Baha'i :"But who do you say that I am?"

[Nick44]

Beautiful, I just want to see the teaching on Jesus Christs birth? Is that possible?

Sure. The Baha’i Writings contain many referrences to Jesus Christ, and you are aware that belief in Christ is a prerequisite to belief in Baha’u’llah. We view Their spiritual stations as identical and not in conflict.

“You must follow the example and footsteps of Jesus Christ. Read the Gospels. Jesus Christ was mercy itself, was love itself…We must follow His example.”
-Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 42

"As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended. The Founder of Christianity is designated by Baha’u’llah as the “Spirit of God,” is proclaimed as the One Who “appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,” and is even extolled as the “Essence of the Spirit.” His mother is described as “that veiled and immortal, that beauteous, countenance,” and the station of her Son eulogized as a “station which hath been exalted above the imaginings of all who that dwell on earth,” whilst Peter is recognized as one whom God has caused “the mysteries of wisdom and utterance to flow out of his mouth.”
-Shoghi Effendi, The Promised Day is Come, pp. 109-110

 

[Techno2000]

since the spirit who inspired Bahaullah caused him to write or dictate tens of thousands of pages, it would seem that the teachings of this spirit are not meant for the illiterate.

You’re right about that, these writing are so convoluted and abstract that it would confuse Albert Einstein.

 

[Techno2000]

Bahá’í[edit]
Main articles: Bahá’í literature and Progressive revelation (Bahá’í)

‘Revelation writing’: The first draft of a tablet of Bahá’u’lláh
The Báb, Bahá’u’lláh and `Abdu’l-Bahá received thousands of written enquiries, and wrote thousands of responses, hundreds of which amount to whole and proper books, while many are shorter texts, such as letters. In addition, the Bahá’í faith has large works which were divinely revealed in a very short time, as in a night, or a few days.[11] Additionally, because many of the works were first recorded by an amanuensis,[12] most were submitted for approval and correction and the final text was personally approved by the revelator.
Bahá’u’lláh would occasionally write the words of revelation down himself, but normally the revelation was dictated to his amanuensis, who sometimes recorded it in what has been called revelation writing, a shorthand script written with extreme speed owing to the rapidity of the utterance of the words. Afterwards, Bahá’u’lláh revised and approved these drafts. These revelation drafts and many other transcriptions of Bahá’u’lláh’s writings, around 15,000 items, some of which are in his own handwriting, are kept in the International Bahá’í Archives in Haifa, Israel.[13][14][15]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation

 

[Techno2000]

Baha’is believe that the source of Revelation is God, and that His Will is revealed to us through His Manifestaion for this Day, Baha’u’llah.

What God was that, surely not the God of the Holy Bible, these inner locution came from Spirit , I can see that, but it wasn’t the Holy Spirit.

 

[Nick44]

What God was that, surely not the God of the Holy Bible, these inner locution came from Spirit , I can see that, but it wasn’t the Holy Spirit.

Baha’is believe that there is only one God.

“O contending peoples and kindreds of the earth! Set your faces towards unity, and let the radiance of its light shine upon you. Gather ye together, and for the sake of God resolve to root out whatever is the source of contention amongst you… There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose.” --Baha’u’llah, Gleanings, p 217

 

[GaryTaylor]

Sure. The Baha’i Writings contain many referrences to Jesus Christ, and you are aware that belief in Christ is a prerequisite to belief in Baha’u’llah. We view Their spiritual stations as identical and not in conflict.

“You must follow the example and footsteps of Jesus Christ. Read the Gospels. Jesus Christ was mercy itself, was love itself…We must follow His example.”
-Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 42

"As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended. The Founder of Christianity is designated by Baha’u’llah as the “Spirit of God,” is proclaimed as the One Who “appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,” and is even extolled as the “Essence of the Spirit.” His mother is described as “that veiled and immortal, that beauteous, countenance,” and the station of her Son eulogized as a “station which hath been exalted above the imaginings of all who that dwell on earth,” whilst Peter is recognized as one whom God has caused “the mysteries of wisdom and utterance to flow out of his mouth.”
-Shoghi Effendi, The Promised Day is Come, pp. 109-110

Let me make sure I understand this. So Christ is conceived of the Holy Spirit, but is not God in your understanding, Mary is immortal, and that would be while on earth? And as to their human nature what does that make them both? Immortal humans on earth. Or am I reading this wrong? So Mary had no husband. So who’s child is Jesus in you understanding since it appears He has no human father. The Holy Spirit which you understand as God?

