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Phantasm is so hell bent in anger and bitterness, sounds to me that might be because you don’t believe in Jesus. Otherwise that life you may say you are living is so wonderful, it actually comes out how miserable you are in your posts.
 
Phantasm is so hell bent in anger and bitterness, sounds to me that might be because you don’t believe in Jesus. Otherwise that life you may say you are living is so wonderful, it actually comes out how miserable you are in your posts.
I happen to know some beautiful people that are not Christian, the act more Christian than a majority of Christian. I woudl watch the judgements.
 
Phantasm is so hell bent in anger and bitterness, sounds to me that might be because you don’t believe in Jesus. Otherwise that life you may say you are living is so wonderful, it actually comes out how miserable you are in your posts.
I’ve read some of Phantasm’s posts, and he/she seems more frustrated than anything else–not about his/her life, but with the person they’re arguing with.

You can’t judge the life of anybody by observing their debates or arguments. For all I know, you can be one of the nicest people I could meet; I could be one of the nicest people you could ever meet, but since these discussions are fueled by the desire to argue and debate, it is impossible to know whether they are a happy person or a miserable person unless stated otherwise.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
 
My existence would be hopeless without faith./QUOTE]

How sad.

What do you think you would have done if you had been one of the persons born before Judaism or Christianity came into existence only about 5000 years ago?

Were talking about the human species existing anywhere from 250,000 years to lowest estimate of 100,000 years.

For more than 99% of human history, Christianity did not exist.

Are you seriously suggesting that more than 99% of the human race who have ever lived had hopeless existences?

Would you really have led a hopeless existence, or would you have been content to worship Thor, Zeus, Sun Gods, Bal or any of the other tens of thousands of Gods that have been worshiped in the history of man?
 
Phantasm is so hell bent in anger and bitterness, sounds to me that might be because you don’t believe in Jesus. Otherwise that life you may say you are living is so wonderful, it actually comes out how miserable you are in your posts.
How very judgmental of you.

Do you care to respond to any of my posts directly, or are you content to make passive aggressive judgments concerning that, which you could not possibly know?
 
How very judgmental of you.

Do you care to respond to any of my posts directly, or are you content to make passive aggressive judgments concerning that, which you could not possibly know?
Pathetic.
 
I happen to know some beautiful people that are not Christian, the act more Christian than a majority of Christian. I woudl watch the judgements.
Well I guess discernment and the actual tone of a piece of writing are really different from judging another; this “judgement” stuff some of you use as a weapon, gets very trying.

Ponder this Please: Pointing out facts and an obvious “tone” in a piece of writing, is factual, that’s all; again, that’s not being"judgemental…" Judging is accusing someone of a motive, of being something that may or may not be true.

Some people write in embittered tones and it’s obvious; then, the reader points it out to the writer, but then is accused of “judging the person.” Hogwash. Let’s be honest about what we read and write, and if the shoes fit, may we kindly wear them…

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Well I guess discernment and the actual tone of a piece of writing are really different from judging another; this “judgement” stuff some of you use as a weapon, gets very trying.

Ponder this Please: Pointing out facts and an obvious “tone” in a piece of writing, is factual, that’s all; again, that’s not being"judgemental…" Judging is accusing someone of a motive, of being something that may or may not be true.

Some people write in embittered tones and it’s obvious; then, the reader points it out to the writer, but then is accused of “judging the person.” Hogwash. Let’s be honest about what we read and write, and if the shoes fit, may we kindly wear them…

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I didn’t know that people can get so much info off some ones writtings and not knowing that person directly. Seems to me you are copping out! May be some people question things because that is how they learn!:mad:
 
d to go through and I just hope that I would be strong and not fail if I were put to the test. The fact that the Catholic Church has been around for 2,000 years and has the info to prove it is simply amazing.
Judaism, Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism are older than the Roman Catholic Church.

Is that proof that those faiths are simply amazing or just yours?
 
