Atheists:

[Blade_and_Blood]

This is wrong. The right path is dependent on what is objectively true.

The bottom line is: People find different paths for themselves to follow and label it true. Doesn’t make it true.

But, if I might bring in a bit more thought, I must say. It’s amazing how religions are so very similar in teaching. I think that may have also been a factor: My appreciation for the many faiths that were so very much the same. Only for a moment did my former Catholic faith stand out.

sigh But, that’s step one to Atheism: Undefiled wisdom. Not that that’s bad, of course.

(Sorry for the delay, man. My computer went on the fritz. )

 

[Veritas248]

The bottom line is: People find different paths for themselves to follow and label it true. Doesn’t make it true.

**But, if I might bring in a bit more thought, I must say. It’s amazing how religions are so very similar in teaching. ** I think that may have also been a factor: My appreciation for the many faiths that were so very much the same. Only for a moment did my former Catholic faith stand out.

sigh But, that’s step one to Atheism: Undefiled wisdom. Not that that’s bad, of course.

(Sorry for the delay, man. My computer went on the fritz. )

You are right with that statement, but we still need to conform ourselves to reality.
They are very similar in moral codes, beyond that, not much else.
Undefiled Wisdom as a first step to atheism? I don’t think so.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

My Dear But Very Deluded OneTrueCathApos;4993726

How dare you, and I mean that: how dare you speak to mean in that tone?

I have written the Truth about Christ and His Church and You Blaspheme against Christ and His church–it’s that simple. It is in all that you state in you defense against what I have written.

The Second Vatican Council and its aftermath are a horrendous story for the Church and that is a fact. This type of council in which many would “change” and modernize the Church-whatever that means, was planned many decades before, by malcontents and liberals in the Church. Pope Pius XII (1939 - 1958) made note of that and the grumblings of many who wated to change the liturgy in the 1920’s.

He said and I paraphrase, “That all arond me I hear of people wanting to change the Church, her rubics, the Mass. It is frightening and sad,” he commiserated, “for it is nothing but modernism, which was condemned by Pope Saint Pius X…” He also predicited such a Council as Vatican II, and he said the reults would be disasterous, as Man “Would forget God” and that terrible “times are in store for the Church in the near future…”

Who are you to tell me anything about what happened, since I lived through it as an adult and you have not. Have you read the 16 documents published by that Council–They conatian over 202 heresies. Many true Catholics scholars have and they agree with me–the documents are ambiguous and filled with errors, ideas that the Church had never tught.

Why have religious vocations plumeted since 1970, and why are dioceses falling apart and consolidating and closing once well run Catholic Schools, for example, in this New Church of yours? If that Council was not evil, then why are there so many unprecedented bad fruits that are a result of it? Read the posts in this Thread I have written about The Council of Trent and what was determined there, since what happened in Europe from 1517 on was an influx of heresies all perpatrated and fed by Matin Lutuher and the Revolt of the Protestants. Read what Pope Saint Pius V said and published about the Mass and perpatuity.

Kindly stop lecturing me about Vatican II, the fake Sacraments you attend and anything else you “think” I am in error about. I am not, you are, and you seem grossly ignorant of the truth. You should change your name for you are not part of what is one, holy, Catholic and apostolic.–I need to be this stern with you as you do not know how or refuse to aceept historical, spiritual facts concerning the Church since 1958.

Bible study groups, marriage encounter, social action organizations, and the charismatic renewal movement are all fruits of the Council. Yes and the divorce and annulment rates are sky high, as all of these are bad fruits of that council and I could go on and on. Before that horrendous Council, these fruits did not exist as they do in NEWCHURCH. You should ponder why. There are no, I repeat no good fruits that have transpired since Vatican Two closed and many agree with me and the statistics that prove this statement are legion now, or are you lving with blinders on…

The sacrament of Marriage is sacrosanct, and it always has been.-- Do you not recall the doctrinal teaching on the *** indissolveability of Marriage.***. The present tidal wave of annulments, granted by NEWCHURCH are blasphemous, to say the least. And there numbers are unprecedented in the Church too. No one excepting very few were ever, in all oof Church history before Vatican II, granted an annulment. All has changed though since Vatican Two ended. they are issued like toilet paper, and are worth much less, as divorce and remarriage are condemned by Catholicism and always will be.

I pray for heretics every morning, and I shall include you in them. I am sorry but you are truly deluded by what you attend as it is not, repeat, the one holy Catholic and apostolic Church that was once housed in Rome. It is an Apostate Church–and that is the fact atpresent, despite you vain and uninformed protests to the contrary. You really have no real concept of what happened, why and how, do you?
–mhpierce–

And you’re calling ME a heretic and delusional? Seems you have a HUGE problem with the Catholic church, instead of constant bashing it, try embracing it as Jesus did. And stop insulting me.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

You are right with that statement, but we still need to conform ourselves to reality.
They are very similar in moral codes, beyond that, not much else.
Undefiled Wisdom as a first step to atheism? I don’t think so.

You’re telling a Goth–borderline Metalhead girl!-- to conform… How annoying.

Oh yeah, undefiled wisdom is totally the first step; or, if you really want to go back, curiosity. And as they say, “Curiosity killed the cat”-- the cat being “faith”.

 

[Veritas248]

You’re telling a Goth–borderline Metalhead girl!-- to conform… How annoying.

Oh yeah, undefiled wisdom is totally the first step; or, if you really want to go back, curiosity. And as they say, “Curiosity killed the cat”-- the cat being “faith”.

Conform…conform…conform…
to reality. Unless you like living in a fantasyland?
Nope. For me, curiosity immortalized the cat.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Conform…conform…conform…

Nope. For me, curiosity immortalized the cat.

That’s what I said over four months ago. (There may actually be hope for you, in the future. jk.)

I’m loggin’ off, for now. Lunch time!

 

[Veritas248]

That’s what I said over four months ago. (There may actually be hope for you, in the future. jk.)

I’m loggin’ off, for now. Lunch time!

Unlike you, I didn’t start being curious four months ago.
It was more like…10-15 years or so.
Seriously, I don’t remember when I started studying other religions.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Unlike you, I didn’t start being curious four months ago.
It was more like…10-15 years or so.
Seriously, I don’t remember when I started studying other religions.

I started studying about two years ago. In my sophomore year. It was fun exploring faiths I thought were different than mine. I still remember how amazed I was at the striking similarities, and I really did appreciate the sense of unity I had with people of other faiths. Even then, I was a “liberal,” so perhaps, either way, I would have fallen away from the Church.

 

[mhpierce]

First of all, you give me a broken link.
Second, as to “liberalism”, “modernism”, and “political correctness”, you’ll have to give me some specific examples. If you want me to listen to you, explain your position more calmly.

Veritas248;4994063]:

He is that broken link; sorry about that; this blog is Orthodox; if you read it at times, you will find it intesting, I assure YOU! forchrist-contramundum.blogspot.com/

–Kindly and without being so effusive,

–mhpierce–

 

[mhpierce]

And you’re calling ME a heretic and delusional? Seems you have a HUGE problem with the Catholic church, instead of constant bashing it, try embracing it as Jesus did. And stop insulting me.

I have problems with False Teachers, Arrogant, Vatican Two Priests who lie, with members of family and others who think they know history and do not, especially when it comes to Sacred history and Catholicism, who cannot stand up for what they know is not in The Deposit of Faith; they cannot expalin why the changes were necessary and they refuse to accept the Great Apostasy for what it is. I call men and women like that cowards. And they are also deeply deluded and luke warm Catholics anyway, as a fervent Catholic would at the very least, agree with us who know what happened.

What will it ever take to convince you that what I have emparted is the Truth and what is the Real Church and that its real followers, who support its traditions and doctrines completely ***now are few and far between. *** Re-read all that I have said on this Thread.

