Australian Priest Claims Jesus Was Not God

[rjs1]

T it’s not our job to judge a holy priest. …
We need to encourage faithful priests like this, not discourage them. He is a model priest ISTM.

This “holy”, “model” priest has been destroying a parish by allowing and perpetrating numerous offences to Catholic belief and practice. He allowed a statue of Buddah to be placed in the Church among numerous other violations.

He is NOT a holy priest, he is an absolute disgrace!

St Paul said clearly what must be done with those who lead the faithful astray. Our Lord said that those who lead the little ones astray should have a millstone placed around their necks and be thrown into the ocean.

This priest has to go and the sooner the better. Then a truly holy priest needs to be appointed to the parish to work hard and undo the enormous harm the heretic and his heretical friend (another priest) have done.

If you do not believe that Our Lord is and was truly God as well as truly Man, then you need to join some pagan belief system, because you are not ready to be a member of the Catholic Church.

 

[benedictus2]

The book has been pulled from the above link. Please look at peterdresser.wordpress.com/ for an explanation. The priest says he definitely believes in the divinity of Jesus and the virginity of His mother. Has anyone read the book? Is this explanation plausible?

He is a heretic plain and simple. He should be excommunicated. His apology is hallow and insincere. His beliefs are right there in the book which completely contradicts his stated belief in the Divinity of Christ.

This gives a very good analysis of it. Very much worth reading.

http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2008/11/fr-peter-dresser-apologizes-sort-of.html

This is what happens when people become puffed up with pride and start relying on their own intellect.

 

[Nexistepas]

What is there so much to babble about? He claims Jesus was not God, great, so do so many others. Some magician from 2000 years ago still causing trouble today.

 

[aussie_melkite]

What is there so much to babble about? He claims Jesus was not God, great, so do so many others. Some magician from 2000 years ago still causing trouble today.

and he’s fully intitled to have that opinion (nomatter how stupid and un-enlightened it is)…but is he wishes to do so HE CAN LEAVE THE CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD.

being a Catholic means we have to accept the Bible, the Teachings of the Fathers, The Sacred Councils, the Pope’s etc…if he’s going to teach someting contradictory to the Catholic faith then he has no right to be a Catholic Priest…he run off and join any old cult/herasy he likes, no-one is forcing him to stay.

 

[benedictus2]

Thank you. I missed what you said for some reason. It definitely is plausible and it’s not our job to judge a holy priest.

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We need to encourage faithful priests like this, not discourage them. He is a model priest ISTM.

He is not a holy priest. He is being used by Satan to spread his lies.

What he says in his apology is so contrary to what he has written in the bookl You cannot reconcile the two positions.

I belive he lies in his apology becuase his beliefs are what is contained in the document.

Read an analysis of it on this link http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2008/11/fr-peter-dresser-apologizes-sort-of.html

 

[Nexistepas]

and he’s fully intitled to have that opinion (nomatter how stupid and un-enlightened it is)…but is he wishes to do so HE CAN LEAVE THE CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD.

being a Catholic means we have to accept the Bible, the Teachings of the Fathers, The Sacred Councils, the Pope’s etc…if he’s going to teach someting contradictory to the Catholic faith then he has no right to be a Catholic Priest…he run off and join any old cult/herasy he likes, no-one is forcing him to stay.

I guess that’s fair enough that one should not be doing something opposite of what their institution teaches, but at the end of the day, this isn’t going to solve the global crisis is it?

It’s people going about and doing something that makes the difference, not falling half asleep and praying for magic.

 

[benedictus2]

and he’s fully intitled to have that opinion (nomatter how stupid and un-enlightened it is)…but is he wishes to do so HE CAN LEAVE THE CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD.

being a Catholic means we have to accept the Bible, the Teachings of the Fathers, The Sacred Councils, the Pope’s etc…if he’s going to teach someting contradictory to the Catholic faith then he has no right to be a Catholic Priest…he run off and join any old cult/herasy he likes, no-one is forcing him to stay.