Okay, I’ve read this thread all the way through, and I just can’t take it anymore! I have a few questions for you, Blade and Blood. Humor me, at least…
  1. You have stated that you are an agnostic, and yet have stated “God is imaginary.” Now, as a former atheist, I can tell you only an atheist says that, because an agnostic will say “Don’t know about God. Maybe He exists, maybe not.” So, which are you, B&B?
  2. You mentioned not wanting to “lie to an imaginary God.” Okay, so how does one lie to something that doesn’t exist? You can lie to others, lie to yourself, but you can’t LIE to something that isn’t real. So, make up your mind. Does God exist and you feel like you’re lying to him by going to church, etc? Or does He NOT exist and therefore whatever you do, it won’t matter because you can’t lie to someone who isn’t real?
Now, atheism is certainly not the most rational, scientific, and logical way–because how can you prove God doesn’t exist? Many will say that they depend solely upon their five senses (if they can’t see, hear, smell, etc it, it does not exist). But many things exist, without our ability to see them. For example, neutrinos. Scientific and mathematical formulae prove their existence. They don’t even have enough mass for us to comprehend them with our most advanced technology. Can we see, smell, or taste them? Absolutely not. They can pass through us by the billions and not be changed at all. There are philosophical and historical formulae that prove that not only is there a God, but the Christian God is real. Go ahead, B&B, and pull all the scripture passages out of context that you want to–but it doesn’t prove a thing.

Anyway, may God bless you. Take care, and may the rest of the Great Fast prove beneficial to you in many ways.
 
I didn’t know that people can get so much info off some ones writtings and not knowing that person directly. Seems to me you are copping out! May be some people question things because that is how they learn!:mad:
What does that mean, copping out?

No fair and well informed English Professor, for example, can determine the tone of a piece of wrttitng without making “judgements.”

Your ideas about “judging”, as is the world’s today, (evidenced in the press and in governmental and other institutions such as a University) is that no one may critisize or pass comment about an obvious attitude or sense of something, without being labled judgemental.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about and you are wrong about this issue–and that type of thinking is wrong and it is dangerous too.

One who is informed and is well taught has every right, and it is your Catholic duty, to point out to another, in Christian charity, if something is wrong and or if someone is making a bad or sinful choice, committing a mortal sin.

*It’s your judgmental duty to comment on sins of omission and those habitually committed, yours and others, especially when you are trying to teach your children right from wrong, which is not considered politically correct by many today. What hogwaash and what confusion of both mind and purpose to suggest that this cannot be done or is no longer tolerated/B] This is what *liberal thinking *has done to the Catholic Church, too many of it’s adherents and the Culture we are mired in today. It’s tragic and it is outlandish!:(😦

Care to retort?*
 
Negatively? They’re all calling me “evil” and “stupid.” It’s tough, too, because the majority of my English class (that’s where the problems are) are Christian–but what do I care? I have a B in that class. 🙂

If theists became atheists, things would not be easier, just different. 😃

Ironically Yours. ❤️
This thread has spiraled into something that I wish it had not. My intent was to try to understand where an atheist is coming from. Not what inspired them to become or to stay atheist, but rather what inspires them to go to a Christian forum and try to convert Christians to atheism. I realize that is not what all atheists do, but that was my intended audience. If the atheist is not here to convert, what is he here for. Apparently entertainment.

I now want to respond a bit to the lack of Christian charity that you describe and that Phantasm called being judgmental. First, I’m sorry that you have been treated as such. As someone else said, sometimes non-Christians are more Christian than Christians. However, as C.S. Lewis argues, the proof of their Christian charity is not that they are good, but rather that they are better than they would be otherwise. Perhaps those judgmental Christians would be even more judgmental without Christ. Perhaps those nice atheists (I’m not capitalizing because I don’t know if it is supposed to be capitalized, not done to be mean) would be nicer IF they were Christians.

What I do know is this, Christians believe in a soul and an afterlife and it your soul and afterlife that they worry about, even when you don’t believe in them or worry about them. Who here has/had a mother who ticked you off when she was trying to protect you from the world? I know I did, I thought she was mean when I was a kid though I see why as an adult. From what I can tell, the atheist, not believing in a soul or afterlife, is worried about 1) Christians imposing their values on them, 2) Entertainment, 3) Christians being mean or judgmental to them. Aside from one’s words or tone, which list seems more charitable?

Sorry for the long ramble, Peace.
 
What does that mean, copping out?

No fair and well informed English Professor, for example, can determine the tone of a piece of wrttitng without making “judgements.”

