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Abbadon
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Ummmm okay does the same apply for faeries? I’m not really interested in god, oh wait what about medusas? And how about humanid octapusy tentecly female things that are ever so sexy?
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bradwill911
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Robert_in_SD
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I think your “argument” is nothing but a tantrum because God has - I am guessing - not given you what you think you deserve.
In response to God’s apparent slight, you are taking out your anger on the faithful with your silly little attacks. You’ve really presented nothing in the way of an argument against God, except the common fallacies that have already been pointed out to you.
My post was not a “retort” … it was merely an observation. You lack perspective. You are focused on God as if God were just a really powerful person, instead of the eternal author of all life and all creation. He owes you nothing. He can measure out life in whatever lengths He deems appropriate. He can judge and chastise, and He can end life and create new life in whatever pattern He chooses. And none of us has the capacity to see what His plan is for all the souls that He creates for His own purpose.
As for your sophomoric “quip” I assure you that all you “own” is your own pain. I can see it in your posts. I’ll address the “merits” of your position when you post an argument that exhibits some merit.
Until then… stop acting like a cliche’
Peace,
-Robert
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Robert_in_SD
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You are very good at plucking verses out of context and presenting them as proof of Catholic doctrine. In fact, the Church does not teach, or require Catholics to believe, that most people or even many people will end up in Hell. But you seem to start from that assumption. Again, it is a false start for you.
Peace,
-Robert
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Gottle_of_Geer
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My evolutionary and biological genetics that assist me in navigating within my society and amongst my species.
It is frighting that you would kill and steal if it were not for a God watching your every move.
It’s appalling that Christians should follow such a selfish & narcissistic religion. They must have very base characters if what they say is true, because this kind of Christian selfishness wouild have been incomprehensible to the thinkers of antiquity. Epicurus did not kill & steal, but he was no Christian; nor was Theodorus the Atheist; or Democritus; or too many others to count. But they knew nothing of Christ; they got on perfectly well without him. Only Christianity is capable of producing this horrible self-seeking, & if that is not a reason to avoid it, what is ? 
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Gottle_of_Geer
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Those who were Israelites or Jews, maybe. What use were the prophets to the inhabitants of what is now Australia ? I’ll tell you: not much. And Australia has been inhabited for 40,000 years. Were the prophets at work for 40,000 years ?
Newsflash: Israel & Judah were not the entire inhabited world - they were only a very small part of it.
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OneTrueCathApos
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you’re not getting it. The Catholic church has been around for 2,000 years, since God sent His only Son to the Jews to save all of us from sin. This didn’t happen 200,000 years ago but 2,000 years ago. Before 2,000 years ago, they were worshipping false idols and it was a cess pool of sin, that is why Jesus Christ was sent in which He started his Catholic church so that others may believe in Him and live eternally with Him in the next life…get it?Ah, yes, I see, you are a believer that the creator of the universe allowed his children, the human mammal, to live for roughly, 200,000 years without the Catholic Church or the Christ to lead them to salvation.
Pity the 99.9% of humans who have ever lived without this wondrous salvation with which you speak
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phantasm
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Was Jesus lying or just telling tall tales?
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phantasm
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Ahhhh yes, God watched many wallow away in sin for 198,000 years and then thought to get involved 2,000 years ago and finally redeem them. How lucky those middle easternyou’re not getting it. The Catholic church has been around for 2,000 years, since God sent His only Son to the Jews to save all of us from sin. This didn’t happen 200,000 years ago but 2,000 years ago. Before 2,000 years ago, they were worshipping false idols and it was a cess pool of sin, that is why Jesus Christ was sent in which He started his Catholic church so that others may believe in Him and live eternally with Him in the next life…get it?
people were to have the creator of the universe communicate with them directly.
Ahhh yes, fortunate for everyone living after 33 A.D., pity the miscreants who lived the 198,000 years before.
Pity the pockets of the earth that have still not been penetrated by this fantastic good news. Not because they are deaf, but because Gods word of mouth branding is competing with other word of mouth religious brands!
