Atheists delusional?

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If you think atheism is an insult to you, I’d suggest you seriously check your levels of sensitiveness and your priorities. Atheists don’t tell people to not wear condoms EVER because they know there’s such a thing as AIDS. Atheists don’t tell people homosexuals are wrongly wired because of “sin” in the world. I could go on, the fact that you ignore this but somehow consider atheism an insult says very little about your moral priorities. I find it quite unbelievable that you somehow think you have the moral high ground here.

Atheists don’t just “complain about the bad”, they reach a conclusion based on evidence. That’s it. Some atheists are negative, some are positive, don’t judge all of them based on ONE feature of their personalities.

And “the wedding” analogy is useless, it might have made some (but not a lot) of sense before Darwin, but now we have a rigorous, scientific account of how “the wedding” got organized. It’s called Natural Selection. No God is needed to explain the wedding, and in fact i suspect there is no host to thank for it.
 
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Ah yes, here we go: making this personal. I gotta say that’s a classic in this forum, but it proves nothing.

I have no idea how a reasonable human can conclude that the fact that burning a house down with people in it is wrong proves God exists
 
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I cannot believe this is coming from someone who believes in an unproven deity, has dogmatic beliefs about it and plans their life around what that deity will think about their actions and thoughts.
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I don’t know that God is not real. So perhaps i am delusional, but i don’t know that. A metaphysical naturalist ought to know that any sense of self worth or value that people attribute to themselves is a contrived fantasy or a biologically induced one. If they don’t know that, then they are delusional. And if God does not exist then we are all delusional or liars or both… .
 
Unproven Arguments are hypothesis. The more detailed and reason-backed a hypothesis is, the better chance of being true or at least falsifiable. It’s still a hypothesis
 
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No, it can’t. That’s disrespectful. I’d be flagged and likely suspended if I went about calling Catholics delusional in this forum. So don’t be hypocrites.

Besides, you literally have ZERO proof God exists, so the fact that you claim lack of belief is delusional reflects an arrogance that is, quite frankly, uncalled for and unfit for someone who claims to follow Jesus.
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I think the religion of political correctness hides behind such notions as “I’m offended” or “that’s disrespectful” in an attempt to shut down criticisms it doesn’t like.

I don’t have that religion and so your attempts to shut me down here fail. In fact I criticise you for the attempt.

I fully accept that atheists think Catholics are delusional. That is not disrespectful. That is the logical outworking of their own philosophy. It would be hypocritical if I felt offended or somehow wanted to stop atheists saying this. I don’t and so you are clearly wrong in labelling me as hypocritical over this issue.

Regarding your statement that I have zero (sorry capital ZERO, it must mean you really think this) proof that God exists and so my apparent claim that lack of belief is delusional is itself arrogant :

I think you get so many things wrong here that I am willing to discuss this if you like? Your call.

It is back to the political correct ploy of “you better shut up now, you are crossing lines that my (replacement) religion will not allow”. To such a secular religious adherent the other is always being ‘disrespectful’, ‘arrogant’, ‘offending’ or one of the many invented emotionally moral words in the last dozen years to shut people down while at the same time claiming moral superiority.

No, such moral posturing is clearly incorrect.

Claims are made to be discussed, properly described and explained dispassionately.

Arrogance, or claims to arrogance have no place in such discussions.

I am willing to discuss it all if you wish but politically correct pleas of 'I’m offended", “you’re disrespectful”, :you’re arrogant", “you’re hypocritical” are an excuse to not debate.

Such a religion gets one nowhere. It is a bad philosophy.

Now if you wish to discuss concrete issues, let’s do it. You lead and I will follow,
 
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Curious11 said:
I have no idea how a reasonable human can conclude that the fact that burning a house down with people in it is wrong proves God exists
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If all that exist is physical things i don’t see how you could consider yourself reasonable and at the same time think that burning people alive is immoral. You are clearly not a reasonable person if not dishonest.
 
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You are talking about a scientific hypothesis are you not? Because i have never heard of God being called a hypothesis in any other context.
 
Humongous sigh.

Do you like being burned to death? I bet anything the answer to that is no. Okay, then how about the fact that you don’t want to live in a society where people burn down houses that contain people because it could happen to you? How about basic empathy? How about because you believe innocent humans have a right to live without harm? How about because humans evolved an instinct to life?

Seriously, if that’s supposed to convince me God is real…
 
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Do you like being burned to death?
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It’s not a qeustion of like, its a qeustion of moral truth. Is it true that it is wrong to burn children alive. Yes or no? Not do you like it, or do you not like cheese and pickle sandwiches!!!

If a million people said it was okay, and only one person said they don’t like it, it still tells me nothing about the nature of whats happened.

If a million people say i don’t like it, and only ten say they like it, it doesn’t tell me anything about the nature of whats happened.

People lives either have an object moral value or they don’t. You either recognize peoples true moral dignity or you don’t. Might makes right tells me nothing.
 
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When I look at the western world over the last few hundred years, regimes that have tried to oust Christianity and do their religion through the state do lose any real attachment to transcendent values.

What is left is the idea of power and people when free of transcendent morals have too often been willing to commit horrendous acts in the pursuit of power.

From so many sources the evidence has been that these people who have wished to set us free from the superstition of heaven and hell too frequently manage to create hell here on earth.
 
No i have heard atheists speak of the God hypothesis in a scientific context. But that is not the proper context for questions like God’s existence. It’s a philosophical qeustion. God is not a hypothesis that requires physical evidence in order to become an accepted scientific theory. You are in error if you think this.
 
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Curious11 said:
If you think atheism is an insult to you, I’d suggest you seriously check your levels of sensitiveness and your priorities.
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My priority is to not let people be led astray into the delusion of atheism. And yes Atheism is an insult. It doesn’t seem that way to you because you erroneously think you can have it both ways. You think you can deny God’s existence and at the same time have the fruits of his labor.
 
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Reaching a conclusion you don’t like is not, despite what you seem to hope, the same thing as being unreasonable
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That’s assuming you have reached the conclusion. Science cannot tell us anything about God, and since you let it be known that this is your standard of evidence, i don’t see how a committed atheist could be anything but.unreasonable for committing himself to the belief that he has no objective meaning, moral value, or purpose, and the idea that you going to cease to exist one day.

No sir, you are not rational. You’re absurd.
 
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Whatever let’s you sleep at night. For my part, if he wants me to be a Christian, he better start proving Jesus was God
 
Atheism has more than one definition. But suppose we take: denying the existence of God.

If denying the existence of God is absurd, whats your magic solution to why affirming the existence of God isn’t absurd?
 
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