Your ideas about “judging”, as is the world’s today, (evidenced in the press and in governmental and other institutions such as a University) is that no one may critisize or pass comment about an obvious attitude or sense of something, without being labled judgemental.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about and you are wrong about this issue–and that type of thinking is wrong and it is dangerous too.

One who is informed and is well taught has every right, and it is your Catholic duty, to point out to another, in Christian charity, if something is wrong and or if someone is making a bad or sinful choice, committing a mortal sin.

It’s your judgmental duty to comment on sins of omission and those habitually committed, yours and others, especially when you are trying to teach your children right from wrong, which is not considered politically correct by many today. What hogwaash and what confusion of both mind and purpose to suggest that this cannot be done or is no longer tolerated/B] This is what *liberal thinking *has done to the Catholic Church, too many of it’s adherents and the Culture we are mired in today. It’s tragic and it is outlandish!:(😦

Care to retort?

Aren’t we as Christian to be gentle in our discipline.Jesus only got angry one time when the money changers were in the Temple, not because they were chainging money, but they were blocking the court of the gentiles from worshiping at the Temple.My point is you catch alot more flies with honey than you do viniger.Telling some one else what their life is like seems judgemental to me. Would Jesus tell a prostitute on the street how misreble their life is or would he inspire them that their sins are forgive through his blood?
I pray you can see the difference!👍
 
Dear Atheist Thread Members Who Are Accusing Others of Being “Judgemental”:

I forget to state that the Catholic Church teaches that we must practice the spiritual and corporal works of mercy–but wait just one minutes, several are “judgemental,” for example Admonish The Sinner…

***The One True Faith Teaches That We ***must Judge With Charity and then either respond or not, depending on what is most charitable. For example, it is often charitable not to respond to someone or to “act” upon something. Restraining ones mouth from commenting or admonishing, depending upon the circumstances, is often necessary. Wisdom comes into play here too. For example, like right now, as I have said enough!!
 
Why an atheist cares about religion:

glumbert.com/media/atheist

Why some don’t accept the resurrection, or anything about the early church as history:

infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/resurrection/lecture.html#1

Despite understanding that God IS, I agree with the positions of the above urls. The theist/atheist argumentation is a red herring. It is like harvesting or plowing in the wrong field. You won’t get paid for it except as it overlaps in part the actual area of concern. Even in that case, since it is partial, such practice causes disorientation literally and figuratively.

The way we look at religion in our culture stems from a language based on an adversarial relationship with Nature or God. This is intrinsically built inot our grammer and goes unnoticed, and is why there have been a few attempts to annalys and correct this within English. But it is why religion appears to be *about * truth, but is not itself Truth. That is why it is exoteric, secular, and why there are so many of them, all at odds with each other. Even “practitioners” of the christainist religons, all what? 3K+ of them?, are only one third by number of all religionists globally.

I was exceptionally lucky. I was forced by events in my own life to look from a different standpoint at the nature of my very adamant Catholic belief and proselytizing. I have only been increasingly happy that this happend to me, and my study has actually reconciled my view of the Church in part. But I cannot imagine how difficult it would be for someone to actually have to make an honest choice to re-examine their belief system as an objective phenomenon. I am coming to believe, from encounters on here, that this is close to impossible, as the sense of self in believers is mistakenly and, it seems, inextricably rooted in an emotionally charged intellection. I personally don’t think such a re-evaluation can be done wtihout the administration of a particualr kind of shock. This include anyone of any religion or any stripe of atheism or agnosticism.

I do think that for some who have to be intellectually honest with themselves, those who evaluate data from a position outside their emotional involvement with it, can at least free themselves for a more prolonged look at themselves. But this is why it is said “Gnothi Seauton.” Know thySelf. But this is a dangerous undertaking. As one man said, it destroys your world. It is analogous to taking the red pill of Matrix fame.

Most know their involvement with their faith at a chemical/emotional level intellectualized into the appearance of a consistent believability. Few are courageous enough to delve beyond their intellect’s limitation in terms of data, or their usual state of so-called waking awareness to examine the issue. That is fine. It cannot, I think be otherwise. If it were otherwise, we might have babes going directly into graduate studies at University without passing from kindergarten through high school, etc. But at least in that system, the ones in K>6, eg, acknowledge that there is more to be learned. This is impossible with addiction to an internally referenced belief system.
 