I did not mean to insult you–but you are so uneducated about the tenants and the Deposit of Faith that you profess. I am sorry my friend, but I tell you the truth and if that insults you, I cannot help that. Hards truths are still Charitable, even if you do not think so–for what does it profit me to spend so much time with you whne you are so incorigable? I want your immortal soul saved that’s all.

You are, and too many other on this site, in a word, a Protestant and you adhere to hersey and heretics and attend a False Mass that does not supply you with Sanctifying Grace.

I say this out of charity, as you need to hear it boldly, so it might penetrate and then you might do something to change, to forgoe the NEWCHURCH crowd for starters.
in essence, you are deeply brainwahed by The Vatican Two Church.

And by the way, I have always loved my Faith and I left a Seminary and Catholic education in 1970 because of what was taking place that was not Catholic; I assure you, and my mother knew it as well as other people then when I applied to enter this Seminary,in 1966, the priests and the others who were hired to teach there were already anticipating the supposed changes in liturgy, for example, that were implemented all over the world and it was very hard on us, as we were young and deeply impressionable. We were deeply confused and many have remained that way for forty something years and that is also tragic. I thank God for my mother and what she said after Vatican Two closed and what she said about the NEWCHURCH and its fake Mass and many other “things” that were taking place.

Many left the Seminary and the Church and many of the priest who taught me and I knew, who were ordained, left the Faith in droves here (Rochester,NY)Many refused or could not rectifiy themselves with what was taking place, as they knew something was deeply wrong. In two words: it was heresy and disobedience to CatholicTradition, that caused so many to leave the Church back then. You have to experience something like this, which really was unique, to understand it visceraly.

Calmly,
mhpierce

 

[phantasm]

Dearest Phantom Writer and Questioner of Dogmas:

Good question!

You should read what really happened during that controversy–and how do you know that the Earth is not the real epicenter of the whole universe?

The earth is as much the center of the universe as you are the Queen of Spain.

Your post is so mis-guided as to have fallen clear off of the edge of our very flat earth.

 

[phantasm]

I also have a question for all of you former Catholics who have fallen away:
Have you ever considered that the period in which you started to question Catholicism was a Test of Faith? Maybe God testing you to see how strong your faith was?

If it was a test of faith, you failed. Badly.

If it was a test of faith, God being omniscient already knew I would fail, so why test me?

More importantly, if God does play these type of games where he tests my faith, even though he knows how I will respond, then I absolutely want nothing to do with this God who plays pathetic little games with his children to test their loyalty to his invisibleness.

 

[phantasm]

**Veritas248;4993807

I stand by what I say and there are many flourishing heresies perpatrated again real doctrine in the NewChurch now, a result of poor discipline true enough mostly through RANK DISOBEDIENCE by “Official” Leaders and modernism, political correctness and socail libertinism!

BY THE WAY:

I and others with whom I am acquainted have studied Church History and The Second Vatican Council for years now; we read volumnously on what has transpired in The NEWCHURCH and stay well informed and study the publications from many other Church Councils, and have done this for years for years–We are Only interested in the Truth. We have no social or political ax to grind! go here:forChrist-contramundum.com** Read what is published there. It’s often quite sad, and a real eye opener when it comes to the Bad Fruits of Vatican Two and Its Anti-Pope, Benedict-Ratzinger, and his many errors and blasphemous statements. It contains some very good spiritual information and it is linked to the Friary to which we belong…

-mhpierce—

 

[bbarrick8383]

mhpierce…

Many left the Seminary and the Church and many of the priest who taught me and I knew, who were ordained, left the Faith in droves here (Rochester,NY)Many refused or could not rectifiy themselves with what was taking place, as they knew something was deeply wrong. In two words: it was heresy and disobedience to CatholicTradition, that caused so many to leave the Church back then. You have to experience something like this, which really was unique, to understand it visceraly.