Aussie_melkite, nexistepas post is not worth the bother.

 

[benedictus2]

And here’s what he believes about the resurrection:

But that makes no sense to Fr. Dresser. It insults his intelligence.

Thank goodness you were able to grab the text before it was taken off air. I knew he was lying in his apology.

Thank you for posting them.

 

[benedictus2]

And here’s what he believes about the resurrection:

It is important that we do not accept resurrection in a literal sense as being a resuscitation – and Jesus literally coming alive and dancing on the tomb! Those who insist on interpreting Jesus’ resurrection as his physical restoration have perhaps never considered the difficulties raised by such a view. Sadly, for many and perhaps most Christians the resurrection is simply the reversal of the death of Jesus. Jesus somehow resumed his corpse and physically emerged from the tomb. It is the meaning and significance of resurrection that are the important issues. In practical terms the resurrection means that “the community (of the Church) lives in the awareness that the dead Jesus is alive and with his community.” In other words the focus or locus of resurrection was in the minds and hearts of the followers of Jesus. For the disciples to have reached the conviction that God raised Jesus from the dead, some process of conversion, a growing faith must have preceded this point. The Kerygma or the teaching proclamation of the early church was that Jesus was alive and well but this assertion does not rely on evidence about an empty tomb.
He almost gets it. The resurrection of Jesus was not mere resuscitation or reversal of death. It was passing through death and coming to a fuller, glorified life. That life includes a physical body which has become supernatural.

But that makes no sense to Fr. Dresser. It insults his intelligence.

He conveniently fails to mention the appearance to Thomas, eating with the disciples on the shore, etc.

 

[Saintlucy]

What is the present position of this heretic priest? Has he gone yet? If not, why not?

 

[jfhh]

Wilfrid Harrington, O.P. in The Modern Catholic Encyclopedia’s entry on Resurrection:

If one can put it so, the resurecction of Jesus is an event at once eschatological and historical. In essence it is a spiritual event, beyond our world of time, and yet it has impinged on our world of time.

Paul uses the verb ophte to state that Christ appeared to Cephas, to the other witnesses listed, and to Paul himself (…). The word can be rednered “he showed himself.” **It means that the risen Jesus manfiested himself as present in some fashion so that Paul, and the others, can say, “I have seen the Lord.” What is involved is a divine initiative leading to a real experieince of the presence of the Lord and a firm conviction of the reality of this presence. Something happened to these men and women which they could only describe by saying they had “seen the Lord”, that the Lord had “shown himself” to them. (…) Such occurrences, on the threshold of ordinary human experience, just would not submit to rpecision of detail. Only symbol and imagery, not literal prose, could tell this story (…)

It is evident from our Gospels that the resurrection of Jesus is not at all the resuscitation of a corpse in a sense of a return to earthly life. The resurrection of Jesus means his rising to life beyond death. The risen Jesus lives a life that trascends earthly life; he has broken out of the confines of time and place. The risen Jesus was present to his disciples in a new and unfettered manner. And not only to his original disciples; he is present, potentially, to all men … through time and history … “I am with you always, to the close of the age.” He is the same Jesus of his earthly life, but now transformed. Paul can declare “The last Adam [Christ] became a life-giving Spirit” … living a Spirit0life now and no longer a life of flesh. Christians came to understand that “eternal life” is life with God and with the risen Jesus. That conviction is enshrined in the promise to the “good thief” … Ambrose: [Latin] Life means living with Christ. Where Christ is, there too is life and there is the kingdom. Now the creed has meaning for me: “I believe in … life everlasting”

The resurrection is not about some showy miracle. The resurrection is about a victory over the sting of death. Jesus is risen. In Jesus the resurrection of all long believed in Judaism at the eschaton intersects with Jesus’ example on the Cross. For it is in dying that we are born to eternal life, as that prayer of St. Francis of Assisi says. Let’s be frank. Did some bodily remain remain on earth after the resurrection? Probably. Surely for example, Jesus’ hair that fell out in the course of his life would have remained in various places and those particles would still be around on earth or space today. The resurrection is not a spiritual life that transcends a resuscitation; it is not a resuscitation at all. The kind of body that Jesus has is transfigured, it is unlike any body that we can fathom. To mortals it may appear more spiritual than bodily; scripture actually calls resurrected bodies “spiritual bodies.”

