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Podo2004:
What raping of 32,000 virgins at God’s Command, i must have missed it, show me it! Please…
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Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
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Podo2004:
NOTHING WILL MAKE ME CHANGE my belief.
Which means you are not arivving at the point using reason. Reason is open to changes in viewpoint if the current viewpoint can be shown to be wrong.

What you have is Dogma, pure and simple. This is why I am not a Theist. I can’t just believe in something because I have to believe it.
 
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Podo2004:
YOU AND ALL THE OTHER ATHEISTS HAVEN’T READ THE BIBLE.
On the contrary, I did read the bible. One of the reasons I turned to atheism.
 
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Podo2004:
What’s your point Booger? To prove that God was a mass murderer?
You’ve interpreted it wrong… It is Man’s fault in the first place, not God’s. Man does wrong. All the punishments from God(were given because the idiots sinned) stopped when Jesus Christ died for our sins. He died because he LOVED us. That stopped the punishments and it showed love, BUT man continued to sin and do wrong. You can try all you like, but NOTHING WILL MAKE ME CHANGE my belief. YOU AND ALL THE OTHER ATHEISTS HAVEN’T READ THE BIBLE. YOU TAKE THE PARTS WHERE IT SPEAKS OF EVIL AND COMBINE IT TOGETHER ON ONE WEBPAGE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE GOD IS AN IDIOT AND A MASS MURDERER! SHAME ON YOU!!!:mad: :tsktsk:
I’m no psychologist, but this whole post seems like a classical case of projection. I also think it is the knee-jerk reaction of somebody that was unprepared for their dogma to take a near fatal blow and also exposing their lack of knowledge of the Bible, the instruction manual of their religion (which they should know better).
 
BTW Podo2004, writing in all caps is the online equivalent to screaming at the top of your lungs.
 
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Monarchy:
Never really ‘had God’ in the first place. I’ve prayed and all that, and have never ‘felt anything’. I find some (not all) of the stories in the Bible to be silly, or just plain horrifing.

The problem I have is that everyone says that “something cannot come from nothing”. But as soon as I say “Okay, who created God then?” the Xain logic breaks down.
It breaks down to our limited intellectual capability, which is being humble and understanding we really know very little. Some scientists believe there may be up to 10 dimensions. Try this - imagine the 8th dimension. So limiting ourselves to what we can observe and prove leaves alot of unknowns out there. What we discover has been revealed to us. We know more scientifically today, than in the past - what we do not know is how much there is to know.

How does someone find God?
MAN’S CAPACITY FOR GOD

I. THE DESIRE FOR GOD

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The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for:
[39](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/29.htm’)😉 But this “intimate and vital bond of man to God” (GS 19 § 1) can be forgotten, overlooked, or even explicitly rejected by man.3 Such attitudes can have different causes: revolt against evil in the world; religious ignorance or indifference; the cares and riches of this world; the scandal of bad example on the part of believers; currents of thought hostile to religion; finally, that attitude of sinful man which makes him hide from God out of fear and flee his call.4

I. WAYS OF COMING TO KNOW GOD

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Created in God’s image and called to know and love him, the person who seeks God discovers certain ways of coming to know him. These are also called proofs for the existence of God, not in the sense of proofs in the natural sciences, but rather in the sense of “converging and convincing arguments”, which allow us to attain certainty about the truth. These “ways” of approaching God from creation have a twofold point of departure: the physical world, and the human person.
 
[2](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/32.htm’)😉 The world: starting from movement, becoming, contingency, and the world’s order and beauty, one can come to a knowledge of God as the origin and the end of the universe.

As St. Paul says of the Gentiles: For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.7 And St. Augustine issues this challenge: Question the beauty of the earth, question the beauty of the sea, question the beauty of the air distending and diffusing itself, question the beauty of the sky. . . question all these realities. All respond: “See, we are beautiful.” Their beauty is a profession [confessio]. These beauties are subject to change. Who made them if not the Beautiful One [Pulcher] who is not subject to change?8
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**[33](javascript:openWindow('cr/33.htm');)** The *human person*: with his openness to truth and beauty, his sense of moral goodness, his freedom and the voice of his conscience, with his longings for the infinite and for happiness, man questions himself about God's existence. In all this he discerns signs of his spiritual soul. The soul, the "seed of eternity we bear in ourselves, irreducible to the merely material",9 can have its origin only in God.
[34](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/34.htm’)😉 The world, and man, attest that they contain within themselves neither their first principle nor their final end, but rather that they participate in Being itself, which alone is without origin or end. Thus, in different ways, man can come to know that there exists a reality which is the first cause and final end of all things, a reality “that everyone calls God”.10

[35](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/35.htm’)😉 Man’s faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith. The proofs of God’s existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.
 
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Monarchy:
BTW Podo2004, writing in all caps is the online equivalent to screaming at the top of your lungs.
Sorry Monarchy and everyone else, i was just pissed off that time and wanted to shout at everyone. Please except for apology.

Podo2004:blessyou:
 
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AnAtheist:
On the contrary, I did read the bible. One of the reasons I turned to atheism.
But why turn to atheism? Sorry i shouted(or it looked like i shouted lol), i was a bit pissed off at the time and couldn’t help it. Anyway most of the storys are good, they’re not bad. Most of the evil in the bible was commited by man if you read it carefully, which i just did.
 
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Podo2004:
But why turn to atheism? Sorry i shouted(or it looked like i shouted lol), i was a bit pissed off at the time and couldn’t help it. Anyway most of the storys are good, they’re not bad. Most of the evil in the bible was commited by man if you read it carefully, which i just did.
It’s not a turning to atheism, it’s a realization that God cannot exist based on the tantamount of paradoxes and Biblical contradiction. It’s not like I enjoy the prospect of no afterlife, but I can’t help seeing it any other way.
 