2,000 years later, and there are still people, as you say, worshiping false idols and living in a cess pool of sin.
What a shame that the creator of the universe didn’t actually create a plan of salvation that would reach all of mankind, instead of one that is based upon geography and happenstance of birth.
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Snerticus
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Posts speak volumes about a person…Ahhhh yes, God watched many wallow away in sin for 198,000 years and then thought to get involved 2,000 years ago and finally redeem them. How lucky those middle eastern
people were to have the creator of the universe communicate with them directly.
Ahhh yes, fortunate for everyone living after 33 A.D., pity the miscreants who lived the 198,000 years before.
Pity the pockets of the earth that have still not been penetrated by this fantastic good news. Not because they are deaf, but because Gods word of mouth branding is competing with other word of mouth religious brands!
2,000 years later, and there are still people, as you say, worshiping false idols and living in a cess pool of sin.
What a shame that the creator of the universe didn’t actually create a plan of salvation that would reach all of mankind, instead of one that is based upon geography and happenstance of birth.
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Veritas248
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Trying to be funny isn’t going to help. I was being dead serious with that post.
For the sake of intellectual discourse, I’ll humor you.
The three things you mentioned fall under the category of mythical creatures. Now there are three possibilities as to how we would discover them.
- They are less than humans so we would have to take the initiative. However we have no physical evidence for either of them, no one has ever see them, and there are no remains. If they are less than human, with all our exploration, we would have found them if they exist.
- They are equal to humans. This would mean that there would be a 50/50 interaction between humans and these creatures. Once again, we have turned up nothing, and they haven’t graced us with their presence, so its a safe bet to say they don’t exist.
- They are greater than humans. This would mean that they would have to take the initiative, introducing themselves to us. In all of human history, especially with us having mapped out the entire world, they haven’t shown themselves. This is again a safe bet to disbelieve their existence.
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mhpierce
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Atheists: Beware of Vatican Two Catholics With Whom you Comisserate Here, they Spew Heresies. Make Commentary With A Real Catholic who Is Faithful to All Traditions, Doctrines and Dogmas. NewChurch Leaders and Their Clergy and The “Faithful” Are Corrupted Despite Their Claims to Be Conservative Catholics, As they follow Anti-Popes and Their Modenism
Read This Too:
HOW TO EVALUATE A POPE
By Patricius Anthony
*As the Church of the New Order has chosen its next leader and commemorates the passing of its last, Catholics should consider the manner in which the Divine Founder of their Church, Who was so conspicuously ignored throughout the proceedings of April 2005, evaluates those who hold the office that He created.
It is not surprising that a Catholic view of the action of popes and that of the world differ markedly, especially since the world and those now in control of the Church have deviated so far from Apostolic teaching. The outpouring of affection, the praise and tears for the passing of JPII by the masses, media-savvy politicians, and the heads of the many false religions that he deliberately embraced were to be expected, since it has been JPII more than any single figure of the last half century that has brought Christ’s Church in line with the thinking of the debauched modern world.
While it is true that the papal office was “built” on the foundation of a mere mortal, it does not follow that each occupant that has resided in that august Chair becomes immune from scandal, espousing falsehood, or – worse --becoming a personal heretic or apostate. Anyone with even a scant knowledge of Church history should know that plenty of popes have often strayed, and badly.
Take, for instance, the Prince of the Apostles, whom papolaters (those who attributed to the pope virtually divine attributes) often cite as an impeccable model. After receiving his commission as chief among the Twelve, St. Peter was sternly rebuked by the Divine Savior for his disagreement with the Will of Almighty God:
And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee; this shall not be unto thee. But he turning, said to Peter: go after me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou dost not relish the things that are of God, but the things that are of men (Matthew 16:22-23/DRV).
So much for St. Peter’s “personal infallibility!” Fortunately, Sacred Scripture provides explicit detail on how Christ wanted His popes to act. Before His glorious Ascension, the Divine Savior asks St. Peter whether he loved Him. The repeated queries were an obvious reference to the first pope’s triple denial at the time of his Master’s trial.
