Attending EF form with no head covering

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TrueLight said:
I’m not hostile to the SSPX. I just don’t feel every thread has to turn into an SSPX bashing thread. But that’s all I’m saying. Carry on!
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I was not so much SSPX bashing as calling a spade a spade…sometimes the truth is just what it is.

While I can agree that there is no enforced law upon women covering their hair, I still have to wonder why it should even be an issue, or a sore spot for some…because it is true, some women, and men, feel irritated, annoyed, or perhaps even threatened, if they see a woman in a veil outside of the EF…it is not the same reaction if the woman is wearing a hat or perhaps a scarf, but for some reason the veil itself elicits annoyance in some Catholics who embrace the looser rules of dress, the modern spirit, and the new mass.

Common sense is not a trait of everyone…some just simply don’t know any better and it is incumbent upon those that do to set a good example, or the priest to set some guidelines on proper dress…afterall…nobody objects to the dress rules when going to court or to the opera or to a fancy restaurant.
 
piouswoman said:
I was not so much SSPX bashing as calling a spade a spade…sometimes the truth is just what it is. While I can agree that there is no enforced law upon women covering their hair
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True…there is no law, enforced or not.
I still have to wonder why it should even be an issue, or a sore spot for some…because it is true, some women, and men, feel irritated, annoyed, or perhaps even threatened, if they see a woman in a veil outside of the EF…it is not the same reaction if the woman is wearing a hat or perhaps a scarf, but for some reason the veil itself elicits annoyance in some Catholics who embrace the looser rules of dress, the modern spirit, and the new mass.
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There is nothing about a veil that is superior to a scarf or hat; in the old 1917 Code of Canon Law the word “veil” was never mentioned, and prior to the abrogation of that Code, most women did not veil, but wore whatever kind of headcovering was appropriate to the occasion and the weather. “Chapel veils” were generally worn for their convenience (easily stuffed into a pocket or purse) not because veils were preferable. Not wearing a veil is hardly “embracing the looser rules of dress.”
Common sense is not a trait of everyone…some just simply don’t know any better and it is incumbent upon those that do to set a good example, or the priest to set some guidelines on proper dress…afterall…nobody objects to the dress rules when going to court or to the opera or to a fancy restaurant.
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We all should dress modestly and respectfully at Mass; that may or may not include a headcovering, depending upon one’s preference.
 
dixieagle said:
True…there is no law, enforced or not.

There is nothing about a veil that is superior to a scarf or hat; in the old 1917 Code of Canon Law the word “veil” was never mentioned, and prior to the abrogation of that Code, most women did not veil, but wore whatever kind of headcovering was appropriate to the occasion and the weather. “Chapel veils” were generally worn for their convenience (easily stuffed into a pocket or purse) not because veils were preferable. Not wearing a veil is hardly “embracing the looser rules of dress.”

We all should dress modestly and respectfully at Mass; that may or may not include a headcovering, depending upon one’s preference.
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Good post…I agree that a veil should not be thought of as superior to a scarf or a hat. Because it isn’t. Mantillas are cultural, and originated in Spain. The lace veil or ‘mantilla’ that most women wear to mass is a simplified version of the traditional Spanish mantilla.

Somehow, I believe due to the internal struggle going on between Catholics, and Catholics that refer to themselves as “traditional”, the veil has become a symbol of dissent…whether or not a woman chooses to cover her hair is an unnecessary bone of contention. If a woman chooses to cover her hair, it should be admired not criticized. But those who resist cannot be blamed, either.
 
Personally I’m not sure why people choose veils. I have one, it was a gift at my confirmation but I just can’t bring myself to wear it. I much prefer my church hat. 🙂

But really no woman should be judged based on what she’s wearing. Hat, veil, bare head… that’s between her and God not you, her and God.

Some of us would do well to remember our place…
 
I don’t particularly like mantillas.

80% of the time, I wear a hat.

However, a mantilla sends to me (notice the “me”) a mental queue that I am to be humble because I would not wear that ugly thing out in the street, LOL.
 
TrueLight said:
I don’t particularly like mantillas.

80% of the time, I wear a hat.

However, a mantilla sends to me (notice the “me”) a mental queue that I am to be humble because I would not wear that ugly thing out in the street, LOL.
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See… I think they’re pretty! And I think they make women look gorgeous and that’s where my issue with the mantilla comes in.

How is something that makes a woman MORE beautiful humbling? Haha. Personal taste I guess?
 
I like mantillas when worn traditionally by Spanish women…the lace triangles made from cheap polyester lace and hemmed around the edges are not attractive…beautifully made Spanish mantillas are a far cry from those triangles…I have a small collection of Spanish mantillas, one belonged to my grandmother.
 
nickybr38 said:
See… I think they’re pretty! And I think they make women look gorgeous and that’s where my issue with the mantilla comes in.

How is something that makes a woman MORE beautiful humbling? Haha. Personal taste I guess?
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piouswoman said:
I like mantillas when worn traditionally by Spanish women…the lace triangles made from cheap polyester lace and hemmed around the edges are not attractive…beautifully made Spanish mantillas are a far cry from those triangles…I have a small collection of Spanish mantillas, one belonged to my grandmother.
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Right. And the ones purchased from the church office are not those beautiful ones.

