According to Wkipedia, Butler was consecrated by a guy named Louis Vezelis, who is allegedly a holocaust denier.
This quote is attributed to Vezelis;
*It is quite easy to observe which newspapers are subservient to this modern day hoax. The subject is the so-called “Holocaust Museum” built on public land “generously” donated by the US government … Well-informed American citizens demonstrated [in Washington, DC, on April 22] against the historically false accusations constantly made against the German people and other nationalities whose only real crime was resisting the international gangsters who facetiously call their brand of exploitation “Communism.”
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Also from wikipedia;
‘Vezelis’ ordination was illicit under canon law because it did not have the approval of the Pope and therefore carried the penalty of latae sententiae excommunication. Vezelis’ territory was the United States east of the Mississippi River, Musey’s the western part of the country, including Florida. Priests including Robert McKenna submitted to Vezelis as their ordinary. From 1983-1984 Archbishop Ngo lived with Bishop Louis at the Rochester Friary.’
Is Butler a Holocaust denier?
From what I can see, Butler and Vezelis are as much Bishops as I am.
This seems, well, rather troubling.
Dear phantasm;5002538;
Why not call them and ask them directly? 585 621 1122–you might find their answers interesting, as many others who have tried to
catch them, have… (You
like to play got ya, don’t you? --be honest, it is evident in your posts…).
I can assure you and others that they are genuine, apostolic bishops; you could not possibly discern that they are not from reading an inflamatory and derisive story about The Holocaust, (which “Holocaust” though, as there are several, each with its many facts and untruths and hyperbole… the Nazi one–oh well, Jewish interests have made IT, and that is Capital I Capital T, through manipulations for purposes of power and guilt mongering, the One and Only Holocaust, which is absurd…I could list, as others can–several Holocausts–for example, what Stalin did in 1931-32–to the Ukraine-stories of which were deliberately kept out of the New York Times…).
Wikipedia is famous for bashing what is termed “conservative Catholicism,” and the facts the readings there contain are often cut and pasted out of context and there have been many complaints about this site, as has been noted.
But so what if they are what you assert, many authentic clerics, doctors and others have been deniers of this atrocious point in history; that does not make what they practice, what they have achieved, their validity as “professionals or clerics” any less authentic, now does it?
You should study why the Hol Deniers assert such claims, as there is much evidence that has been surpressed by many about it and lies too that are tauted. And while I am at it, what of the lies about Pius XII–but that is off the point…
Your post is speculative, and says nothing that disproves the Bishops are fakes or unaunthentic. I know them and if they were not apostolic, and truly ordained priests, members of the Franciscan order (Order of the Friars Minor), and not consecrated properly as bishops don’t ***you think, after all that you have read here that was posted by me, I would not have exposed them a long time ago? ***
Please, give me the credit that is due me, after all you give the Devil his dues!
From what you know of me and my research methods and the facts that I have posted, which many of you deny, but are still facts, you cannot possibly believe everything that has been said about them, as many have tried to denegrate them, as with the Diamond Brothers, Peter and Michael Dimond, who live near me and have lied about being members of the Benedictine order.yet produce a huge web site and publish books claiming they are, nevertheless. Their web site:
mostholyfamilymonastery.com
*From what I can see, Butler and Vezelis are as much Bishops as I am.
This seems, well, rather troubling.*
Why be troubled about the fact that they are bishops, we all know you are not a bishop, so stop writing silly or speculative comments that prove nothing.
This was a very poor try on your part, but I need more objective evidence to accept your assertion, but there isn’t any! But at least you started to do some honest research–it is a fascinating field of never ending learning…
Still:
You are really just trying to find something that proves me wrong about my facts, and assertions, and so you grasp at the first bit of research you find and accept it as gospel and then try to defame two bishops who are authentic? It’s an old, tired and poor method and many see right through it!
The world is filled with people who do this–and there is something I do that I have not shared with this Thread, and it is that I conduct research with some very highly qualified professionals, and they all, to a person, agree with me about the Catholic Church, what really happened during the Second Vatican Council and its aftermath, and a slew of other truths too numerous to mention. Some are anti-Catholic, yet they know the two bishops are authentic… they would be the first to tell me if they were not, after myself!
Now that I have shared this, be very careful what you quote or use as “evidence” for something. We, at our business, have been shooting holes through many people and their assertions for over nine years now. I can go further and supply many examples, but that would be superfluous.
But you are getting a reprieve: I am stopping posting on this web after Sunday.
mhpierce
I don’t really believe in the Christian God.
Really? I expected way better from you. 
Pascal’s Wager is probably the cheapest, dirtiest, last-resort of a trick you could ever commit! :banghead: It is indecent and very childish. :nope: