what’s your point? (Revelation 6:13).
 
Kamalayka said:
Yes. I was raised as an atheist and a materialist,

I questioned myself and was honest with reality,

and now I believe in God.

On a side note, when I was an atheist, I did not fear death at all. I simply saw it as “falling asleep.” You slowly drift off, and while it seems scary thinking about it to some people, when you are in bed tonight and are actually in between awake and asleep, it seems ok.

I had no “motivation” to want to believe in God. I just (to put it as you say), “was honest with myself about my beliefs, given the reality and evidence presented.”
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So, what changed your mind?
Kamalayka said:
And, by the grace of God, I profess the following:
Code: 
**1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
9. the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,
10. the forgiveness of sins,
11. the resurrection of the body,
12. and the life everlasting.
          Amen!**
(On post #5, I quoted myself accidentally.)
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I’m confused why you felt you needed to profess that. If your Catholic, of course you would believe those things else you would not be a very good Catholic.
 
Oh come on! How do you come to this knowledge? What should they look like if he did exist?

In all honesty this seems like the atheistic equivelent of the “god is a square circle” arguemnt.

For shame…you guys can do a lot better then this.
 
liquidpele said:
However, I think that the notion of “sides” is fairly immature. The question should not be if you’re in the right group, but whether you are being honest with yourself about your beliefs given the reality and evidence presented.
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But then, welcome to modern day reality. 😃
 
James_S_Saint said:
But then, welcome to modern day reality. 😃
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The problem is that Christians are always inclined to ditch their beliefs.
  1. Because it requires believing some truths like the trinity that are above human reason, and we do not like doing this, it is a knock to our pride.
  2. To conform with the rest of the world, because psychologically everyone has a desire to belong.
  3. Because it involves self-sacrifice, and calls for a death to self.
  4. If your Christian you acknowledge the disordered appetites due to original sin, and not to mention the temptations from the diabolic.
In all honesty, I don’t think any Christian, has not some days where he is clinging on to his beliefs just on faith alone. I know I have had periods where I have felt my faith being ripped out from underneath my feet. This does not say anything about the truth of the Christian faith though, because if Christianity is true such difficulties are expected.
 
MindOverMatter said:
And what way would it have to be if God didn’t exist? How have you come to knowledge of this?
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It would probably be the way it is now, or a similar way that requires no divine (name removed by moderator)ut. I look at the universe, and I see that everything seems to be explainable by naturalist principles. This, plus Occam’s Razor, is why I don’t believe in God.
 
liquidpele said:
If you haven’t seen it yet, introducing the Hubble ultra-deep field in… 3D!!!

wimp.com/hubblefield/

However, I think that the notion of “sides” is fairly immature. The question should not be if you’re in the right group, but whether you are being honest with yourself about your beliefs given the reality and evidence presented.
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Why did he say that some galaxies are moving away faster than the speed of light???
 
Shredderbeam said:
It would probably be the way it is now, or a similar way that requires no divine (name removed by moderator)ut. I look at the universe, and I see that everything seems to be explainable by naturalist principles. This, plus Occam’s Razor, is why I don’t believe in God.
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Do “principles” exist in physical nature?
 
Matthias123 said:
In all honesty, I don’t think any Christian, has not some days where he is clinging on to his beliefs just on faith alone. I know I have had periods where I have felt my faith being ripped out from underneath my feet. This does not say anything about the truth of the Christian faith though, because if Christianity is true such difficulties are expected.
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You should be happy when this happens!

Here is what I mean:

There is a lot of atheism and materialism in the world. We have a “God-shaped” hole in our heart, and when people realize that this “hole” can’t be filled with creatures, they become sad.​

In other words, God is allowing you to partake in a form of suffering that so many souls today around the world have to experience. Instead of being sad about it, you should thank God that He has allowed you this form of suffering. Offer it as a form of penance and rejoice!

This is how, in the everyday mundane things of life, we are called to practice heroic virtue. In your particular case, God is calling you to heroically practice the virtue of faith.

You can’t have courage unless you first have fear,
You can’t be a hero without first facing fear,
And you can’t have a victory without first having a battle!
 
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