Austrian bishops barred from Jewish holy site in Jerusalem for wearing crosses

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Thirteen Austrian bishops were barred from praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall last week by Jewish religious authorities when they refused to take off their crosses, according to Austrian officials. On a planned visit on Thursday to the wall — the holiest place where Jews can pray — the bishops were given an ultimatum by the rabbi of the site: Either remove the crosses or stand behind a fence several meters (yards) from the site. The bishops refused the request and watched people praying from behind the fence, according to an Austrian official.

I bet the Godless people of peace and tolerance are just gloating with joy over this one. May God convert the hearts of these perfidious people.
 
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Thirteen Austrian bishops were barred from praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall last week by Jewish religious authorities when they refused to take off their crosses, according to Austrian officials. On a planned visit on Thursday to the wall — the holiest place where Jews can pray — the bishops were given an ultimatum by the rabbi of the site: Either remove the crosses or stand behind a fence several meters (yards) from the site. The bishops refused the request and watched people praying from behind the fence, according to an Austrian official.

I bet the Godless people of peace and tolerance are just gloating with joy over this one. May God convert the hearts of these perfidious people.
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What is the Christian significance of the Western Wall?
 
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
said that while the site is open to all religions, worshippers are expected not to offend the sensitivities of Jews. "Appearing like that at the wall plaza and at a meeting with me is insulting and provocative," Rabinowitz told the Israeli daily Maariv. "I told them that the pope didn’t show up at the wall with a cross, but hid it."On a historic visit to the holy land in 2000, Pope John Paul II prayed at the Western Wall, stuffing a prayer between the cracks — a Jewish ritual to ask God to fulfill a wish. Pictures show the pope wearing a cross while praying.

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How is wearing a cross offending the sensitivities of jews??
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Seems like some of the Jews are suffering from the “spirit of Vatican II” disease, via the “spirit of Vatican II” generation of lukewarm Catholics. I don’t think John Paul II hid is pectoral cross when he was at the Western wall. Oh no, Israel if they told the Holy Father to do the same thing, they’d loose their credibility real real fast.
 
bones_IV said:
Seems like some of the Jews are suffering from the “spirit of Vatican II” disease, via the “spirit of Vatican II” generation of lukewarm Catholics. I don’t think John Paul II hid is pectoral cross when he was at the Western wall. Oh no, Israel if they told the Holy Father to do the same thing, they’d loose their credibility real real fast.
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he didn;t he wore it PROUDLY for ALL to see…http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/01082004/532946/SIN272D_wa.jpg
 
:cool: There is no Christian signifinace to the Wailing Wall.
Yes the Holy Father wore his.Don’t forget,while the pope is not only the leader of the I believe largest Christian denomination in the world, he is also a political leader.The popes have been for centuries,and the US has an ambassedor to the Vatican.
JP2 was also Polish,not an Austrian.There is more underlying this than just the fact they were wearing crosses or cruxifixes.
If I went to the Holy Land,it is to see the places Jesus was born ,preformed His ministry at and died.
Do not understand why they wanted to go there in the first place.
It’s not a christian site.
Don’t know too much about the jews in Austria when Hitler took it over, but I believe hard feelings still exist after all these years.
The rabbi in charge of the Wailing Wall may not have even been born in Israel,but in Austria or had relatives in Austria who were placed in camps.It maybe he feels the Church in Austria did little to help the Jews.He is probably aware that many Catholic Poles tried to help jewish families,certainly children,and many suffered along with the jews under the Nazis.A group of Sisters of the Most Holy Family were martyered by the Nazis and have been declared either Blessed or Saints,I forgot which at this time.
Therefore,there are several factors involved which didnot prohibt JP2 from appearing with the cross at the Wailing Wall.
 