There is a woman in the parish who has one she made herself. It’s beautiful.

Nevertheless, beautiful or not, a mantilla does tend to cover a woman’s profile, which helps with the humility factor. Also, I find when I am not wearing a mantilla, I tend to fix my hair. 🤷 🙂
 
TrueLight said:
Right. And the ones purchased from the church office are not those beautiful ones.
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Our church office doesn’t sell veils of any sort (I’m the only one in my parish who consistently covers my head). If you want one you have to go buy one somewhere else. The only ones I’ve ever seen are beautiful. 🙂 But if they aren’t I can understand a bit more how it could be humbling.
 
nickybr38 said:
Our church office doesn’t sell veils of any sort (I’m the only one in my parish who consistently covers my head). If you want one you have to go buy one somewhere else. The only ones I’ve ever seen are beautiful. 🙂 But if they aren’t I can understand a bit more how it could be humbling.
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You want humbling? How about the Kleenex we had to wear when we went to the school’s weekly Masses? 😉
 
dixieagle said:
You want humbling? How about the Kleenex we had to wear when we went to the school’s weekly Masses? 😉
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Worse, I once had to “make do” with a couple of strips of what is politely referred to as “bathroom tissue,” because the Kleenex box was empty:eek:

I think the humility factor is submission to a directive from the Church (which may or may not actually still exist,) not submission to anyone or anything else. BTW–“humility” is to be distinguished from “humiliation,” at least in English!

Since I can’t figure out how to place that stupid mantilla on my head (without a mirror) without it dangling in my face when I bow, try to read, or anything else, I think I’ll just stick with a seasonally appropriate hat. For me, it’s less distracting. I spend more time fooling with that annoying mantilla than paying attention to the Mass!
 
odile53 said:
Worse, I once had to “make do” with a couple of strips of what is politely referred to as “bathroom tissue,” because the Kleenex box was empty:eek:

I think the humility factor is submission to a directive from the Church (which may or may not actually still exist,) not submission to anyone or anything else. BTW–“humility” is to be distinguished from “humiliation,” at least in English!

Since I can’t figure out how to place that stupid mantilla on my head (without a mirror) without it dangling in my face when I bow, try to read, or anything else, I think I’ll just stick with a seasonally appropriate hat. For me, it’s less distracting. I spend more time fooling with that annoying mantilla than paying attention to the Mass!
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👍 Amen. Pretty as they are they are hard as heck to keep in place. My sister has perfected this art but I just can’t.
 
nickybr38 said:
👍 Amen. Pretty as they are they are hard as heck to keep in place. My sister has perfected this art but I just can’t.
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One strategically placed bobby pin, sister.

Speaking of mantillas, I forgot to take either a mantilla or a hat with me to mass tonight. I briefly played with the idea of buying a $14 cap at a little accessories store near the church, but decided not to.

So I felt kind of weird, but oh well. Life goes on!
 
piouswoman said:
I don’t know if DeoGratias was being sarcastic or not…the SSPX is a sore spot for me now.
I agree with you, there is no reason on earth for any ‘trad’ to go to a SSPX chapel when there is an alternative…and if there is no alternative…then go to the OF.

The SSPX are absolutely elitist…and the faithful that go to their chapels have an idea that they are the remnant…many have an unkind attitude towards anyone who isn’t ‘traditional’.
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I have read the websites for a few SSPX parishes. I’d much rather drive 50+ miles one way for a EF at a parish that is part of a diocese in communion with the Holy See. I do not mind veiling myself as I do so freely for both forms. I do wear trousers/pants to Mass sometimes with a modest yet nice top appropriate for the weather which is something they would take offense at a woman wearing to Mass. I am not also not liking that they will not allow Communion unless you spoke to the priest ahead of time, etc.
 
MissRose73 said:
I am not also not liking that they will not allow Communion unless you spoke to the priest ahead of time, etc.
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As far as I know (I am not a frequenter of SSPX chapels) they do not refuse anyone Holy Communion who appears to be properly disposed.
 
w_s_s said:
As far as I know (I am not a frequenter of SSPX chapels) they do not refuse anyone Holy Communion who appears to be properly disposed.
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How does one appear to be properly disposed? Aside of course from kneeling to receive on the tongue. I know no one is going to receive communion standing and in the hand at those chapels or at FSSP chapels either.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Do they really?
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“There is a second reason why modesty of dress is especially applicable to women over men. It is that there is a special form of immodesty that is characteristic of our modern times, and it is the immodesty of women wearing men’s clothes, most notably pants and shorts. This undermines a woman’s psychological perception of herself, and of her difference from a man, which in turn de-feminizes her, erodes natural respect between men and women, removes the defense to over-familiarity, and eventually degrades the relationships between men and women to the level of sensuality. It is this form of immodesty which is ultimately by far the most destructive of human relationships and of the virtue of purity.”

Taken from the SSPX website, Catholic FAQ section
 
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