Background checks in Boston Archdiocese!

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Scout:
Well, I can agree with you that homosexuality is a sin that one has to fight against. However, to suggest that someone who is a homosexual should be put in the same group as a pedophile is simply wrong. Pedophilia is a disorder all on its’ own. I think it’s wrong for us to run around and make the assumption that because someone is gay then that automatically makes them a candidate for pedophilia. That is wrong.

The truth is that pedophilia doesn’t have anything to be with being gay. Just because someone is gay doesn’t make them some sort of deviant or sexual predator. Being attracted to the same sex doesn’t make you a deviant. Being attracted to children does. That’s the difference. Homosexuals aren’t attracted to children. Pedophiles are.

I find your arguement extremely disturbing.

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I find your circumloucution extremely disturbing - an adult male who has sex with a little boy is committing HOMOSEXUAL rape, and an adult man who has sex with a little girl is committing HETEROSEXUAL rape.

Again, in my opinion, pedophilia falls under the aegis of homosexuality; pedophile and pedorast are both horns on the same homosexual devil! By all means pedophile and homosexual are not two separate entities: a full grown adult male heterosexual is not going to have sex with a little boy for any reason, and its unrealistic to say so.

Homosexuals are, fundamentally, irrational! It is quite imperative to keep all homosexuals out of the priesthood - there should be ‘zero’ homosexual seminarian applicants.
 
I can agree with your conclusion, even if I disagree with the premise that it is built on. Allowing men who struggle with the vice of homosexual attraction to be priests is akin to inviting recovering alcoholics to be bartenders. The main issue I have is that homosexuality is any worse of an evil than anything else that offends God, such as fornication, adultery, murder, stealing, bearing false witness, or worst of the worst, blasphamy.
Kevin Walker:
I find your circumloucution extremely disturbing - an adult male who has sex with a little boy is committing HOMOSEXUAL rape, and an adult man who has sex with a little girl is committing HETEROSEXUAL rape.

Again, in my opinion, pedophilia falls under the aegis of homosexuality; pedophile and pedorast are both horns on the same homosexual devil! By all means pedophile and homosexual are not two separate entities: a full grown adult male heterosexual is not going to have sex with a little boy for any reason, and its unrealistic to say so.

Homosexuals are, fundamentally, irrational! It is quite imperative to keep all homosexuals out of the priesthood - there should be ‘zero’ homosexual seminarian applicants.
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Kevin Walker:
I find your circumloucution extremely disturbing - an adult male who has sex with a little boy is committing HOMOSEXUAL rape, and an adult man who has sex with a little girl is committing HETEROSEXUAL rape.

Again, in my opinion, pedophilia falls under the aegis of homosexuality; pedophile and pedorast are both horns on the same homosexual devil! By all means pedophile and homosexual are not two separate entities: a full grown adult male heterosexual is not going to have sex with a little boy for any reason, and its unrealistic to say so.

Homosexuals are, fundamentally, irrational! It is quite imperative to keep all homosexuals out of the priesthood - there should be ‘zero’ homosexual seminarian applicants.
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Well, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it, even if it is wrong.

You cannot say that all homosexuals are irrational. You can’t say that all heterosexuals are rational. It’s a blanket statement and it doesn’t apply to everyone. The truth is that Some heterosexuals are pedophiles, just as Some gays are pedophiles. One doesn’t make you the other.

I’m extremely saddened and disgusted that there are people in this world that lump the two together. I find your whole arguement repugnant and repulsive.

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Psychological tests are far from accurate, and the results vary day to day, over months and years.
 
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mjdonnelly:
Psychological tests are far from accurate, and the results vary day to day, over months and years.
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Nothing is accurate, not even the American Judicial System which is why Massachusetts has the second highest rate of wrongful incarceration in the nation.

But you got to admit, Psychological screening is a lot better than criminal background checks for discouraging homosexual infiltration back into the Priesthood.
 
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mjdonnelly:
Psychological tests are far from accurate, and the results vary day to day, over months and years.
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I know that. But they will serve a purpose. If Kevin and I agree, you know its a good idea. tests, test, tests, we need them now.
 
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Scout:
Well, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it, even if it is wrong.

You cannot say that all homosexuals are irrational. You can’t say that all heterosexuals are rational. It’s a blanket statement and it doesn’t apply to everyone. The truth is that Some heterosexuals are pedophiles, just as Some gays are pedophiles. One doesn’t make you the other.

I’m extremely saddened and disgusted that there are people in this world that lump the two together. I find your whole arguement repugnant and repulsive.

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Well, your proposition is equally repulsive and repugnant when it is your position that would potentially allow a sexual predator Priest access to a child.
 