A lot of the views of the Australian priest are unpopular with conservatives, but some are shared by apologists… for ex. the Australian priest does not profess that Jesus knew he was God. IIRC, Mark Shea also does not profess that, saying “it beats me” with respect to when Jesus came to know he was God. I think that all misses the point. God is not thinking “Wow, look at me; I’m God!” … that’s not God. God is a kenosis of love and that was what Jesus exemplified in the divine economy; Jesus was a window to that kenosis, an icon of God, the “realsymbol” of God per Rahner. The divine economy reached a certain culmination in Jesus where in that economy with definitiveness it was revealed that God is love. The unveiling of that love itself is ongoing revelation (this also is jargon which people here may not understand … I know it’s common to say that revelation closed with the death of the last Apostle but all the modern theologians speak of ongoing revealtion … they are talking about something else here besides new data of revelation proper to dogmatic formulation) and which will reach another culmination in the Second Coming and then in the Last Judgment.

The heart of faith is not in formulas. The resurrection is not a formula. It is a living reality of faith; it is the kerygma experience of the faith community. And the priest is right. If the disciples had not this experience, they could not have seen the risen Lord. Recall as the Dominican priest put it the language of symbol and how the disciples were with Jesus but did not recognize him and how later when he was gone, they realized in their faith that Jesus lives – “lives” here means in essense the spiritual life that is humans’ destiny. They realized too that even when their hearts were burning when they were with that man. That man probably was not Jesus. (If it were, they would have noticed the resemblance even if they didn’t think it was Jesus, they still would have noticed like you do when you see a brother of a friend, but they didn’t) Yet he is called Jesus. Why? Because Jesus was made manifest, made present to them in that man. Jesus “showed himself” to them through that man JUST AS in the liturgy and the sacrament which is the Church, PRIESTS are the means and icons by which Jesus shows himself to us. When priests are said to act in the person of Christ, in the capacity of Christ the head of the Church – that’s not just poetry, Christ is truly in spiritual reality and BODILY reality (in the priest himself and also in the bread and wine) making his risen presence known just as He did to the disciples. So too the historical Resurrection was both spiritual in essence yet bodily in form.**

 

[benedictus2]

PRIESTS are the means and icons by which Jesus shows himself to us. When priests are said to act in the person of Christ, in the capacity of Christ the head of the Church – that’s not just poetry, Christ is truly in spiritual reality and BODILY reality

True, but it is not unknown that some priests even bishops are heretics and this one is. He even said that it is better had Arianism triumped.

And the Church has condemned that heresy. Arius was a priest and Nestorius was a Bishop.

What is troubling about heresy more than the other scandals is that if it takes hold it will lead people astray.

I think Dresser is dabbling in new age.

 

[Cinette]

Australian Priest Claims Jesus Was Not God

Surely this man has excommunicated himself and is no longer a Priest.

He should join the JWs.

The Catholic Church should have nothing to do with such a man!

Unbelievable!

 

[rjs1]

The facts are clear.
An apostate priest has been teaching heresy, he has been leading astray a whole congregation.
He has been officially warned.
Now is the time for action.
I can only pray that the Archbishop, a renowned liberal who has tollerated all sorts of abuses in his diocese for years, will now act!
The immortal souls of a congregation have been endangered by this disgraceful priest the Archbishop must act.

 

[benedictus2]

The facts are clear.
An apostate priest has been teaching heresy, he has been leading astray a whole congregation.
He has been officially warned.
Now is the time for action.
I can only pray that the Archbishop, a renowned liberal who has tollerated all sorts of abuses in his diocese for years, will now act!
The immortal souls of a congregation have been endangered by this disgraceful priest the Archbishop must act.