As St. Peter heart-wrenchingly answers each time in the affirmative, Christ mercifully accepts, but not unconditionally. Instead, He instructs His disciple that if he was to love Him, he would have to “feed His sheep.” Thus, for St. Peter and his successors, the prime requisite of the Head of the Church is to evangelize and dispense as widely as possible the Holy Sacraments for the salvation of souls. Whether or not the world is in accord with such thinking is immaterial; vicars of Christ are to do His Will. Those who succeed at such a daunting challenge have the opportunity for eternal life; those who fail or willingly disobey…
With this Divine paradigm in mind, how did the recently-deceased pontiff rate? Did he feed the sheep with, as St. Paul instructed, “the traditions that you have learned?” Or have the lambs been fed false doctrines, denied the real Sacraments, and instead been left vulnerable and defenseless against the Prince of this world? To speak of the Master of Lies, it would take some doing to find when the last time either JPII or his newly elected successor have mentioned in their vast Modernistic writings either Satan or Hell.
By any objective rendering, JPII was a revolutionary. While he occasionally spoke in a traditional manner (condemning abortion and trumpeting concepts such as the “Culture of Death”), he was a disciple of the Vatican II religion. The scandals, the ecumenical gestures to Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and other false religions are too numerous to review. His worst offense, however, was that during his entire reign he never offered the Apostolic Sacrifice of the Mass to Almighty God, but, instead, celebrated the Novus Ordo worship service – a direct violation of Apostolic teaching.
For a proponent of the New Religion, Modernism could not have had a better front-man. However, judged by the paradigm that Christ laid down for his foremost representative, he was a scandal, whose actions, along with the entire Novus Ordo apparatus, will be eventually condemned by a future traditional pope.
His successor is cut from the same Modernistic cloth. He is one of the prime movers and shakers during the ill-starred Vatican II Council who, because of his relativistic mindset, can sound “conservative” one day and a twin of Cardinal Kaspar, “the oecumenically-friendly ghost,” the next. If anyone thinks that this chameleon will turn back to Tradition, he is quite naïve, while those who have already praised the erstwhile Cardinal Ratzinger for his supposed orthodoxy, despite his numerous statements tinged with heresy, have demonstrated such incredulity that they would most likely have doubted Our Lord’s miracles, even if they witnessed them firsthand!
Although the world may hail JPII and celebrate the “installation” of his successor, Catholics, before they give their allegiance, must be certain that their earthly shepherds are feeding them Apostolic truth. If not, they are obligated for the good of their souls to reject, condemn and ignore the errors of such false prophets.*
more to come --mhpierce–
Read This Too:
HOW TO EVALUATE A POPE
By Patricius Anthony
*As the Church of the New Order has chosen its next leader and commemorates the passing of its last, Catholics should consider the manner in which the Divine Founder of their Church, Who was so conspicuously ignored throughout the proceedings of April 2005, evaluates those who hold the office that He created.
It is not surprising that a Catholic view of the action of popes and that of the world differ markedly, especially since the world and those now in control of the Church have deviated so far from Apostolic teaching. The outpouring of affection, the praise and tears for the passing of JPII by the masses, media-savvy politicians, and the heads of the many false religions that he deliberately embraced were to be expected, since it has been JPII more than any single figure of the last half century that has brought Christ’s Church in line with the thinking of the debauched modern world.
While it is true that the papal office was “built” on the foundation of a mere mortal, it does not follow that each occupant that has resided in that august Chair becomes immune from scandal, espousing falsehood, or – worse --becoming a personal heretic or apostate. Anyone with even a scant knowledge of Church history should know that plenty of popes have often strayed, and badly.