So, what you are saying is that the Church that could not fall has fallen? So, the events that have occured to me over the last year are mis-leading me to what was once the one true Church of Jesus Christ? I may not know much about Catholicism yet, but comparing what I’ve learned to what you talk about the Bible was wrong about the Catholic Church…

I’m sorry, but I just cant believe you.

 

[mhpierce]

The earth is as much the center of the universe as you are the Queen of Spain.

Your post is so mis-guided as to have fallen clear off of the edge of our very flat earth.

Dear Phantasm;4995377]:

Two of the other problems with this thread are a lack of seriousness and how to know when some one is being serious. I am not speaking of humor. The first problem is the obvious lack of the understanding by many that post here of Western Culture and History, which are not taught properly anymore, in almost all of America’s Universities and the real History of the Church and a course about it is not readily available, if a good one exists anymore. The second is the lack of real reverence for the Sacredness of Catholicism, that is evident in the tone of many of the posters here.

To me it is really outlandish, but I have become so use to it the last fifteen years and more, that I now take it for granted at times, this appauling ignorance and lack of reverence. But it is so bad this “attitude” that I am shocked out of my reticence, especially while speaking with many here.

It’s as if people had a right or an obligation even, “to trash verbally and to ruminate obstensiably,” about anything, even if they have very little true knowledge or undertsand the facts of a subject, ours being atheism and The Real Church of all time.

They cannot admit their limited experience with certain complex facts, but try and write that they do understand them, but they do not and it is obvious.

Also, they do not know that I and many such as myself, see right through them. They would not write what they do if they had any real understanding of, for example, The present Great Apostasy, what the word means, and why it started in the 1960’s and what really happened to the Church and what took place at the Second Vatican Council. They seem to lack true humility, and real Fear of God.

They lack real charity of course, and if they think you are uncharitable, they pounce on you almost immediately. Intresting hyprocacy that.

Many here are truly ignorant of the present debacles of the Church in Rome, of real atheism which is growing due to poor example, bad example coming from those who actually profess to be Catholic, but live very sinful lives. What I had said here about knowing the facts before you can offer advice on how to handle them or opinion about them as anomolies is very serious. If you are unaware that something is dreadfully wrong with the Catholic Church housed in Rome, for example, you cannot really discuss it properly, now can you? But when someone points out a myriad of facts to expalin why, the ignorant student balks at the evidence!

So on this thread many deliberately avoid the issue as it pertains to atheism and its adherents, as present day Rome and the Church and its many scandals and heresies has directly contributed to atheism in abundance, even to those who feign agnosticism.

IBy the way, I am seldom misguided and if I was, I am too defensive, vain and erudite to let you ever see me in that condition!

–mhpierce–

 

[phantasm]

I’m sorry, but I just cant believe you.

That is exactly what Atheists say to the belief in all Gods.

 

[mhpierce]

mhpierce…

So, what you are saying is that the Church that could not fall has fallen? So, the events that have occured to me over the last year are mis-leading me to what was once the one true Church of Jesus Christ? I may not know much about Catholicism yet, but comparing what I’ve learned to what you talk about the Bible was wrong about the Catholic Church…

I’m sorry, but I just cant believe you.

Dear bbarrick8383;4995497];
It would behove you to look at the facts and not worry about your belief in God and His Church, since there is only a real remnant of Catholics who practice correctly. You could join them, but will you, since you are not at all convinced of the Truth of what happened after Vatican II? Or are you. The choice to accept facts about this issue is yours…
It takes grace, prayer and courage to do so…

Note Well: in all of my posts, I am trying to pursuade you, but I am not asking you to believe me. That would be asking too much here. Still, you need to believe that the Great Apostasy is now a fact, brought about by the errors from Vatican Two, or we can have no discussion.

That is the main topic as it refers to atheists here, as they are confused about what is God’s Divinely Revealed Church that was once housed in Rome, in the Vatican, where its leaders ruled, and what really transpired during and after The Second Vatican Council.

