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They are chemical processes, even with a belief in God.

If you need a God to get you out of bed in the morning, that’s your problem.

I’m banging my head against the wall talking to you. I get it, you need a God and the promise of eternal life to feel good about yourself and to give your life meaning. Your need a God to comfort you when things suck.

Even if this God is invisible and 99.9% of human beings who have ever lived, have never worshiped this particular brand of God, no matter, it is your God and is THE TRUTH.
True, but then the chemical processes don’t have to account for thoughts, feelings, and the will. That is what spirit is for.

If you think that you can continue to hide under your superficial meanings, then that is your problem.

LOL, you think I need God to make myself feel good. Good joke. I need God because He is the only thing that isn’t superficial and He is logically coherent.

So what if He is invisible? makes no difference. Humans have made some awful and stupid mistakes before, and even still, they aren’t perfect. Their pride gets in the way of the Truth. So it doesn’t surprise me that most don’t know God. They don’t want to or they’ve not heard of Him. The first is condemnable. The second is not.
 
Tell me what the church teaches about the age of the earth.
July 2004 statement endorsed by Cardinal Ratzinger, then president of the Commission and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, now Pope Benedict XVI, includes this paragraph:

According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the ‘Big Bang’ and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5 - 4 billion years ago.
 
Ain’t religion great! You can just make stuff up as you go along and no one is the wiser!

I’ve said all I have to say to you, your not listening. I’ve clearly answered your questions, to no effect.
You are really funny you know that? Make stuff up, yes false religion does do that.

Your answers will never satisfy me. I want more than what you have to offer. That is why I’m not an atheist.
 
True, but then the chemical processes don’t have to account for thoughts, feelings, and the will. That is what spirit is for.
Let’s remove your brain and see how many thoughts and feelings you have with that so called spirit of yours.
 
Let’s remove your brain and see how many thoughts and feelings you have with that so called spirit of yours.
So the spirit is bound by matter on Earth. That is a consequence of the Fall, that lesser matter binds greater spirit. True, in the here and now the spirit requires the brain, but that will change in the hereafter.
 
If there is nothing after this life then nothing can have any value.
That’s not true. As human beings wanting to worship something above ourselves, we have set ourselves up for making a difference in the world. Just because we rot in the dirt doesn’t mean we didn’t impact the lives of others around us or even the entire world.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
" There’s nothing anyone could say to me, to get me to change my mind"

Good day, your mind is tuned to one frequency only.
You like misinterpreting what I say don’t you? I did not say no other answer will satisfy me, I said that YOUR answers will not satisfy me. I took what you said and pondered it, but it just isn’t sufficient. It is too shallow.
 
That’s not true. As human beings wanting to worship something above ourselves, we have set ourselves up for making a difference in the world. Just because we rot in the dirt doesn’t mean we didn’t impact the lives of others around us or even the entire world.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
Where does this desire to worship come from? Also, when we no longer exist(Humanity), what would have been the purpose of everything we had done?
 
Where does this desire to worship come from? Also, when we no longer exist(Humanity), what would have been the purpose of everything we had done?
  1. The desire of worship comes from curiosity of our surroundings and fear of what comes after.
  2. Well, we’re stuck here anyways. May as well make the best of it. :yup: I will. 🙂
Ironically Yours. ❤️
 
Veritas…you are not going to change his or her mind. Jesus said “Those who believe will have eternal life”. Thank goodness that we believe and hope one day that atheists come to have faith as well.
 
Chesterton give a good reason why materialism isn’t good enough, I’ll let him explain:

“For we must remember that the materialist philosophy (whether true or not) is certainly much more limiting than any religion. In one sense, of course, all intelligent ideas are narrow. They cannot be broader than themselves. A Christian is only restricted in the same sense that an atheist is restricted. He cannot think Christianity false and continue to be a Christian; and the atheist cannot think atheism false and continue to be an atheist. But as it happens, there is a very special sense in which materialism has more restrictions than spiritualism. Mr. McCabe thinks me a slave because I am not allowed to believe in determinism. I think Mr. McCabe a slave because he is not allowed to believe in fairies. But if we examine the two vetoes we shall see that his is really much more of a pure veto than mine. The Christian is quite free to believe that there is a considerable amount of settled order and inevitable development in the universe. But the materialist is not allowed to admit into his spotless machine the slightest speck of spiritualism or miracle. Poor Mr. McCabe is not allowed to retain even the tiniest imp, though it might be hiding in a pimpernel. The Christian admits that the universe is manifold and even miscellaneous, just as a sane man knows that he is complex. The sane man knows that he has a touch of the beast, a touch of the devil, a touch of the saint, a touch of the citizen. Nay, the really sane man knows that he has a touch of the madman. But the materialist’s world is quite simple and solid, just as the madman is quite sure he is sane. The materialist is sure that history has been simply and solely a chain of causation, just as the interesting person before mentioned is quite sure that he is simply and solely a chicken. Materialists and madmen never have doubts. Spiritual doctrines do not actually limit the mind as do materialistic denials. Even if I believe in immortality I need not think about it. But if I disbelieve in immortality I must not think about it. In the first case the road is open and I can go as far as I like; in the second the road is shut. But the case is even stronger, and the parallel with madness is yet more strange. For it was our case against the exhaustive and logical theory of the lunatic that, right or wrong, it gradually destroyed his humanity. Now it is the charge against the main deductions of the materialist that, right or wrong, they gradually destroy his humanity; I do not mean only kindness, I mean hope, courage, poetry, initiative, all that is human. For instance, when materialism leads men to complete fatalism (as it generally does), it is quite idle to pretend that it is in any sense a liberating force. It is absurd to say that you are especially advancing freedom when you only use free thought to destroy free will. The determinists come to bind, not to loose. They may well call their law the “chain” of causation. It is the worst chain that ever fettered a human being. You may use the language of liberty, if you like, about materialistic teaching, but it is obvious that this is just as inapplicable to it as a whole as the same language when applied to a man locked up in a mad-house. You may say, if you like, that the man is free to think himself a poached egg. But it is surely a more massive and important fact that if he is a poached egg he is not free to eat, drink, sleep, walk, or smoke a cigarette. Similarly you may say, if you like, that the bold determinist speculator is free to disbelieve in the reality of the will. But it is a much more massive and important fact that he is not free to raise, to curse, to thank, to justify, to urge, to punish, to resist temptations, to incite mobs, to make New Year resolutions, to pardon sinners, to rebuke tyrants, or even to say “thank you” for the mustard.” -G.K. Chesterton
 
  1. The desire of worship comes from curiosity of our surroundings and fear of what comes after.
  2. Well, we’re stuck here anyways. May as well make the best of it. :yup: I will. 🙂
Ironically Yours. ❤️
  1. This definition is sufficient.
  2. Nice cop out.
 
Veritas…you are not going to change his or her mind. Jesus said “Those who believe will have eternal life”. Thank goodness that we believe and hope one day that atheists come to have faith as well.
I know that. Atheists need to see that they are destroying themselves. If they refuse to listen, then its their fault. I won’t be faulted for lack of trying.
 
Well you still haven’t answered the second question, just ducked under it.
 
Why do atheists post here?
Why are you interested in atheists ??
Then there are the others who do it to try and challenge the faith and constantly nit pick and want to argue. These types will never see the light.
Suppose everyone is thesame ??
Theway I see it:
Atheists may not insult catholics ,
but also … ,
catholics may not insult atheists !!

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), March 24, 2009
 
I don’t get it. What drives a person to hold on to superficial ideals, ignoring the fact that if their beliefs are true, existence is meaningless in the objective, innate sense, especially when humanity comes to an end. What drives a person to reduce themselves into mere animals by ascribing their thoughts, feelings, and will into mere mindless chemical reactions, that is, denying their own mind. What drives a person to such arrogance that they believe that everything that can be known in the universe can be known by the five senses? What is the driving force behind this? What is the method behind the madness? I don’t get it.:confused:
 
Well you still haven’t answered the second question, just ducked under it.
No, actually I was serious. :yup: The response I gave you was sincere and remains as my final word on the matter. I just couldn’t break it down to you any simpler than that. 🤷
 
I mean overall intelligence, I’m just wondering if you believe you are generally more intelligent than a theist.
Well see the thing is intelligence is alot more complicated that how i think you perceive it to be. I did see some data about religious belief and education level and also another on I.Q and religiosity. So from that data I could say that it is statistically likely that i am “more intelligent” than most religious people. But no doubt there would be brilliant men and women who profess some form of belief in a magical deity of some sort.

That’s about the best i can answer your vary vague question.
 
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