Take, for instance, the Prince of the Apostles, whom papolaters (those who attributed to the pope virtually divine attributes) often cite as an impeccable model. After receiving his commission as chief among the Twelve, St. Peter was sternly rebuked by the Divine Savior for his disagreement with the Will of Almighty God:
And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee; this shall not be unto thee. But he turning, said to Peter: go after me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou dost not relish the things that are of God, but the things that are of men (Matthew 16:22-23/DRV).
So much for St. Peter’s “personal infallibility!” Fortunately, Sacred Scripture provides explicit detail on how Christ wanted His popes to act. Before His glorious Ascension, the Divine Savior asks St. Peter whether he loved Him. The repeated queries were an obvious reference to the first pope’s triple denial at the time of his Master’s trial.
As St. Peter heart-wrenchingly answers each time in the affirmative, Christ mercifully accepts, but not unconditionally. Instead, He instructs His disciple that if he was to love Him, he would have to “feed His sheep.” Thus, for St. Peter and his successors, the prime requisite of the Head of the Church is to evangelize and dispense as widely as possible the Holy Sacraments for the salvation of souls. Whether or not the world is in accord with such thinking is immaterial; vicars of Christ are to do His Will. Those who succeed at such a daunting challenge have the opportunity for eternal life; those who fail or willingly disobey…
With this Divine paradigm in mind, how did the recently-deceased pontiff rate? Did he feed the sheep with, as St. Paul instructed, “the traditions that you have learned?” Or have the lambs been fed false doctrines, denied the real Sacraments, and instead been left vulnerable and defenseless against the Prince of this world? To speak of the Master of Lies, it would take some doing to find when the last time either JPII or his newly elected successor have mentioned in their vast Modernistic writings either Satan or Hell.
By any objective rendering, JPII was a revolutionary. While he occasionally spoke in a traditional manner (condemning abortion and trumpeting concepts such as the “Culture of Death”), he was a disciple of the Vatican II religion. The scandals, the ecumenical gestures to Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and other false religions are too numerous to review. His worst offense, however, was that during his entire reign he never offered the Apostolic Sacrifice of the Mass to Almighty God, but, instead, celebrated the Novus Ordo worship service – a direct violation of Apostolic teaching.
For a proponent of the New Religion, Modernism could not have had a better front-man. However, judged by the paradigm that Christ laid down for his foremost representative, he was a scandal, whose actions, along with the entire Novus Ordo apparatus, will be eventually condemned by a future traditional pope.
His successor is cut from the same Modernistic cloth. He is one of the prime movers and shakers during the ill-starred Vatican II Council who, because of his relativistic mindset, can sound “conservative” one day and a twin of Cardinal Kaspar, “the oecumenically-friendly ghost,” the next. If anyone thinks that this chameleon will turn back to Tradition, he is quite naïve, while those who have already praised the erstwhile Cardinal Ratzinger for his supposed orthodoxy, despite his numerous statements tinged with heresy, have demonstrated such incredulity that they would most likely have doubted Our Lord’s miracles, even if they witnessed them firsthand!
Although the world may hail JPII and celebrate the “installation” of his successor, Catholics, before they give their allegiance, must be certain that their earthly shepherds are feeding them Apostolic truth. If not, they are obligated for the good of their souls to reject, condemn and ignore the errors of such false prophets.*
more to come --mhpierce–
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mhpierce
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I Also Meant to Pass This Along To All Atheists Here Who Are Conserned With the Concept, the Revelation Actually, of “The Need For Salvations–Is It Necessary?”
**Since the sanctification of man is in the power of God who sanctifies, it is not in the competency of man to choose the things by which he is to be sanctified, but this must be determined by Divine institution."
· – St. Thomas Aquinas, from his Summa Theologica, as excerpted in the article Sacraments**
morewordsfromothers to come–mhpierce–
**Since the sanctification of man is in the power of God who sanctifies, it is not in the competency of man to choose the things by which he is to be sanctified, but this must be determined by Divine institution."
· – St. Thomas Aquinas, from his Summa Theologica, as excerpted in the article Sacraments**
morewordsfromothers to come–mhpierce–
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Snerticus
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mhpierce -
While I find it admirable that you want to evangelize atheists, I don’t think this thread is the place for it.