To be Catholic and Apostolic, is to be obedient to tradition, doctrine and dogma. That is not what takes place now and has not since 1969, and it it is a fact, whether it is believed, liked or accepted. The causes for this, which are disbedience and modernistic “thinking” started right at the top of the Church, and it was diabolically inspired, as we are dealing with real invisible realities, “principalities and powers,” to quote Holy Scripture.

-mhpierce–

 

[mhpierce]

3/26/09

Tempus fugit–and HOW! -
Oh Well: to all who have posted here this last week I have these parting words:

I have enjoyed the challenges and the hyperbole set before me on this Thread. I found myself enjoying some of the people here, such as Snert and Phantom and others. And I am not sorry that I scolded some of you for your obtuseness, your obstinance too. Some of you really need it!

It is Lent, tomorrow is Friday and Sunday is Passion Sunday and then only one week until Holy Week. I shall retreat into my home and at my Chapel, and attend daily Mass. This has been one of the greatest and most blessed Lents of my entire lifetime. I am deeply greatful for that

I shall reach my fifty-seventh year in October, on the feast of Saint Luke. I cannot tell you “young things” how fast it has all gone, since the close of Vatican II in 1965, for example, when I was in the eight grade; it’s as if it were yesterday, but some of you have little understanding of how fast times goes in life. With youth, it has always been thus…
It can be frighterning and mind-boggling, to say the least. We all come to this realization of time and it’s ferocious swiftness as we age, and a man my age had, some time ago, realized that he was immortal in soul, but his body will die.

I shall be praying for all of you here, and I shall cherish my attempts at trying to cram some knowledge down the heads of the atheists here, who have no idea, if they are true to their word, of what they will face in eternity. They will be completley suprised perhaps as all who profess their doubts have been once they die. Remember though, eternity yawns before you with Heaven, Hell and Purgatory as your reward for what you did for Christ and Your neighbor…

For it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.

Maybe some here will remember that I scolded them in remembering that God comes first, is not mocked and His true, one, holy Catholic and Apostolic church will remain till the end of time–even if there be one real, obedient Catholic left on Planet Earth.

–Predicted for centuries --this Great Apostasy, in which we find ourselves now, started at the top of the Church by its Hierarchy, during and after the Second Vatican Council–it is a fact.

I hope you all realize this, since the state of the weather and the world and other situations has become so acute, including the economy. Remember: So Goes the Church, So Goes The World. All of these disasters and wars and other catastrophies we have experienced globally the past decade and well before are speeding up, as is time and are a part of the end times, the fruits of this Apostasy.

Our real Catholic numbers have been so sadly decimated since Vatican II–and yet, hope burns eternally.

I wish too that some of you could and will find the peace and deep faith and assurance I possess.

That’s why I am so conviced of what I have stated here, as I am one of those who knows what is really going on, and I desire to impart it, despite some of the obstinancy encountered here and elsewhere.

In the Real Church, there have always been people such as myself and it is a cross at times, believe me, to be so self-assured, but a Great Blessing…

In fondness and Love: I will pray for you.
I remain yours, in Christ Jesus

Michael Howard Joseph Pierce aka mhpierce…

 

[Veritas248]

I started studying about two years ago. In my sophomore year. It was fun exploring faiths I thought were different than mine. I still remember how amazed I was at the striking similarities, and I really did appreciate the sense of unity I had with people of other faiths. Even then, I was a “liberal,” so perhaps, either way, I would have fallen away from the Church.

Interesting. Well, I’m going to have to ask, what are the similarities you think you found?
As I said before, the main similarities I found were in the moral codes.

 

[Veritas248]

Veritas248;4994063]:

He is that broken link; sorry about that; this blog is Orthodox; if you read it at times, you will find it intesting, I assure YOU! forchrist-contramundum.blogspot.com/

–Kindly and without being so effusive,

–mhpierce–

That site spoke in rather harsh language, sounds like they have an axe to grind or something…