Baha'i :"But who do you say that I am?"

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So how do you know Jesus was not actually Satan, the ultimate sorcerer?

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Would Satan tell everyone that the Greatest Commandment was to love God? :nope:

And that the Second was to love our neighbors as ourselves? :nope:

If so, Satan just made his own job a LOT harder. As I posted before, if Satan casts out Satan, His kingdom is divided.

However, it would be the goal of Satan to divert as many people AWAY from Jesus as possible, and that is why false prophets and false religions spring up…to pick off a few unsuspecting people here and there with fine-sounding words.

Now, it is VERY late on the East Coast of the US, and you have asked several questions in several thread (without really answering mine, btw), and they will take some time to answer well.

That will have to wait until later this morning EST.
 
Would Satan tell everyone that the Greatest Commandment was to love God? :nope:

And that the Second was to love our neighbors as ourselves? :nope:

If so, Satan just made his own job a LOT harder. As I posted before, if Satan casts out Satan, His kingdom is divided.

However, it would be the goal of Satan to divert as many people AWAY from Jesus as possible, and that is why false prophets and false religions spring up…to pick off a few unsuspecting people here and there with fine-sounding words.

Now, it is VERY late on the East Coast of the US, and you have asked several questions in several thread (without really answering mine, btw), and they will take some time to answer well.

That will have to wait until later this morning EST.
Go sleep Randy 🙂

We will chat again tomorrow

God bless 🙂

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Would Satan tell everyone that the Greatest Commandment was to love God? :nope:

And that the Second was to love our neighbors as ourselves? :nope:

If so, Satan just made his own job a LOT harder. As I posted before, if Satan casts out Satan, His kingdom is divided.
So you are saying that one can discern whether a witnessed miracle is from God or not by the nature of the teaching given by that Person correct?

Please show me one teaching of Baha’u’llah that is not based on love.

Thankyou 🙂

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(without really answering mine, btw)
I’m sorry Randy. I am trying to answer them as fully as possible, but it seems whenever I answer a question using a series of logical and rational steps, you tell me that I have not answered your questions.

If it is a comprehension issue, then ask further probing questions so that we can all be on the same page. Otherwise we just talk past each other…

God bless 🙂

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I’m aware that for many Dante’s Inferno may still hold some attraction…

I was on a Christian forum a few years ago and took a poll… How many believed in Satan… In turned out a majority believed in Satan. My view is that a belief in Satan goes along with a belief in the supernatural that many people have… Satan and devils can take possession of people and this was an explanation for many ancient people that such conditions as epilepsy and maybe schizophrenia and such were caused by supernatural entities…

Believing in a dark power is a convenient was to mischaracterise your enemies as well… Recall Mark 3:22 where the Pharisees alleged Jesus was possessed?

But the teachers of religious law who had arrived from Jerusalem said, "He’s possessed by Satan, the prince of demons. That’s where he gets the power to cast out demons."

The other issue that comes up is that some describe themselves as Satanists and adopt for themselves various rituals and symbols of what they believe are various powers.

In the Baha’i Faith there is no such acceptance of these malevolent and dark powers… I recall researching that the struggle between good and evil that is embraced by many may have it’s origin in Manichaeism which was very strong at the time of Saint Augustine.

But anyway so there is no misunderstanding about this as far as the Baha’i Faith is concerned I add a few citations from the Writings:

The attributes of God are love and mercy; the attribute of Satan is hate. Therefore, he who is merciful and kind to his fellowmen is manifesting the divine attribute, and **he who is hating and hostile toward a fellow creature is satanic. **God is absolute love, even as Jesus Christ has declared, and Satan is utter hatred. Wherever love is witnessed, know that there is a manifestation of God’s mercy; whenever you meet hatred and enmity, know that these are the evidences and attributes of Satan. The Prophets have appeared in this world with the mission that human souls may become the expressions of the Merciful, that they may be educated and developed, attain to love and amity and establish peace and agreement.
When the light of Bahá’u’lláh dawned from the East, He proclaimed the promise of the oneness of humanity. He addressed all mankind, saying, “Ye are all the fruits of one tree. There are not two trees: one a tree of divine mercy, the other the tree of Satan.” Again He said, “Ye are all the fruits of one tree, the leaves of one branch.” This was His announcement; this was His promise of the oneness of the world of humanity. Anathema and execration were utterly abrogated. He said, “It is not becoming in man to curse another; it is not befitting that man should attribute darkness to another; it is not meet that one human being should consider another human being as bad; nay, rather, all mankind are the servants of one God; God is the Father of all; there is not a single exception to that law.** There are no people of Satan; all belong to the Merciful. There is no darkness; all is light. All are the servants of God, and man must love humanity from his heart. He must, verily, behold humanity as submerged in the divine mercy.”**

~ Abdul-Baha Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 286

In the Baha’i view there is no such thing as an ontological being such as Satan or the devil opposed to God.
Abdul-Baha was just a mere mortal his words carry no weight.
 