May I suggest you start a new thread and put your quotations and observations in that? I don’t speak for atheists, but if I were an atheist I would be upset that you are hijacking this thread to use it for your own message.
I don’t mean to be rude, but creating a new thread would be your best bet to get your messages across.
However, if no one else here has any objections to your messages, then I stand corrected and won’t post any more on the subject.
God Bless,
Snert
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mhpierce
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Thank you Snert. I shall consider your point.
However, Many of the Atheists who post here are not aware of the Facts concerning the present Modernism in the Church, aware of the damage the The last four anti-popes have caused, truly aware of The Deposit of Faith that was always taught, and it shows in their arguments.
Catholic’s who speak on this forum, too many of them, do a great deal of damage when they expouse modernism, which is not Catholicism, which is also prevalent here.
I thought it was a good place to try and re-teach the facts, that we live in the Great Apostasy, for example, and also try and clear out some of the historical cobwebs that are prevalent here, with many examples…
Atheists are confused enough and a poor delineation of history, devoid of the real facts is not conducive to sound apologetics…
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mhpierce
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Attention Atheists and supposed “Catholics” who Think they Know Some Real Church History: Would You Kindly Read This Essay?
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Part One:
The Demise of the European Family
By Patricius Anthony
*In his incisive book Europe and the Faith, Hilaire Belloc wrote the following:
***We have reached at last, as the final result of that catastrophe three hundred years ago, a state of society which cannot endure, and a dissolution of standards, a melting of the spiritual framework, such that the body politic fails. Men everywhere feel that an attempt to continue down this endless and ever-darkening road is like the piling up of debt. We go further and further from a settlement. Our various forms of knowledge diverge more and more. Authority, the very principle of life, loses its meaning, and this awful edifice of civilization which we have inherited, and which is still our trust, trembles and threatens to crash down. It is clearly insecure. It may fall in any moment. We who still live may see that the ruin when it comes is not only a sudden, it is also a final, thing. In such a crux there remains the historical truth; that this our European structure, built upon the noble foundation of classical antiquity, was formed through, exists by, is consonant to, and will stand only in the mold of, the Catholic Church. Europe will return to the Faith, or she will perish. The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith. ***
Compared to the cultural depravity that pervades contemporary times, the early 20th century when Belloc penned these prophetic words looks like a veritable Garden of Eden! In May 2008, the European Parliament received a study from the Institute for Family Policy entitled, The Evolution of the Family in Europe 2008. After reading its contents, one would think that a more apt title might be The Devolution of the European Family.
An indication of just how barbaric Europe has become can be seen in what is now the leading cause of death among its population. And, it is not natural causes, but a very unnatural one: abortion. Some 1,200,000 babies per year are not brought to term, a nice way of saying murdered.
Vindicated by this study, although belatedly, is Pope Clement VII and his venerable successors who upheld their courageous predecessor’s decision not to grant one of the most wicked figures in Western history, Henry VIII, an “annulment” of his legitimate marriage to Catherine of Aragon. Only Almighty God knows how many individual souls were saved, families kept intact, and societies preserved through the centuries by His Vicars upholding Christ’s teaching on the Sacrament of Marriage. As it has done to every aspect of Tradition, however, the New Order Church has joined the modern world in allowing divorce, with that Church’s scandalous, widespread grants of “annulments” for almost any conceivable reason.
As most of the pre-Vatican II popes warned, readily-accessible divorce has made a shambles out of the institution of marriage, a fact of which Europe is being made painfully aware. For those who choose to marry, more than half do not stay together. The divorce rate has skyrocketed: one million in 2006, 365,000 more than 1980. From 1996 to 2006, there were over 10,100,000 marital breakdowns, which affected some 15,000,000 children. No wonder dysfunctional families are now the norm. Since fornication is no longer frowned upon, but is generally accepted, there has been a steep drop in those who choose to wed. In 2006, there were 732,752 fewer marriages than there were in 1980, a decline of about 23 per cent. Moreover, the dissolution of marriage has resulted in the shrinkage of the size of European households to an average of 2.4 members per home, with one in four homes occupied by a single person.
The population growth in Europe that did take place between 2000 and 2007 is of little solace. Of the 14,200,000 people added, 12,000,000 (84 per cent) were immigrants. These figures, of course, do not take into account the disastrous consequences from illegal immigration, which policy makers have done little to thwart and, in many cases, have actually encouraged. While the Institute for Family Policy reported its findings in the soberest terms and used phrases such as “elderly continent” and “demographic winter,” its policy recommendations will do little to rectify the deteriorating situation.
Although radical feminism, immigration, alternative life styles, materialism, and contraception have all been cited by observers for the dissolution of the family, they are, in actuality, symptoms of a more fundamental crisis that has affected Europe for quite some time and that Belloc so eloquently spoke about on a number of occasions: the loss of the true Faith. The Protestant revolt and the successive falling away of formally Catholic lands from the Church is the ultimate cause not only for the disintegration of families, but the de-civilization of societies both in Europe and North America.
This condition is particularly tragic because it was in European Christendom that the Faith found its fullest flowering. The holy result of Western man’s embracing Catholicism saw not only the development of diverse and vibrant cultures with their particular ways, habits, and traditions, but also societies that consisted of solid family structures, whose fertility led to growing populations. Most importantly, European families stressed religious vocations as the most worthy occupation that one could pursue.
Was Christendom perfect? Of course not. However, Europeans, for the most part, understood the purpose of life and realized that Providence had given them the duty not only to nurture the Faith among their own but also to carry, transmit, and evangelize it as far as possible and to convert as many souls as possible.
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moretocome–mhpierce–
Part One:
The Demise of the European Family
By Patricius Anthony
*In his incisive book Europe and the Faith, Hilaire Belloc wrote the following:
***We have reached at last, as the final result of that catastrophe three hundred years ago, a state of society which cannot endure, and a dissolution of standards, a melting of the spiritual framework, such that the body politic fails. Men everywhere feel that an attempt to continue down this endless and ever-darkening road is like the piling up of debt. We go further and further from a settlement. Our various forms of knowledge diverge more and more. Authority, the very principle of life, loses its meaning, and this awful edifice of civilization which we have inherited, and which is still our trust, trembles and threatens to crash down. It is clearly insecure. It may fall in any moment. We who still live may see that the ruin when it comes is not only a sudden, it is also a final, thing. In such a crux there remains the historical truth; that this our European structure, built upon the noble foundation of classical antiquity, was formed through, exists by, is consonant to, and will stand only in the mold of, the Catholic Church. Europe will return to the Faith, or she will perish. The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith. ***
Compared to the cultural depravity that pervades contemporary times, the early 20th century when Belloc penned these prophetic words looks like a veritable Garden of Eden! In May 2008, the European Parliament received a study from the Institute for Family Policy entitled, The Evolution of the Family in Europe 2008. After reading its contents, one would think that a more apt title might be The Devolution of the European Family.
An indication of just how barbaric Europe has become can be seen in what is now the leading cause of death among its population. And, it is not natural causes, but a very unnatural one: abortion. Some 1,200,000 babies per year are not brought to term, a nice way of saying murdered.
Vindicated by this study, although belatedly, is Pope Clement VII and his venerable successors who upheld their courageous predecessor’s decision not to grant one of the most wicked figures in Western history, Henry VIII, an “annulment” of his legitimate marriage to Catherine of Aragon. Only Almighty God knows how many individual souls were saved, families kept intact, and societies preserved through the centuries by His Vicars upholding Christ’s teaching on the Sacrament of Marriage. As it has done to every aspect of Tradition, however, the New Order Church has joined the modern world in allowing divorce, with that Church’s scandalous, widespread grants of “annulments” for almost any conceivable reason.