G.K. Chesterton put it well:
“If there were no God there would be no atheists.”
 
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dredgtone:
It’s not a turning to atheism, it’s a realization that God cannot exist based on the tantamount of paradoxes and Biblical contradiction. It’s not like I enjoy the prospect of no afterlife, but I can’t help seeing it any other way.
But what if there is an afterlife? It seems to me it’s safest to bet that there is and then to try to find out if there are any practical implications of that in this life.
 
There is far too much “evidence” of the existence of a supernatural creator - God - to ever consider something so hollow as atheism.
The sheer order in the universe is ample example.
But more than anything, this truth must be admitted: Something cannot come from nothing!
To defend atheism the most basic question can never be answered:
WHERE did every"thing" start? WHERE did it come from?

We come from and understand a material world. A world where everything has beginning. A world that is bound by “time.”

God is not bound by time. In eternity everything is an "eternal now."

The other significant problem of atheism - setting aside the problem of the material world - is the obvious spiritual part of man.
It is for instance, *understood *in human beings that we have an incredible hunger to be LOVED. To be accepted. To be wanted and needed. What is this powerful thing that binds us all together? You cannot see it, nor order it in a store, nor demand it in any way. It must be given. And when it is withheld - we protest. We might cry. We might get angry. We might feel that things are not “fair.” Based on what? If there is nothing higher or greater than us to appeal to and be held accountable to - then all life is for naught. And we know that is not true. It is stamped into us as human beings - this knowledge and understanding and hunger of and for LOVE. That LOVE is a someone. Someone, as St. Augustine says of: “Our souls are restless until they rest in you O Lord.”
And he also so rightly said, “You are either moving toward Him - or away from Him - but always, HE is at the center…”

The evidence for God is all around us. The order and organization (and not chaos) of the natural world and human life is
so obviously evident of a good Creator. And in our ordered world He breathed his life and Spirit into us - and that is His unending LOVE. Which we will only know the fullness of in heaven.
Something every human being is in constant search of their entire life. (Often seeking it in the wrong and futile places)

Personally, I do not believe there is such a thing as an atheist.
There is no evidence for it.
But there is plenty of evidence for a loving Creator!
Praise be to God!
Let us pray for all those who are confused that their souls are satisified with the truth of the living God.
 
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K777angel:
There is far too much “evidence” of the existence of a supernatural creator - God - to ever consider something so hollow as atheism.
Please present the evidence or drop your argument. Atheism is hollow? Please explain.
The sheer order in the universe is ample example.
But more than anything, this truth must be admitted: Something cannot come from nothing!
To defend atheism the most basic question can never be answered:
WHERE did every"thing" start? WHERE did it come from?
What evidence? Please explain. Something cannot come from nothing? Please describe “nothing”. What is “nothing”? You know, defending atheism has nothing to do with “where did it come from?” If defending atheism relies on anything, it would be on exposing the logical fallacies employed by theists.
We come from and understand a material world. A world where everything has beginning. A world that is bound by “time.”

God is not bound by time. In eternity everything is an "eternal now."
That is a naked assertion. Prove that your god exists and prove that he is not bound by time.
The other significant problem of atheism - setting aside the problem of the material world - is the obvious spiritual part of man.
What is a spirit? Can you prove the existence of a spirit?
It is for instance, *understood *in human beings that we have an incredible hunger to be LOVED…
All you’ve done is given a bunch of feel good emotional pleas and naked assertions. Prove your god and prove the existence of a soul.
Personally, I do not believe there is such a thing as an atheist.
There is no evidence for it.
Argument from ignorance. “I don’t believe it, therefore it is not true.” No evidence for an atheist? This post is evidence for an atheist. Refute me.
 
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Podo2004:
But why turn to atheism? Sorry i shouted(or it looked like i shouted lol), i was a bit pissed off at the time and couldn’t help it. Anyway most of the storys are good, they’re not bad. Most of the evil in the bible was commited by man if you read it carefully, which i just did.
No offence taken, I know exactly how you felt. 😉
As for the bible, of course there are some good stories, even a lot of good stories in it, from which everybody can learn alot. If the evil described in various stories where copmmited by men or by God himself depend a bit on your view of things. In your worldview God cannot do any evil or is above good and evil since he created both I guess, in mine things look different. Whether Yahwe/Jesus is a good or an evil god is no issue for me. I know some people complaining on how evil the bible god is, but that seems no valid point to me, since IF he existed, this universe would be his playing field anyway, where he makes up the rules.

These are my reasons why reading the bible helped me become an atheist:

  1. *]The god described in the bible is logically impossible.
    *]The bible contains so many contradictions and errors, it cannot possibly be the (inspired or literal) word of an omniscient being.
 
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K777angel:
But more than anything, this truth must be admitted: Something cannot come from nothing!
On the contrary, something can come from nothing. Study relativistic quantum mechanics and the standard model of particle physics.
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K777angel:
To defend atheism the most basic question can never be answered:
WHERE did every"thing" start? WHERE did it come from?
Ergo that question does not need to be answered.
 
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jremb:
G.K. Chesterton put it well:
“If there were no God there would be no atheists.”
And if there were no UFOs, there would be no people not fearing alien abductions.
:rotfl:
 
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AnAtheist:
These are my reasons why reading the bible helped me become an atheist:


  1. *]The god described in the bible is logically impossible.
    *]The bible contains so many contradictions and errors, it cannot possibly be the (inspired or literal) word of an omniscient being.

  1. When you read the Bible did you employ private interpretation?
 
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