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Blade_and_Blood said:
No, actually I was serious. :yup: The response I gave you was sincere and remains as my final word on the matter. I just couldn’t break it down to you any simpler than that. 🤷
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I’m sorry, but that is just too superficial.
 
Veritas248 said:
I don’t get it. What drives a person to hold on to superficial ideals, ignoring the fact that if their beliefs are true, existence is meaningless in the objective, innate sense, especially when humanity comes to an end. What drives a person to reduce themselves into mere animals by ascribing their thoughts, feelings, and will into mere mindless chemical reactions, that is, denying their own mind. What drives a person to such arrogance that they believe that everything that can be known in the universe can be known by the five senses? What is the driving force behind this? What is the method behind the madness? I don’t get it.:confused:
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If it’s the truth me believing otherwise doesn’t change it. And when one is concerned with the truth even if it hurts if one believes in truth then it must be recognized.
 
alekzander said:
Veritas…you are not going to change his or her mind. Jesus said “Those who believe will have eternal life”. Thank goodness that we believe and hope one day that atheists come to have faith as well.
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Veritas248 said:
I know that. Atheists need to see that they are destroying themselves. If they refuse to listen, then its their fault. I won’t be faulted for lack of trying.
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And it is precisely quotes like this that I am on these forums. It’s like a wacky timewarp to the middle ages… LOVE IT…
 
Abbadon said:
If it’s the truth me believing otherwise doesn’t change it. And when one is concerned with the truth even if it hurts if one believes in truth then it must be recognized.
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Yes, IF, its the truth. How does one come to accept such a belief as the truth? It is degrading and self destroying. It sucks the soul out of life and replaces it with chemicals. I still don’t get it.
 
Abbadon said:
And it is precisely quotes like this that I am on these forums. It’s like a wacky timewarp to the middle ages… LOVE IT…
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If knowing the truth means living in the middle ages, I’ll take it any day over lies.
 
I ask atheists…what about the people who died very cruel death’s in roman arena’s for their christian faith. Did they die for nothing? How do you explain it?
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
You are a very intelligent person. :yup: You’ll figure it out. One day. 🙂

Ironically Yours. ❤️
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Thanks for the compliment, but I don’t think I’ll be able to figure it out. I’ve been trying for years. I’ve always had a curious interest in both Atheism and Agnosticism, but I never could figure out why anyone would entertain such beliefs.
 
I honestly don’t get it either. If you have a choice between hope and no hope…why would you choose no hope. Absolutely mind boggling!
 
alekzander said:
I ask atheists…what about the people who died very cruel death’s in roman arena’s for their christian faith. Did they die for nothing? How do you explain it?
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They didn’t really die in vain. They still made a difference by inspiring others to be passionate about their Christian faith. Once again, everyone has an impact on others’ lives. 🙂

As far as afterlife goes… well, thankfully, the dead can’t come back for a refund. :o
 
Veritas248 said:
Thanks for the compliment, but I don’t think I’ll be able to figure it out. I’ve been trying for years. I’ve always had a curious interest in both Atheism and Agnosticism, but I never could figure out why anyone would entertain such beliefs.
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It takes education, the willingness to listen to others, remembering, and understanding. It’s a tough process, I’ll admit. :o Swallowing pride isn’t the easiest thing to do when you’re so sure of yourself. It’s possible, though. 🙂
 
I think it took more than “inspiration” to die the way they did. These people knew the truth and were willing to suffer unmercifully for it. Thank GOD for the early Christian martyr’s…their faith even changed the hearts of those in the crowds that were cheering for their deaths. To face the deaths they faced and to go as gracefully as they did…talk about heroic.
 
Veritas248 said:
Yes, IF, its the truth. How does one come to accept such a belief as the truth? It is degrading and self destroying. It sucks the soul out of life and replaces it with chemicals. I still don’t get it.
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Evidence.

And I like chemicals, I think chemicals are beautiful magical and awesome. I don’t find it degrading at all. I go to class and at the end of every lecture have my mind recover from an explosion of awesomeness.

The universe is rather awesome if you give it a chance, you don’t need fairytales to make it more so. I find the known amazing enough the unknown does not do it for me, mysteries and all that jaz, well other than solving them I don’t like them. Mysteries are there to be solved.
 
Abbadon said:
Well see the thing is intelligence is alot more complicated that how i think you perceive it to be. I did see some data about religious belief and education level and also another on I.Q and religiosity. So from that data I could say that it is statistically likely that i am “more intelligent” than most religious people. But no doubt there would be brilliant men and women who profess some form of belief in a magical deity of some sort.

That’s about the best i can answer your vary vague question.
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I understand that intelligence is more complicated than my simple, vague question. My question is not about some study that you have read that suggests an inverse relationship between religiosity and IQ. My question is whether you, Abbadon, perceive yourself to be generally more intelligent (however you wish to define “intelligence”) than a person who believes in God.

Don’t, I beg, make it a more difficult question than it is. I may have well asked you whether you perceive yourself to be a better driver than the average driver. It would not need any in depth traffic studies or the like. I’m just asking your opinion.
 
Veritas248 said:
If knowing the truth means living in the middle ages, I’ll take it any day over lies.
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But the middle ages is when people were put under house arrest for discovering that we were not the center of the galaxy let alone our universe… Why would you want to go there? Plus no internet… No LCD screens…
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
I love the story of the atheist who died and came back to life with his story of being sent to hell and seeing the decay, the stench and the smell of that horrifying place. He is now a minister who goes around to all the churches and tells his story. He was given a second chance. To you atheists who do not believe, i would read the bible and learn from your savior Jesus Christ because this man yelled out **JESUS HELP ME **and he was helped and given a second chance. His story is truly amazing.
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bradwill911 said:
Sounds like a good story, do you recall his name?
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Could it be Rev. Howard Storm?

near-death.com/storm.html

I read his story in a book (written by a Catholic) dealing with miracles. He has a powerful testimony.
 
It takes more humility to admit there is a God and admit you are worthless compared to Him than to admit one “may” be wrong.
If it takes education, then why would one narrow the mind? If one espouses Atheism or Agnosticism, they must either eliminate or suppress anything supernatural. Then they must reduce their own mind into mindless chemical processes, degrading themselves into less than animals. Willingness to learn? If that were true, then they wouldn’t shut out or severely suppress anything supernatural. They would be open to the possibility, not shove it out the door. Remembering and Understanding require a mind and a will, which both Atheism and Agnosticism attempt to deny in some way, shape, or form.

As Chesterton put it: “The mind remains open until it closes on something solid.”

Agnostics prefer to keep an open mind, rejecting even solid truths, and Atheists reduce the mind to mere mindless chemical processes.
It isn’t learning. No, something else is at work here…
 
It is that black and white. The church and Millions and millions of believers have a belief in GOD and the afterlife and on the other hand you have however many that deny it and say when you are dead you are gone …NOTHING! Why would you not at least WANT to believe in the afterlife. It is mind boggling.
 
fishisgood said:
the athiests and agnostics that come on here to speak are prolly Saints in the making:thumbsup: God may have brought them here.
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Indeed. 🙂

And none will laugh more heartily at the irony than these future Saints themselves. 🙂
 
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