As most of the pre-Vatican II popes warned, readily-accessible divorce has made a shambles out of the institution of marriage, a fact of which Europe is being made painfully aware. For those who choose to marry, more than half do not stay together. The divorce rate has skyrocketed: one million in 2006, 365,000 more than 1980. From 1996 to 2006, there were over 10,100,000 marital breakdowns, which affected some 15,000,000 children. No wonder dysfunctional families are now the norm. Since fornication is no longer frowned upon, but is generally accepted, there has been a steep drop in those who choose to wed. In 2006, there were 732,752 fewer marriages than there were in 1980, a decline of about 23 per cent. Moreover, the dissolution of marriage has resulted in the shrinkage of the size of European households to an average of 2.4 members per home, with one in four homes occupied by a single person.
The population growth in Europe that did take place between 2000 and 2007 is of little solace. Of the 14,200,000 people added, 12,000,000 (84 per cent) were immigrants. These figures, of course, do not take into account the disastrous consequences from illegal immigration, which policy makers have done little to thwart and, in many cases, have actually encouraged. While the Institute for Family Policy reported its findings in the soberest terms and used phrases such as “elderly continent” and “demographic winter,” its policy recommendations will do little to rectify the deteriorating situation.
Although radical feminism, immigration, alternative life styles, materialism, and contraception have all been cited by observers for the dissolution of the family, they are, in actuality, symptoms of a more fundamental crisis that has affected Europe for quite some time and that Belloc so eloquently spoke about on a number of occasions: the loss of the true Faith. The Protestant revolt and the successive falling away of formally Catholic lands from the Church is the ultimate cause not only for the disintegration of families, but the de-civilization of societies both in Europe and North America.
This condition is particularly tragic because it was in European Christendom that the Faith found its fullest flowering. The holy result of Western man’s embracing Catholicism saw not only the development of diverse and vibrant cultures with their particular ways, habits, and traditions, but also societies that consisted of solid family structures, whose fertility led to growing populations. Most importantly, European families stressed religious vocations as the most worthy occupation that one could pursue.
Was Christendom perfect? Of course not. However, Europeans, for the most part, understood the purpose of life and realized that Providence had given them the duty not only to nurture the Faith among their own but also to carry, transmit, and evangelize it as far as possible and to convert as many souls as possible.
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mhpierce
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Part Two
The Demise of the European Family
By Patricius Anthony
*The institution that inspired Europe’s spiritual greatness has, since the Second Vatican Council, joined with the former lands of Christendom in the suicidal rejection of Almighty God. Instead of true worship of its Creator, as was once practiced and heard in the thousands of churches, cathedrals, monasteries, and religious houses that dotted Europe’s landscape, the New Order Church offers a spurious, invalid, and sacrilegious worship service, the antithesis of what God had specifically commanded for His honor and for the salvation of souls.
Some conservative Newchurchers naively believe that Benedict-Ratzinger will lead a restoration of Catholic culture. A number of these neocons who trumpet Newpope’s supposed “traditional credentials” often criticize policy-makers who propose reforms to social problems that the very same politicians created in the first place. Where is the scrutiny and hostility toward Benedict-Ratzinger, who was one of the architects of the New Order religion that supplanted the traditional Faith? And where is the indignation by these neocons over Newpope’s deliberate cover-up of his perverted subordinates who have raped and assaulted children? To many neocons, the bailout of the world’s financial systems has been a far greater “sin” and travesty than the abominations that have occurred under the reigns of Benedict-Ratzinger and his Conciliar predecessors.
The revitalization of European families will not come about through the ballot box or public policies. Instead, there must be a spiritual re-conversion of both the land and the Faith that were once so intimately intertwined. Until this fact is realized, European families will continue to deteriorate, and the baneful social consequences from their demise will only worsen.*
THANKS FOR READING THIS ESSAY: I HOPE IT WAS INFORMATIVE
MAYBEMORETOCOME–mhpierce–
The Demise of the European Family
By Patricius Anthony
*The institution that inspired Europe’s spiritual greatness has, since the Second Vatican Council, joined with the former lands of Christendom in the suicidal rejection of Almighty God. Instead of true worship of its Creator, as was once practiced and heard in the thousands of churches, cathedrals, monasteries, and religious houses that dotted Europe’s landscape, the New Order Church offers a spurious, invalid, and sacrilegious worship service, the antithesis of what God had specifically commanded for His honor and for the salvation of souls.