Abdul-Baha was just a mere mortal his words carry no weight.
Yes they do.

Abdu’l-Baha was appointed the sole Authoritative Interpreter of Baha’u’llah’s Revelation and the Centre of His Covenant. This was done in writing, with Baha’u’llah’s seal on the document.

This is the sole reason why the Baha’i Faith is a united global community and will remain so into the future.

🙂

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Yes they do.

Abdu’l-Baha was appointed the sole Authoritative Interpreter of Baha’u’llah’s Revelation and the Centre of His Covenant. This was done in writing, with Baha’u’llah’s seal on the document.

This is the sole reason why the Baha’i Faith is a united global community and will remain so into the future.

🙂

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If his Interpretations of Baha’u’llah’s writing are anything like his Interpretation of the Trinity… I wouldn’t trust him as far as could throw him.:o
 
Abdu’l-Baha was appointed the sole Authoritative Interpreter of Baha’u’llah’s Revelation and the Centre of His Covenant. This was done in writing, with Baha’u’llah’s seal on the document.
Said who, himself? He doesn’t believe you can know God, he doesn’t believe in anything which can’t be scientifically proven, doesn’t believe in angels.

Einstein fit this requirement for prophet better than these fellows.
 
Said who, himself? He doesn’t believe you can know God, he doesn’t believe in anything which can’t be scientifically proven, doesn’t believe in angels.

Einstein fit this requirement for prophet better than these fellows.
He does state the existence of angles (please get your facts right before finger pointing Gary 🙂 )

He does state that we can know God, just cannot comprehend His Essence (please get your facts right before finger pointing Gary 🙂 )

If your imaginations of what the Baha’i Faith is, is getting the better of you, then we can easily stop this dialogue 🙂

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He does state the existence of angles (please get your facts right before finger pointing Gary 🙂 )

He does state that we can know God, just cannot comprehend His Essence (please get your facts right before finger pointing Gary 🙂 )

If your imaginations of what the Baha’i Faith is, is getting the better of you, then we can easily stop this dialogue 🙂

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I have my facts straight, perhaps thats what you should do from a Christian perspective. If your imagination of Christianity is getting the better of you, then the same applies. You created your own double standard.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbahai-invitation.com%2FChristian%2F1angels.html&ei=wgmIVNrkOIymNt_9gqgB&usg=AFQjCNHbAeFDk5H0qC3iOl0JSJS866jQIg

Wheres the teaching on supernatural and angels? I linked the belief “none”
He does state the existence of angles
Angels? Where?
 
I have my facts straight, perhaps thats what you should do from a Christian perspective. If your imagination of Christianity is getting the better of you, then the same applies. You created your own double standard.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbahai-invitation.com%2FChristian%2F1angels.html&ei=wgmIVNrkOIymNt_9gqgB&usg=AFQjCNHbAeFDk5H0qC3iOl0JSJS866jQIg

Wheres the teaching on supernatural and angels? I linked the belief “none”
From your own link Gary:

The earth hath been shaken, and the mountains have passed away, and the angels have appeared, rank on rank, before Us

Does Baha’u’llah say that things that do not exist have appeared before Him, rank on rank?

Your words were:
…doesn’t believe in angels.
🙂

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He speaks of men becoming Angels. 🙂
if he is educated he becomes an angel.
And if he’s good depending where he lives and the behavioral norms. If hes live in Africa cannibalism might be socially “good”.
 
He speaks of men becoming Angels. 🙂

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From Catholic online website:

Although the word “angel” in the Bible, meaning a messenger, nearly always applies to heavenly beings, it can occasionally apply to human messengers…

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From Catholic online website:

Although the word “angel” in the Bible, meaning a messenger, nearly always applies to heavenly beings, it can occasionally apply to human messengers…

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But you don’t believe in heavenly angels, according to your own web sights as I posted. That presents issues for you, not for Catholics. You believe men can become angels, then what? Where do they go and what do they do? Do they still have free-will?

Evil is merely bad behavior, good behavior is men becoming to “earthly angels” not literal but symbolic, as you do not believe in heavenly angels?

So what happens to the departed souls in Gods Kingdom, obviously they do not become angels?
 
But you don’t believe in heavenly angels, according to your own web sights as I posted. That presents issues for you, not for Catholics. You believe men can become angels, then what? Where do they go and what do they do? Do they still have free-will?
Can you show me where it says that Bahais do not believe in heavenly Angels please?

Please provide the FULL QUOTE and a link to where you saw it.
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Can you show me where it says that Bahais do not believe in heavenly Angels please?

Please provide the FULL QUOTE and a link to where you saw it.
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I linked it, apparently you didn’t think it worthy to bother reading the religions in comparison.

So what are you saying about the angels? Where is this teaching which states men can become angels. And Angels exit in heaven?
whereas if he is educated he becomes an angel.
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