Are you referring to Archbishop Pell? As far as I know, he is far from liberal. It is precisely because of his orthodox stand that the liberals in Melbourne hated him.

 

[Cinette]

At the turn of the century there were several conferences I am told, with the the theme, “Missionaries of the 21st century are the laity”. That is terrific, that is important and so right!!.

For this reason, we the laity should petition the Bishop and say, “Hey, how can you allow something like this? There are souls in danger”.

I said this on another thread:

*There was a time when Doctors would threat their patients by giving an injection and prescript some medicine and send them on their way. Today, Doctors have to explain to the patient what is wrong and sometimes even suggest a 2nd opinion. Why? Because there is so much information out there and Doctors know that patients are more well informed.

Similarly, Priests must be careful what they say from the pulpil because the congregation is better catechised. Not all, but some know their theology. People are more inclined to question than in the past.*

So, I believe it is time for action. We, the laity, must raise our voices in protest. Bombard the office of the Bishop with emails. We know the power of words. We know the power of the Internet. The Internet can be a great evil but it can also be a source of good. It depends who is “driving” it.

I got the impression that Pell is an Archbishop and may not be the immediate superior of that priest. However, I do know that Pell is 100% Catholic. I saw him on the TV at World Youth Day and I also saw several interviews with him on EWTN. If I am not mistaken sometime back they tried to make accusations against him. No, he is a friend of God. I am sure if you contact him he will take immediate action. He will contact the local bishop etc…

Listen to me!!! Here I am sitting in South Africa telling you what you should do!! But here again, we the laity are the missionaries of the 21st century and we must be ready for ACTION against the evil one.

Send me Pell’s email address and I will send him a forceful email!

Blessings
Cinette

 

[rjs1]

Are you referring to Archbishop Pell? As far as I know, he is far from liberal. It is precisely because of his orthodox stand that the liberals in Melbourne hated him.

No! No! No!
As I said before, Cardinal Pell is NOT this heretical priest’s archbishop. Cardinal Pell is my Archbishop here in Sydney.

The heretical priest is in Brisbane and his Archbishop is a renowned liberal who has had a long history of not supporting orthodox laity in their complaints against liturgical, and other, abuses. His inaction against past offences has come back to “bite” him with this latest scandal.
This scandal is so bad that Rome has found out about it and the weak Archbishop of Brisbane has been forced to do something - though so far all he done is threaten.

 

[aussie_melkite]

No! No! No!
As I said before, Cardinal Pell is NOT this heretical priest’s archbishop. Cardinal Pell is my Archbishop here in Sydney.

The heretical priest is in Brisbane and his Archbishop is a renowned liberal who has had a long history of not supporting orthodox laity in their complaints against liturgical, and other, abuses. His inaction against past offences has come back to “bite” him with this latest scandal.
This scandal is so bad that Rome has found out about it and the weak Archbishop of Brisbane has been forced to do something - though so far all he done is threaten.

its a shame Rome doesnt do somehting about the Archbishop of Brisbane himself…its hard to prune dead branches on the tree when the roots are rotten to the core.

 

[Cinette]

No! No! No!
As I said before, Cardinal Pell is NOT this heretical priest’s archbishop. Cardinal Pell is my Archbishop here in Sydney.

The heretical priest is in Brisbane and his Archbishop is a renowned liberal who has had a long history of not supporting orthodox laity in their complaints against liturgical, and other, abuses. His inaction against past offences has come back to “bite” him with this latest scandal.
This scandal is so bad that Rome has found out about it and the weak Archbishop of Brisbane has been forced to do something - though so far all he done is threaten.

I thought Pell was an upright and authentic Catholic Archbishop.

Let us use our people power. Please give me the Archbishop of Brisbane’s email address and I will get South Africans to pelt him with emails calling for action.

Thanking you

Cinette

 

[Rex_Tremendae]

This priest needs to be excommunicated!!