Some conservative Newchurchers naively believe that Benedict-Ratzinger will lead a restoration of Catholic culture. A number of these neocons who trumpet Newpope’s supposed “traditional credentials” often criticize policy-makers who propose reforms to social problems that the very same politicians created in the first place. Where is the scrutiny and hostility toward Benedict-Ratzinger, who was one of the architects of the New Order religion that supplanted the traditional Faith? And where is the indignation by these neocons over Newpope’s deliberate cover-up of his perverted subordinates who have raped and assaulted children? To many neocons, the bailout of the world’s financial systems has been a far greater “sin” and travesty than the abominations that have occurred under the reigns of Benedict-Ratzinger and his Conciliar predecessors.
The revitalization of European families will not come about through the ballot box or public policies. Instead, there must be a spiritual re-conversion of both the land and the Faith that were once so intimately intertwined. Until this fact is realized, European families will continue to deteriorate, and the baneful social consequences from their demise will only worsen.*
THANKS FOR READING THIS ESSAY: I HOPE IT WAS INFORMATIVE
MAYBEMORETOCOME–mhpierce–
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Blade_and_Blood
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Remember, indoctrination. There are kids who are required to go to “Mormon elementary school” from what I’ve heard; children are taken to Catholic school or some other private school. They grow up with it, and it’s all they know, so it’s only natural that they’d be comfortable with it. That whole “2+2=5” is not comfortable to you, or anyone else–because you learned the right way-- you can never go wrong with math, so I’ll admit that was a poor example for you to use.
You just can’t stop people from having their own beliefs; most of the time, they are obedient and become clones of each other (as far as belief and religion go; so let’s keep personality a constant). But then, you get the minority of those who warp things around in what they believe: Nearly all of the disobedient try to relieve their personal thoughts by mixing them into the religion they’re afraid to walk away from, and after awhile, some of them give up and leave. It’s pretty impossible to change their personal thoughts just as much as it is impossible to change your beliefs.
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Detales
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mhpierce,
Given that all the statistics are accurate, why in the name of all that is Holy would you wish to go with the even supposedly correct version of the Catholic Church? Even that is understood to be atheistic in its anthropomorphism and secular in its politics. I think you may wish to look deeper. And Hilaire Belloc? How often do you see such a very well intended but complete confusion of correct perception of social needs doomed by such an impossible and unnecessary, nay, damning solution? If the Church looks within itself, to before the first century, or earlier, there *might *be hope for it. But the solution will never be in a Church, or history. Bon chance!
But someone else on here was right–do post this as another thread, or this one will be locked down as going too far afield.
Bindar
Given that all the statistics are accurate, why in the name of all that is Holy would you wish to go with the even supposedly correct version of the Catholic Church? Even that is understood to be atheistic in its anthropomorphism and secular in its politics. I think you may wish to look deeper. And Hilaire Belloc? How often do you see such a very well intended but complete confusion of correct perception of social needs doomed by such an impossible and unnecessary, nay, damning solution? If the Church looks within itself, to before the first century, or earlier, there *might *be hope for it. But the solution will never be in a Church, or history. Bon chance!
But someone else on here was right–do post this as another thread, or this one will be locked down as going too far afield.
Bindar
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Veritas248
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Just because people have different beliefs doesn’t mean that every single person’s beliefs are true. The reason why people wont submit to the Truth is because they are blinded by pride, indoctrination as you said, ignorance, and bias. When men try to redefine the Truth for their own satisfaction, they are, perhaps unconsciously, imperiling themselves. Acceptance of the Truth requires a free choice. Some just aren’t willing to make that choice, and so they remain content in the lies.
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