Attack on Pope Francis Must Stop

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I am worried about the
Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord. Jeremiah 23:1
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Randolph said:
The undelining strategy of this fraud is to use the false pretense of mercy and love to undermine the very words that came directly from the lips of Christ and the perennial teachings of the Magisterium.
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How can you judge what is a false pretence of mercy and love. How can you prove 100% its false??
 
benjamin1973 said:
There’s an issue of intent. Did Jesus mean for all his words to hold true for all mankind at all stages in history, or was he giving advice to those He was speaking to at the time?
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That is a valid question, but in this instance, the Church has given us an interpretation. However, what many here never realize when bandying that Scripture, like the woman caught in adultery, it does not support or say what they think it is used to say. Rather, it is the act of divorce coupled with remarriage that constitutes an act, not a state, of adultery. The idea that adultery is an on-going state is part of Catholic teaching, but read that verse, diagram it, if you must. It only speaks of a one time event. That is why those who rely on Scripture alone do not subscribe to the whole state of adultery teaching.
 
pnewton said:
That is why those who rely on Scripture alone do not subscribe to the whole state of adultery teaching.
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A “state if adultery” as I interpret it, means a living a state of mortal sin because of committing adultery and not repenting, and/or planning to do so in the future.
 
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I was only speaking to the Scripture, and what Jesus actual said. From a literal understanding, “planning to do so in the future” would be to divorce again and remarry again, not to stay married. That is why those who adhere to the Bible alone will usually take a stance that allows repentance for the action that brought one to a second marriage, but with no requirement beyond that to separate to any degree.
 
I get what you are saying, however having any sexual relations with someone you are not married to is adultery.
 
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MCH1 said:
I get what you are saying, however having any sexual relations with someone you are not married to is adultery.
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Its interesting that Moses allowed divorce, but Jesus then says if you marry a divorced person your committing adultery. He probably condemned half the Jewish men for saying this in that era.
 
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Again, I’m left to wonder if he was really against divorce and marriage in a familial sense, or if there was some kind of cultural issue at that time which he was addressing.
 
Who needs Christ’s love the most at this time – Ireland? Our country has created similar laws, but we are OK and Ireland is bad? We should pray for all and Pope Francis needs to go where he is needed.
 
Randolph said:
The difference between these people and the saints is the saints exemplified lives of faith and obedience to Christ and the Magisterium. The heroic examples set by the saints clarified and illuminated the faith—not brought confusion, disunity or division within the faith, nor undermined the words of Christ Himself.
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And are you saying that PF is doing as such? I don’t see it and, as a matter of fact, I think he’s more concerned about the well being and faith of congregants than he is about the institution itself, much like Jesus did.

All throughout history there were all too many popes and other clergy who were more concerned about the status quo while being of privilege themselves than they were about Joe & Mary Congregant. At times, all too often the Magisterium was more concerned about their own status and the institution itself than about the congregants.

Also, as Gandhi said, anyone who thinks they can separate religion and politics doesn’t really understand religion, and I’ll add that they really don’t understand politics either. PF is shaking the troops up, much like PJPII did, and all I can say is good for them.
 
EvangelistVictor said:
Recently I’ve seen several attacks on Pope Francis by other Priest and Catholics. I believe these are from the ultra-conservative wing of Catholics. From some of the rhetoric I’ve heard, these people are causing such anger and divison that the attack is coming from within. I won’t even quote the names of these Priest and people so you won’t search for them.

Lets pray for our Pope that God continues to guide him and use Him. Some of the reforms he’s been talking about have long been needed set by the example of Christ about forgiveness of sins. If we don’t forgive others, our heavenly father won’t forgive us either. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone (John 8:7)!!!

John 13:35 (NABRE)
35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Which attacks in particular are you criticizing? Are they unfounded or unreasonable, or just delivered in an uncharitable way?
 
I am referring to bad popes in the Middle Ages and throughout the ages. The Magisterium is the deposit of faith protected by the Holy Spirit. The greedy, self-absorbed, and selfish clergy in the Hierarchy who look to fulfill their own self interests or who look to pursue their personal/political interests in the Church, rather than fulfilling the will of Christ and the mission of the Church, must face God’s judgement in due time.

Pope Francis, like all of us, will also have to answer to Christ for he did on earth—for him in particular as a shepherd of the Church and a defender/preserver of the faith. Pope Francis is our Holy Father and I will continue to pray for him and for the Church.
 
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