HollyDolly said:
:cool: There is no Christian signifinace to the Wailing Wall.
Yes the Holy Father wore his.Don’t forget,while the pope is not only the leader of the I believe largest Christian denomination in the world, he is also a political leader.The popes have been for centuries,and the US has an ambassedor to the Vatican.
JP2 was also Polish,not an Austrian.There is more underlying this than just the fact they were wearing crosses or cruxifixes.
If I went to the Holy Land,it is to see the places Jesus was born ,preformed His ministry at and died.
Do not understand why they wanted to go there in the first place.
It’s not a christian site.
Don’t know too much about the jews in Austria when Hitler took it over, but I believe hard feelings still exist after all these years.
The rabbi in charge of the Wailing Wall may not have even been born in Israel,but in Austria or had relatives in Austria who were placed in camps.It maybe he feels the Church in Austria did little to help the Jews.He is probably aware that many Catholic Poles tried to help jewish families,certainly children,and many suffered along with the jews under the Nazis.A group of Sisters of the Most Holy Family were martyered by the Nazis and have been declared either Blessed or Saints,I forgot which at this time.
Therefore,there are several factors involved which didnot prohibt JP2 from appearing with the cross at the Wailing Wall.
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But that is not what the good Rabbi said…he said it was offending the sensitivities of jews to wear a cross.
What does this have to do with the holocaust or Nazi’s?
Also he lied or was simply not well informed when he said…
I told them that the pope didn’t show up at the wall with a cross, but hid it."
of course we know that the Pope did NO SUCH thing!
 
Is anyone else tired of bending our Church over backwards, just to make others happy? This one-way ecumenism gets really old.
 
HollyDolly said:
:cool: There is no Christian signifinace to the Wailing Wall.
Yes the Holy Father wore his.Don’t forget,while the pope is not only the leader of the I believe largest Christian denomination in the world, he is also a political leader.The popes have been for centuries,and the US has an ambassedor to the Vatican.
JP2 was also Polish,not an Austrian.There is more underlying this than just the fact they were wearing crosses or cruxifixes.
If I went to the Holy Land,it is to see the places Jesus was born ,preformed His ministry at and died.
Do not understand why they wanted to go there in the first place.
It’s not a christian site.
Don’t know too much about the jews in Austria when Hitler took it over, but I believe hard feelings still exist after all these years.
The rabbi in charge of the Wailing Wall may not have even been born in Israel,but in Austria or had relatives in Austria who were placed in camps.It maybe he feels the Church in Austria did little to help the Jews.He is probably aware that many Catholic Poles tried to help jewish families,certainly children,and many suffered along with the jews under the Nazis.A group of Sisters of the Most Holy Family were martyered by the Nazis and have been declared either Blessed or Saints,I forgot which at this time.
Therefore,there are several factors involved which didnot prohibt JP2 from appearing with the cross at the Wailing Wall.
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Are you trying to suggest that the crucifix is an accusation of deicide. Wow! Profound. What a pithy interjection.
 
davy39 said:
Is anyone else tired of bending our Church over backwards, just to make others happy? This one-way ecumenism gets really old.
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Ecumenists all worship the same gods. It is said that the AntiChrist will be a false ecumenist. 😦
 
When leading rabbis have audience with the popes they were never told to remove the Star of David.

The demand to remove the crosses must run deeper than we can imagine.
 
I think it is not the same for the Star of David and the Cross. We are not threatened or annoyed by the Star of David because it is part of our faith’s history whil the Cross s not part of Judaism.

I think they lose points though by allowing the Pope to wear his cross. If it is a big deal then they should enforce against all. They may have chjanged the regulations regarding the Wailing Wall visits after JP II visited but the Austrians were visitors and should respect the host’s rules or not visit.
 
Respectfully, the point is being missed.

Why is the Cross offensive? Is it because It symbolizes Jesus? If that “offends” then the Austrian bishops who are Jesus’ disciples on earth are also “offensive.” And, taking it one step further, then WE offend them as well.

This idea of banning the crosses is not well thought out OR there is a great undercurrent of resentment to Jesus and His flock.

I cannot see an “acceptance” of the Star of David" in the Christian community as being a threat; so how is the Cross a threat? The Cross is NOT a symbol of hate or persecution…is it?

What we see is INTOLERANCE–pure and simple. There should be more consideration and hospitality but instead "crosses are banned? " Christianity is not going to go away and Jerusalem is the City of God ; it is where Jesus walked and it is as much a revered site to christians as well as non-christians. Where are we going in all of this?

There has to be some sanity by people in decisionmaking positions.
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
But that is not what the good Rabbi said…he said it was offending the sensitivities of jews to wear a cross.
What does this have to do with the holocaust or Nazi’s?
Also he lied or was simply not well informed when he said…
I told them that the pope didn’t show up at the wall with a cross, but hid it."
of course we know that the Pope did NO SUCH thing!
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The Western Wall (aka, The Wailing Wall) is the bottom most part of what was once the Temple during Jesus’ time. That is just a remnant as the “Dome of the Rock” sits where the Jrewish Temple once was. The Temple was virtually destroyed leaving only theat retention wall. The Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 AD.

