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Veritas248 said:
For a human to create intelligence, it would require that the human had intelligence first, because otherwise they would only have no intelligence. Not a good answer.
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Sheesh, this isn’t complicated stuff.

Small, tiny, humble beginnings. Slow evolutionary progress, eventually resulted in what we have today, intelligence and conciousness to debate such a topic. 👍
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
Again: This stuff doesn’t happen overnight… except for maybe insight, that can just come to you. 🙂
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Intelligence needs something greater than itself to cause it. It just doesn’t appear over time, it needs a greater cause.
 
phantasm said:
I don’t like hurting people, it just doesn’t make me feel very good. I don’t need God to tell me not to randomly beat people to death.

Is God the only thing stopping the religious from going on killing rampages?
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🤷 Just where do you think you got the rationalization of good or bad?

This isn’t about the emotions you have in this regards, because in your own theory, those are just lumps of impulses.

Tell us where ‘good’ comes from if not a source of good.

You cannot have an agent that doesnt exist from a source.
phantasm said:
Er, you sure you read my post correctly, cause I don’t have a flippin’ clue what your yammering on about. 🤷
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Well, if you didn’t infer they were savages then you agree they were civil, had a role of leadership, sought out the sun, moon and other dynamics in life to worship as a god because in their perception someone did indeed create them.

THOSE are all God given laws in the heart.
Which was the point.

I think it’s not the scriptures that are in error, but the mistranslations of them which is causing you greater angst towards them than necessary.
Blade_and_Blood said:
You gotta crawl before you can walk, sport. Intelligence didn’t happen overnight. It builds, and humans have built it, and thrived on it, and even misused it.
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That’s another thing that makes the theory [which as i said science recently debunked] about mankind forming of themselves and coming up with laws, rules according to good or evil, is intelligence.

Why does only the human species have the intelligence to create homes, make fires, trade, use civility, and study animals around them that are pretty ‘not in the know’ of what we are doing and why.

How come mankind has this sort of superior intelligence and nothing else does?

How did a single celled - o wait - that was debunked too.
How did dirt [which science has prooven where man came from - which is so late - considering Genesis said that 6000 years ago] how did dirt create man when its not even capable of being alive or creating by itself…?

And how come we have one ‘family’ that can be tied back to one set of parents [in Africa?] and we don’t have like several different lines of sub human type species?

I mean why stop at one type.
Miraculous dirt surely can create more on its own…right?
 
phantasm said:
Sheesh, this isn’t complicated stuff.

Small, tiny, humble beginnings. Slow evolutionary progress, eventually resulted in what we have today, intelligence and conciousness to debate such a topic. 👍
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What caused these humble beginnings? How could non intelligence form them? Intelligence can grow, but first it must exist.
 
Veritas248 said:
Some humans cannot utilize the full potential of their mind. That does not mean that the computer is greater than the human mind, for it would not have existed without the human mind.
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Well, yeah, that’s a given, but that doesn’t mean computers can’t turn on us. :o The more sophisticated we create them, the more likely than can be more powerful than we are. One day.
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
Well, yeah, that’s a given, but that doesn’t mean computers can’t turn on us. :o The more sophisticated we create them, the more likely than can be more powerful than we are. One day.
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Okay, watch Battlestar Gallactica much? 😛
 
Veritas248 said:
Intelligence needs something greater than itself to cause it. It just doesn’t appear over time, it needs a greater cause.
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A greater cause, like intervention from Bal, Vishnu or Allah?

Which one, how do we know who created this intelligence. A comes before V, but Vishnu is an older God…hmmm…this is tricky.
 
Since mankind can’t even give computers any sort of sense, they cannot turn on us. We don’t have the means to create life. We can only take AI so far, then we reach an impasse.

You are starting to sound like the guy who thinks that if he piles enough rocks together, eventually the rocks will gain intelligence.
 
WarriorAngel said:
That’s another thing that makes the theory [which as i said science recently debunked] about mankind forming of themselves and coming up with laws, rules according to good or evil, is intelligence.

Why does only the human species have the intelligence to create homes, make fires, trade, use civility, and study animals arounf them that are pretty ‘not in the know’ of what they are doing and why.

How come mankind has this sort of superior intelligence and nothing else?

How did a single celled - o wait - that was debunked too.
How did dirt [which science has prooven where man came from - which is so late - considering Genesis said that 6000 years ago] how did dirt create man when its not even capable of being alive or creating…?

And how come we have one ‘family’ that can be tied back to one set of parents [in Africa?] and we don’t have like several different lines of sub human type species?

I mean why stop at one type.
Miraculous dirt surely can create more on its own…right?
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Why do black widows eat their mates? Why are bats blind? Why can’t people cease there fears of death, darkness, the unknown, and each other?
 
phantasm said:
A greater cause, like intervention from Bal, Vishnu or Allah?

Which one, how do we know who created this intelligence. A comes before V, but Vishnu is an older God…hmmm…this is tricky.
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I would bet in the One who wrote to you.
The others ones seem pretty silent at best. They seem to have a long standing tendency to ignore humans
 
Veritas248 said:
Since mankind can’t even give computers any sort of sense, they cannot turn on us. We don’t have the means to create life. We can only take AI so far, then we reach an impasse.

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Your scaring me man, you can see into the future or something?
 
phantasm said:
A greater cause, like intervention from Bal, Vishnu or Allah?

Which one, how do we know who created this intelligence. A comes before V, but Vishnu is an older God…hmmm…this is tricky.
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👍 You are getting somewhere with this.
Which one actually exists, and which ones are merely figments of the mind? The answer is out there. All you need to do is find it.
 
Adding - Allah reminds me of pretty much a man would write… [o yeah one did]
Ya know - the laws are pretty self serving…all about the prophet and how great he was. And how to collect booty and slaves, and all about how men should have sex [so forth] NOW thats something a guy would really write.

Go for the one that is the hardest to absorb and goes against the grain of sinful human nature.
 
Veritas248 said:
👍 You are getting somewhere with this.
Which one actually exists, and which ones are merely figments of the mind? The answer is out there. All you need to do is find it.
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I’ll ask a Hindu, a Muslim, a jew, a Christian, a Buddhist and a Sikh for the answer.

Hmmm, I wonder if they’ll all agree on whose God is real?
 
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WarriorAngel said:
I would bet in the One who wrote to you.
The others ones seem pretty silent at best. They seem to have a long standing tendency to ignore humans
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… if they are ignoring you, and not healing your loved ones, and never wrote to you, where’s the love??
 
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