Okay, I’ve read this thread all the way through, and I just can’t take it anymore! I have a few questions for you, Blade and Blood. Humor me, at least…
  1. You have stated that you are an agnostic, and yet have stated “God is imaginary.” Now, as a former atheist, I can tell you only an atheist says that, because an agnostic will say “Don’t know about God. Maybe He exists, maybe not.” So, which are you, B&B?
  2. You mentioned not wanting to “lie to an imaginary God.” Okay, so how does one lie to something that doesn’t exist? You can lie to others, lie to yourself, but you can’t LIE to something that isn’t real. So, make up your mind. Does God exist and you feel like you’re lying to him by going to church, etc? Or does He NOT exist and therefore whatever you do, it won’t matter because you can’t lie to someone who isn’t real?
Now, atheism is certainly not the most rational, scientific, and logical way–because how can you prove God doesn’t exist? Many will say that they depend solely upon their five senses (if they can’t see, hear, smell, etc it, it does not exist). But many things exist, without our ability to see them. For example, neutrinos. Scientific and mathematical formulae prove their existence. They don’t even have enough mass for us to comprehend them with our most advanced technology. Can we see, smell, or taste them? Absolutely not. They can pass through us by the billions and not be changed at all. There are philosophical and historical formulae that prove that not only is there a God, but the Christian God is real. Go ahead, B&B, and pull all the scripture passages out of context that you want to–but it doesn’t prove a thing.

Anyway, may God bless you. Take care, and may the rest of the Great Fast prove beneficial to you in many ways.
On a scale of 1-10 (from believer to Atheist), I am a 9. I honor the possibility of there being a God, but I find highly unlikely. It other words, I’m a hardcore Agnostic (or a weak Atheist, whichever you prefer :)) So, no, I don’t believe in the entity you call God. I don’t believe in any God from any religion, yet I wouldn’t say there isn’t anything out there; it could be aliens or some other spirit who’s just “there.”

As I’ve said several times: I wouldn’t be so close-minded to say God does not exist, nor would I be so self-centered to really believe that something, somewhere actually gives a care about us.

As far as worship is concerned, I refuse to go back to the Church. It’s not my place and I am not comfortable there anymore. I will attend with my family, but that’s simply done in honor of them. Plus, me giving up meat for Lent is definitely helping out. I’m back to my regular weight: 98 lbs! 😃

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
Thanks for the post, I’m going to check out those websites. I wanted to mention that Christian denominations supposedly number over 38,000. Might I ask, what do/did you study? Peace.
 
Aren’t we as Christian to be gentle in our discipline.Jesus only got angry one time when the money changers were in the Temple, not because they were chainging money, but they were blocking the court of the gentiles from worshiping at the Temple.My point is you catch alot more flies with honey than you do viniger.Telling some one else what their life is like seems judgemental to me. Would Jesus tell a prostitute on the street how misreble their life is or would he inspire them that their sins are forgive through his blood?
I pray you can see the difference!👍
First: Your whole exegesis about Jesus and the money changes is wrong! “My house is a house of prayer,” not a meat market, which it often was. “YOU HAVE MADE IT INTO A DEN OF THIEVES…>” CHRIST ACTUALLY CALLED A ROBBER, A THIEF! HOW JUDGEMENTAL!

I WONDER WHERE YOU PEOPLE GET THE GALL TO SELF-INTERPRET INSTEAD OF LEARNING A FEW FACTS, OBEYING AND ADHERING TO AUTHORITY INSTEAD OF YOUR OWN INTERPRETATIONS AND EMOTIONAL SPIN ON THINGS!

Yes, this is your interpretation, not the Church’s and certainly not why Christ was angry and He did this twice by the way…

Second: Saint John the Baptist admonished publically and vehemently–but this too is a form of charity, which you have not contemplated. He also ate honeycombs!

Thanks for the prayes as I have, a long time ago, seen many differences!

THERE IS AN OLD SAYING: A DEEP SCOURING IS GOOD FOR TH SOUL. It hurts sometimes to admonish, but it is a Christian duty.

finally: It is your “job” to judge correctly!

mhpierce
 
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