Baby out of wedlock and employed at catholic school

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I’m wondering if it is illegal to be terminated by your employer because of conceiving a child out of wedlock?
I was involved in a relationship where one party is of catholic faith and employed as a teacher at a catholic school, we had sexual relations and a child was conceived. When I was 17weeks pregnant he broke up with me because his job was threatened. I’m wondering if this is illegal? How can one loose a job for accidentally creating life!? The principal actually advised him to I quote “not be seen in public with me” when I emailed her to question it was ignored and I was directed to speak to the father or school super intendant. Advise?
 
Having sex out of wedlock is a sin and a Catholic employer has the right to fire any employee who creates a public scandal. It’s probably in the terms of the contract that he signed when he was hired. But that is not the problem. The main problem is that he won’t marry you. If he married you it wouldn’t be a problem.
 
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I’m wondering if it is illegal to be terminated by your employer because of conceiving a child out of wedlock?
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If you are in the United States, employers who are religious institutions can require their teachers follow a moral code. Part of their 1st Amendment rights.
 
Did he say why marriage was not an option and why he chose to do that
 
If this is legal where you live it is appalling. It is worse if it is acceptable to your local Catholic Church or school. Catholics are meant to welcome every new life, however it came to be and provide and encourage all the love and support needed for success and happiness.
 
Depends what country are you in? Certainly in the UK this would no be legal. US generally offers less protections to workers though.
 
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When I was 17weeks pregnant he broke up with me because his job was threatened. I’m wondering if this is illegal? How can one loose a job for accidentally creating life!?
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I’m a little confused, whether he can loose his job or not isn’t addressed by him breaking up with you. If he can loose his job for conceiving outside of marriage breaking -up doesn’t take him back in time to undo the event.

In either case if his job has a morality clause (writing this from a USA perspective) then yes, he could be terminated. Assuming the morality clauses only cover actions from the time of employment moving forward he might have done okay just quietly looking for a new job.
 
If he signed a contract pledging to abide by Catholic moral teaching and he risks termination if this is not done publically, then legally breaking the clause means he would be eligible to be terminated.
 
because, if he is catholic, then there are moral laws he needs to be following. and he needs to be setting a good example for the kids he is teaching.

it’s not he only situation either, he could have been fired if he was caught having an affair, embezzling money, in possession of pornography, and a whole host of other things.

I am truly sorry that he did this to you and not taking responsibility for his actions. Though it’s probabluy a sign that he is not the right person to marry anyways
 
He’s already failed to abide by the teaching though, and I hope he’s planning on taking responsibility for the child so not sure how scandal is preventable here.
 
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Just wondering, if you were having sex outside of marriage, is there some reason why the guy wasn’t using a condom?

Next time if you fall to the sin of fornication, I strongly suggest you make the man wear a condom so as to mitigate risks of STDs and unwanted pregnancy.
 
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Are you advocating adding additional sin on top of the first sin? Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Better advice: Save sex for marriage. The results - no sin, no STD’s, no pregnancy outside of wedlock.
 
Oh give me a break.

If you’re already commiting the grave sin of sex outside of marriage, it doesn’t matter one iota whether you are doing it with a condom or not, morally speaking. But speaking healthwise, it matters quite a bit.

If I go and commit adultery on my wife and happen to use a condom, I’m not going to say “I committed adultery on my wife once, and used contraception once,” that’s totally nonsensical. I’m going to confess “I committed adultery on my wife one time.”

If you are having sex outside of marriage, morally speaking it makes no difference whatsoever if you do it with or with out a rubber.

In fact, I would argue that not using a rubber would actually constitute a sin in and itself in certain circumstances.

If you meet a person in a bar and go have sex with them while your wife is home, and you end up catching an STD because you didn’t use a condom, then you pass it on to your wife - guesz what? You have committed the sin of gross negligence on top of adultery.

Yes, I am fully 100% advocating the use of condoms in the context of fornication. Sex outside of marriage is no more or less sinful whether you wear a condom or not.
 
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Sins are not only things that kill us, they are that which is offensive to God. We should avoid sin as much as possible, and not add additional sins.
I think it would be right to confess using a condom, being that it is sinful.
Coitus interruptus is inherently disordered, pretty sure
 
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I’m not going to derail the thread by getting into a debate about whether using a condom during fornication is a sin. I just don’t think you should be saying things like “If you fornicate again, use a condom.” Better advice: don’t commit the sin of fornication again; go and sin no more.
 
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Coitus interruptus is inherently disordered, pretty sure
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I agree.

But I’m not convinced that contraception in the context of fornication constitutes an additional sin on top of the fornication.

Think of the reason why condoms are held to be sinful to begin with: they negate the procreative aspect of sex. But sex is illicit outside of marriage to begin with, so it doesn’t matter whether the procreative aspect is there or not - it’s just as sinful either way.

And even if it did technically constitute another sin, I think in the context of fornication, it would be wise to use a condom to mitigate risks of STD’s or unwanted pregnancy.

Another thing to think of: what if the unwanted pregnancy ends up with an abortion? Is it not rather preferable for the guilty party in fornication to use a condom, as opposed to them procuring an abortion after the unwanted pregnancy?
 
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I’m not going to derail the thread by getting into a debate about whether using a condom during fornication is a sin. I just don’t think you should be saying things like “If you fornicate again, use a condom.” Better advice: don’t commit the sin of fornication again; go and sin no more
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I do understand there’s a conflict of then having sex that isn’t open to new life. But I also feel it’s a bit like telling someone not to jump out of a plane, but if they do make sure they have a backup parachute. Having a backup doesn’t ensure they won’t be hurt or killed, but it might lead to a situation that one can more easily cope with than not having one.
 
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I’m not going to derail the thread by getting into a debate about whether using a condom during fornication is a sin. I just don’t think you should be saying things like “If you fornicate again, use a condom.” Better advice: don’t commit the sin of fornication again; go and sin no more.
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Yeah the problem is that this kind of attitude actually leads to more unwanted pregnancies: Religiosity and teen birth rate in the United States | Reproductive Health | Full Text

Just because you make one mistake, it doesn’t follow you should make more.
 
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