Jesus foretold the destruction of the Temple when He said, “…there will be not one stone upon another…”
The Temple is where Jesus preached on many occasions…it (Temple) is where Jesus was as a young boy and seemingly lost for a couple of days. Mary and Joseph went back to Jerusalem to seek Him.

There is very much Christian interest in the Wall because it represents Christian history as well.
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
But that is not what the good Rabbi said…he said it was offending the sensitivities of jews to wear a cross.
What does this have to do with the holocaust or Nazi’s?
Also he lied or was simply not well informed when he said…
I told them that the pope didn’t show up at the wall with a cross, but hid it."
of course we know that the Pope did NO SUCH thing!
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johnstown_johnn said:
The Western Wall (aka, The Wailing Wall) is the bottom most part of what was once the Temple during Jesus’ time. That is just a remnant as the “Dome of the Rock” sits where the Jrewish Temple once was. The Temple was virtually destroyed leaving only theat retention wall. The Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 AD.

Jesus foretold the destruction of the Temple when He said, “…there will be not one stone upon another…”
The Temple is where Jesus preached on many occasions…it (Temple) is where Jesus was as a young boy and seemingly lost for a couple of days. Mary and Joseph went back to Jerusalem to seek Him.

There is very much Christian interest in the Wall because it represents Christian history as well.
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Sorry how does your post (in reply to mine) relate to mine?
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I specifically asked how a cross offended jews and why did the rabbi tell a fib in regards to the Popes visit?
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Sorry how does your post (in reply to mine) relate to mine?
:confused:

I specifically asked how a cross offended jews and why did the rabbi tell a fib in regards to the Popes visit?
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My reply mistakenly was for a poster ahead of us who needed to know the significance of the Wall in regards christianity. Sorry.

The event at the Wall wherby the 13 Austrian bishops were prohibited from wearing their crosses is disrespectful so much so that the “CROSS” is as much a part of their attire as their garments.

It’s not a stretch to conclude there is a deep adversity to Jesus STILL in Jerusalem. In some places there it seems 2,000 years have past and the adversaries to Him are present still.

Makes one wonder if Christianity is so frail that it can be insulted and compromised.

Remember Jesus said, “…the world will hate you because of Me but remember it hated Me first…”
 
:cool: Johnstown John,you hit the nail on the head.It is intolorance.
What does this have to do with the Holocaust and Nazis,alot,and more than you know.There is still ill feelings among many jews against the German and Austrian people.My sister’s boyfriend Ross is a jew and knows our father was German and that we had relatives in the Wermacht in Germany during WW2.But that doesn’t bother him
or his relatives.They like my sister a great deal and care about her.Many jews are just like Ross,but others not.
Old hatreds run deep. Look at the Muslims,they drag up the Crusades and took offense at a remark the Pope ,think he made the remark in Germany.
By the way,Time magazine several years ago had an article
I think about reperations to the victims of the Nazis.
They had interviewed a Polish Catholic man who before coming to the US after the war,worked as slave labor at Auschwitz.
This man talked about his experience.He also mentioned that he had encounters with other survivors on occasion. When these people found out he wasn’t a jew,they couldn’t be bothered any more with him. It made him angry because what did it matter that he wasn’t a jew?Hadn’t they both suffered horribly?Yet to those people it did matter.

Could the Cross be a symbol of Deicide to them,yes.However there are all kinds of visitors to the Holy Land.Many of whom wear a cross,crucifix,or other religious symbols,especially members of religious orders. No fuss has been raised about them.
I think and still believe there is more to the story.
 
To think the Cross is some kind of connect with the Holocaust and therefore justifies their aversion to it is absolutely false. The “Holocaust” could be just a smokescreen that enables outward enmity to the Cross.

The Talmud was compiled LONG before…loooong before WW2 and the Holocaust. In it (Talmud) is rife with hatred for Our Lord.

Maybe there is some “intolerance” for the Austrian bishops but NONE of them are old enough to have been a part of the Holocaust. One would have to be in his nineties to be even a suspect.

St. John wrote in his Gospel, “…He came unto His own and His own received Him not…”

There is no doubt that a deep hatred for Jesus STILL exists and that means those that hate Him, hate us.

I apologize for all those that hate the Son of God.
 
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