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Shoshana
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brotherhrolf
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I hear you Sho. I’m fortunate to be a member of a reverent NO cathedral parish. But there is still an element missing. We sing Chant, lots of sacred polyphony, lots of incense, but…I don’t know how to put it in words. It involves my own mindset. I am in a different world at a TLM. The focus is entirely different. The TLM is, to me, God driven worship. The focus is on HIM. The NO is about community. I’m still trying to get a better appreciation of my own feelings about this.
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mary_bobo
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Brotherhrolf,
I am somewhat older than you and as I have mentioned before, I was away from the church for many years. I had been in the choir, sang the Latin parts of the Mass, sang at Masses for the Dead, the whole shebang. My husband and I left our home town and moved a number of times because of business. When I would come home to visit my mother, I would go to Mass with her and I felt like I had attended a service in a protestant church. The hand-holding and all the new ways of doing things really turned me off. Now, thru the grace of God, that I have returned to the Church, I attend an NO Mass at the church where I received my First Communion and was confirmed. I love the church, and I have many fond memories of my growing up years in that 150 year old church. Every so often, I drive 30 miles to attend a TLM that is held in our town every other week. We receive HC on the tongue and since their are no altar rails, we receive in the first row of pews, on our knees. Gregorian chant is used during the Mass and I was surprised at how much I remembered and could sing along.
I also miss the traditional hymns, the May crowning of the Blessed Mother and the other ceremonies we had then. I do not put the NO down, that is what I attend most of the time. But,to me, it is not as reverant as the TLM.
To those of you who have said “get over it”, please have a little tolerance and charity to those of us who do not agree with you, just as we do with you.
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brotherhrolf
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Thank you Mary. Lord, I hadn’t even thought about May Crownings. My mother used to plant sweet peas along the fence in our backyard. We had May Crownings every Friday at my Catholic grade school in New Orleans. My mother would weave sweet pea flowers into crowns for us to take to school.
And on Tuesday night, she would attend Novena to Our Lady of Perpetual Help followed by Benediction. What memories! Can you hear “Tantum Ergo” and " O Salutaris Hostia"? Flood of memories!
And on Tuesday night, she would attend Novena to Our Lady of Perpetual Help followed by Benediction. What memories! Can you hear “Tantum Ergo” and " O Salutaris Hostia"? Flood of memories!
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SnorterLuster
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As long as we are going on a nostalgia trip, does anyone remember the Angelus bells. Rung three times a day, we said three Hail Mary’s. I think the Old Cathedral downtown still does it, but I don’t think any other parish in town does.
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brotherhrolf
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Still done here in Baton Rouge. We actually said the Angelus prayer at my school
The angel of the Lord declared unto Mary.
And she conceived by the Holy Ghost.
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Shoshana
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During May, we use to meet with a lot of other churches in the Diocese (and other churches from other Dioceses) and have a procession dedicated to Mary…the whole day almost! It was held at the Race Track in Fiort Erie…the border town with the US/Buffalo and since we came from a French church, we used to say the rosary in french while everybody else recited in english, italian. slovak, etc. etc…such good, holy feelings! I used to look into the sky while I prayed hoping to see Jesus and Mary on the clouds looking down on us! Ah the expectation!!! Ah the reverence even in such a public place!
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brotherhrolf
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Oh Mary we crown thee with blossoms today
Queen of the angels, Queen of the May…
Listen to it here:
amazon.com/Faith-Our-Fathers-Classic-Religious/dp/B000005BWO/sr=1-4/qid=1169413881/ref=sr_1_4/102-8267546-7420144?ie=UTF8&s=music
Soundtrack to my childhood.
Volume II
amazon.com/Faith-Our-Fathers-Vol-2/dp/B000005BWR/sr=1-5/qid=1169414008/ref=sr_1_5/102-8267546-7420144?ie=UTF8&s=music
I have both CDs. When was the last time you heard some of these hymns sung at your local parish. Soundtrack to my childhood. Whoah!
With the exception of the Gaelic hymns most of these should be familiar to most of us.
Queen of the angels, Queen of the May…
Listen to it here:
amazon.com/Faith-Our-Fathers-Classic-Religious/dp/B000005BWO/sr=1-4/qid=1169413881/ref=sr_1_4/102-8267546-7420144?ie=UTF8&s=music
Soundtrack to my childhood.
Volume II
amazon.com/Faith-Our-Fathers-Vol-2/dp/B000005BWR/sr=1-5/qid=1169414008/ref=sr_1_5/102-8267546-7420144?ie=UTF8&s=music
I have both CDs. When was the last time you heard some of these hymns sung at your local parish. Soundtrack to my childhood. Whoah!
With the exception of the Gaelic hymns most of these should be familiar to most of us.
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Lucania
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I’m a Boomer too at age 51 1/2 but I am a convert to the Catholic faith. I have Faith of Our Fathers c.d and I love it! Here are the songs that I know that are played at my church. Holy God We Praise Thy Name, Faith of Our Fathers, Praise To The Lord The Almighty The King of Creation (a personal favorite) & Panis Angelicus(another fav). I know that I am blessed to have the only Indult in my Dioceses at my beautiful church, but I haven’t made it to that Mass yet. I will soon. The way you describe it is awesome.
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mary_bobo
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I can hear them and I bet I could sing them with a little accompaniment. Our Lady of Perpetual Help is a favorite of mine. I also remember First Fridays when all the students went to Mass and we had bacon, scrambled eggs and cinnamon rolls afterward. Oh, sweet childhood.
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SnorterLuster
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Wow, all we got were two day old doughnuts and a carton of milk. Mother used to pack me an egg sandwich so I could have something a little more substantial.
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Indyann
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Okay, I am really going to date myself here, but does anybody remember the neighborhood rosaries? I was quite young, but I do remember going to my Grandma’s next door neighbor’s to recite the Rosary. Oh, and they had a TV set too! My Grandma didn’t even have an indoor toilet at that time.
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chicago
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Hmmm… at my NO parish we sang the traditional hymns pretty regularly into the mid-late 80s (still do sometimes), had adoration occasionally, rang the bells for consecration, even held (and still do) May Crownings. We really aren’t that “old Church” when push comes to shove. (We even simultaneously held a contemporary music Mass and all in the old lower Church). But in light of what everyone else is decrying, I guess it’s no surprize that some people in the diocese always thought we were terribly stuck in “pre-Vatician II” times.
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brotherhrolf
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Of the 14 houses on my block in suburban New Orleans back in the late 50s, nine were Catholics. All of us kids went to our local parish school so everything was oriented towards the church. On the other hand, four of those original neighbors from 1955 are still alive and yes, my brother and sister and I check on them. One of the first TV stations in New Orleans to go on the air was WWL - a Jesuit station. We watched Bishop Sheen.
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brotherhrolf
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We threw the baby out with the bathwater in my parish in New Orleans in the late 60s. I now live in Baton Rouge and am a member of our cathedral parish. We seldom sing any of the hymns on either of the CDs but I can guarantee you that when we do the congregation belts them out.
I sang in the choir for 18 years. When we reinstalled the choir loft and installed the new organ, we had a grand concert with the cathedral organist from Lyons, France (my parish’s mother church) in attendance. DW and I were in charge of the children’s choir at the time and the end of the concert was to be Immaculate Mary sung by the kids. NOT. The entire, packed to the gills, congregation jumped to their feet and sang like I have never heard before or after.
All you music directors out there…experiement. Bring back some of the old hymns and see if people sing. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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mary_bobo
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What a lovely thing to remember. Catholics were a rarity back when I grew up and there were only two churches. Now there are six.
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Gearoidin
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The Angelus bells are still rung on national TV in Ireland (6pm). The news is immediately afterwards at 6.01pm. The cathedral in my mother’s parish (Cobh, Co. Cork) still ring the Angelus bells at noon and 6pm every day.
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Gearoidin
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I was born in 1970 so never knew the TLM but all these hymns were common in the 70s and 80s in Ireland. In fact these are all still frequently heard in Ireland. When I was there in September 06, they sang “Holy God we praise thy name”, and at Communion, “Cead Mile Failte Romhat”. We recently had “The Bells of the Angelus” in my parish here in Japan. It was strange to hear it in Japanese but everyone knew the chorus, no matter what country they were from.
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Cristiano
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To me there is a big difference in longing for a reverent Mass instead of saying that the TLM is the only way to have a reverent Mass. There is also a big difference in wanting to have a Mass in Latin instead of saying that the TLM is the answer to the creative wording in a vernacular Mass. Maybe I can say that because I have the privilege of assisting to very reverent (smells and bells) NO masses in vernacular and Latin. I am quite partial to Latin for a non liturgical reason. It reminds me of when I was a kid. I was a happy kid, life was easy and good to me.
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MaryD7
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I find this all so fascinating. I converted to RC some years ago and all I know is the NO. When I would read some threads I was somewhat surprised to hear what was going on at some churches (such as liturgical dancers) as I had never experienced any of these innovations.
Now I’m reading this thread and finding out that our parish may be pretty traditional. We do have May Crownings. The children go to Mass on first fridays. There is the ringing of bells upon consecration at almost all the masses. We have adoration. The Cardinal of our Diocese issued a statement about not holding up our hands during the Our Father. Even if I’m not familiar with many other churches in our Diocese I have a feeling that my experience isn’t an isolated one. And this is in Queens, NY which you would think would be pretty liberal.
Now I’m reading this thread and finding out that our parish may be pretty traditional. We do have May Crownings. The children go to Mass on first fridays. There is the ringing of bells upon consecration at almost all the masses. We have adoration. The Cardinal of our Diocese issued a statement about not holding up our hands during the Our Father. Even if I’m not familiar with many other churches in our Diocese I have a feeling that my experience isn’t an isolated one. And this is in Queens, NY which you would think would be pretty liberal.
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