Kevin Walker:
Well, your proposition is equally repulsive and repugnant when it is your position that would potentially allow a sexual predator Priest access to a child.
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I’m not saying we should allow potential sexual predators to access our children. What I’m saying is

HOMOSEXUALS AND PEDOPHILES AREN’T THE SAME!
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Scout:
I’m not saying we should allow potential sexual predators to access our children. What I’m saying is

HOMOSEXUALS AND PEDOPHILES AREN’T THE SAME!
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Scout, could you agree that among the population of pedophiles, homosexuals are disproportionately represented?
 
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StJeanneDArc:
Scout, could you agree that among the population of pedophiles, homosexuals are disproportionately represented?
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I’m not sure what you mean. What I’m saying is that you can’t say that all homosexuals are sexual predators, or pedophiles. Do some pedophiles consider themselves gay? Yes. But most of them don’t. Pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality. Pedophilia is an act of violence representing itself through sex.

Homosexuals are attracted to the same adult sex, not children. Pedophilia is another situation all together. Do I believe that pedophiles have a disorder? Yes. Do I believe that all homosexuals are, in and of themselves, mentally and emotionally unstable and are perpetual pedophiles? NO.
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Scout:
I’m not sure what you mean. What I’m saying is that you can’t say that all homosexuals are sexual predators, or pedophiles. Do some pedophiles consider themselves gay? Yes. But most of them don’t. Pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality. Pedophilia is an act of violence representing itself through sex.
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What I mean is that pedophiles are disproportionately homosexual, and vastly so. It doesn’t mean that all homosexuals are pedophiles, or that all pedopiles are homosexual. It does mean that homosexuals are vastly more likely to be pedophiles than hetoersexuals.
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Scout:
Homosexuals are attracted to the same adult sex, not children. Pedophilia is another situation all together. Do I believe that pedophiles have a disorder? Yes. Do I believe that all homosexuals are, in and of themselves, mentally and emotionally unstable and are perpetual pedophiles? NO.
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Over one-fourth of the abuse cases in the Church scandal in the US had victims that were 14-17 years of age. Is that pedophilia? No. Another 40-something percent of the victims were 11-14 years of age. Is that pedophilia? Maybe or maybe not, depending on the development of the child in question.

Look, common sense tells us that a 25-year-old man having sex with a 16-year-old girl is not pedophilia, it’s statutory rape. And there’s a reason it’s called statutory rape: because the sexual act wasn’t forced. Now, would you call an analogous situation between a 25-year-old man and a 16-year-old boy pedophilia? No, because presumably the 16-year-old boy is past puberty and has adult sexual characteristics. What you would call it is a homosexual act.

Why is this so hard to understand?
 
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SweetPea:
It’s about time and every parish should do it.
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Maybe we should run a background check and do a psychological profile on every RCIA candidate to make sure that all new people who are coming into the church are righteous enough to be considered Catholic.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Maybe we should run a background check and do a psychological profile on every RCIA candidate to make sure that all new people who are coming into the church are righteous enough to be considered Catholic.
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Only if they plan on being a seminarian.
 
No they aren’t…but they are both sick and twisted abominations.
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Scout:
I’m not saying we should allow potential sexual predators to access our children. What I’m saying is

HOMOSEXUALS AND PEDOPHILES AREN’T THE SAME!
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Scott_Lafrance:
Maybe we should run a background check and do a psychological profile on every RCIA candidate to make sure that all new people who are coming into the church are righteous enough to be considered Catholic.
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I know you have a reputation to uphold as a curmudgeon, so I’m going to assume that you meant that in a curmudgeonally manner. But seriously, some jobs are more important than others–and a priest is one of the most important jobs of all. Wouldn’t you agree that an airline pilot should get a background check? Good, I thought you would agree with me. Well the priests are the airline pilots of our souls, much more important than our bodies.
 
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Scout:
I’m not saying we should allow potential sexual predators to access our children. What I’m saying is

HOMOSEXUALS AND PEDOPHILES AREN’T THE SAME!
Scout :tiphat:
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OH YES THEY ARE!
 
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StJeanneDArc:
Look, common sense tells us that a 25-year-old man having sex with a 16-year-old girl is not pedophilia, it’s statutory rape. And there’s a reason it’s called statutory rape: because the sexual act wasn’t forced. Now, would you call an analogous situation between a 25-year-old man and a 16-year-old boy pedophilia? No, because presumably the 16-year-old boy is past puberty and has adult sexual characteristics. What you would call it is a homosexual act.

Why is this so hard to understand?
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Indeed, why is hard to grasp? Active homosexuality is not consistent with emotional stability. Whether they are acting out of kids or adults.
 
Kevin Walker said:
OH YES THEY ARE!
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Well, Kevin, I’m sure in your self-righteous, homophobic mind they are the same. But here in the real world intelligent people can see the difference.

Scout
 
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