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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I can think of a few popular and immoral things to do in this age. Society doesn’t view it as such but it is…
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theCardinalbird
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I think it was Thorolfr. Oh well.
As a wise man once said about slavery:
It is with justice, we believe, that the condition of slavery is the result of sin. And this is why we do not find the word ‘slave’ in any part of Scripture until righteous Noah branded the sin of his son with this name. It is a name, therefore, introduced by sin and not by nature.
-St Augustine, The City of God, 19: 15
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Alex337
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… that implies that slaves are slaves because of their sin.Alex337:
I think it was Thorolfr. Oh well.
As a wise man once said about slavery:
It is with justice, we believe, that the condition of slavery is the result of sin. And this is why we do not find the word ‘slave’ in any part of Scripture until righteous Noah branded the sin of his son with this name. It is a name, therefore, introduced by sin and not by nature.
-St Augustine, The City of God, 19: 15
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theCardinalbird
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Augustine said that slavery was the result of the Fall, but he also thought that the universe did have a natural structure that gave some men authority over others (meaning regal power probably)
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Arkansan
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Plenty of perfectly loving parents spank their children.
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Alex337
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That quote places the blame on the slaves. Much like how he believes masters should beat their slaves to discipline them. Maybe step away from Augustine’s views on slavery.Alex337:
the condition of man making slaves of each other is a result of sin coming into this world. In a perfect world, slavery would not exist
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theCardinalbird
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Does my edited post say anything different?
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Arkansan
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That’s not what he said. He said that slavery exists because of sin, not that it’s a punishment for the sins of individual slaves (the same is true of any affliction).
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I thought it meant that things like slavery exist because of the first sin that caused these sorts of problems.
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Alex337
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The thing is it still read as the slaves sin being what made slavery necessary. Otherwise he would have went on to tell people not to enslave people rather than how to properly beat their slaves.Alex337:
Does my edited post say anything different?
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Arkansan
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@Alex337
Is your objection to the use of corporal punishment, or only to slavery itself?
Is your objection to the use of corporal punishment, or only to slavery itself?
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I wonder what kind of objective arguments can be used against it, just to have an understanding of what their morality is based on.
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Alex337
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All frankness after seeing some of your views on other threads I don’t particular want to discuss things with you.
My objection is to both.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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You could probably defend anything if enough people support the view.
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theCardinalbird
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Slavery is the result of the fall. Some people have more authority then others, the idea of hierarchy is in heaven and earth.
Also we went through this. Beating slaves is wrong, disciplining in general however (without using unnecessary force), is just
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Arkansan
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This is a public thread. I’ll participate as I see fit, whether you reply is your prerogative.
What are your objections to corporal punishment?
What are your objections to corporal punishment?
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Alex337
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Owning. Slaves. Is. Wrong.Alex337:
Slavery is the result of the fall. Some people have more authority then others, the idea of hierarchy is in heaven and earth.
Also we went through this. Beating slaves is wrong, disciplining in general however (without using unnecessary force), is just
Slavery is the fault of those who do it, Augustine in particular as he not only did it but preached the “moral” way to do it.
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Alex337
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And I ignore you as I see fit.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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But objectively what is wrong about it?
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