 

[arthra]

This rather new Deity seems to imitate Christian and Jewish writing about God. A rather poor imitation I must say. He is abstract at best and** adds nothing new to our lives**. A sort of figment of ones over active ideological imagination. I too can begin my own cult by saying something wild and outrageous. This sort of reminds me of the flying spaghetti monster cult.
This is a man made cult so I’m surprise there is so many followers as you state (which I have trouble believing it is so).

Thanks for your post…

For your information… What we Baha’is call the “Writings” were first revealed in Arabic and Farsi under varying conditions…such as in oppressive circumstances… The religious authorities would confiscate them and have those who possessed them executed… Some would hide them in their walls. Fortunately today we have preserved a good portions of the Writings.

As the Faith spread to the West it was translated into English by designated Interpreter Shoghi Effendi. Shoghi Effendi was a student at Oxford and chose the style of the Writings in English that was close to the style of the Persian revealed by Baha’u’llah… so this has been a standard for translations into English up to the present.

Since Baha’is accept the Bible as inspired as well as the Quran you will find references to them in the Writings.

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[GaryTaylor]

Baha’is believe that there is only one God.

How many immortals on earth would you estimate came along, and, are there any today? And these immortals are all worthy of worship in the same manner as God?

 

[Techno2000]

Baha’is believe that there is only one God.

“O contending peoples and kindreds of the earth! Set your faces towards unity, and let the radiance of its light shine upon you. Gather ye together, and for the sake of God resolve to root out whatever is the source of contention amongst you… There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose.” --Baha’u’llah, Gleanings, p 217

We are not fooled by these inner locution, it took months for Servant19 finally say that Baha’u’llah got these messages from the spirit world.

 

[Nick44]

We are not fooled by these inner locution, it took months for Servant19 finally say that Baha’u’llah got these messages from the spirit world.

Gosh, Techno, I can’t imagine any Baha’i wanting to try and ‘fool’ you or anyone else. The Baha’i Faith is what it is. It’s certainly not hidden in any way. The Writings of the Faith are freely available in books and online. No special status is required to access all of the information, so have at it as you will.

Exactly how a Manifestation receives revelation from God is both mysterious and unknowable. We can only look at what has been revealed and come to our own conclusions as to its worth. Baha’u’llah claims that everything from His person to His words are from God. That I believe, ergo, I’m a Baha’i.

 

[Techno2000]

I would like to know is who in this Baha’i crew,Channeled Spirits…did Bab or Abdu’l-Bahá do also?

 

[Techno2000]

Gosh, Techno, I can’t imagine any Baha’i wanting to try and ‘fool’ you or anyone else. The Baha’i Faith is what it is. It’s certainly not hidden in any way. The Writings of the Faith are freely available in books and online. No special status is required to access all of the information, so have at it as you will.

Exactly how a Manifestation receives revelation from God is both mysterious and unknowable. We can only look at what has been revealed and come to our own conclusions as to its worth. Baha’u’llah claims that everything from His person to His words are from God. That I believe, ergo, I’m a Baha’i.

So your whole Religion is based on Channeling Spirits ?

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Gosh, Techno, I can’t imagine any Baha’i wanting to try and ‘fool’ you or anyone else. The Baha’i Faith is what it is. It’s certainly not hidden in any way. The Writings of the Faith are freely available in books and online. No special status is required to access all of the information, so have at it as you will.

Exactly how a Manifestation receives revelation from God is both mysterious and unknowable. We can only look at what has been revealed and come to our own conclusions as to its worth. Baha’u’llah claims that everything from His person to His words are from God. That I believe, ergo, I’m a Baha’i.

Was Hussain the Lord almighty, that is the Father of Jesus Christ and us all? Servant seems convinced of that, I would like your opinion.

 

[Techno2000]

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

 

[Nick44]

Was Hussain the Lord almighty, that is the Father of Jesus Christ and us all? Servant seems convinced of that, I would like your opinion.

The Writings are clear that Baha’u’llah appeared in the ‘station’ of the Father, as Jesus appeared in the ‘station’ of the Son. It denotes the spiritual relationship with God and each other and is not meant to be taken in a literal way. They are not God in His ‘Essence’, but are both the WORD (an emanation from the unknowable essence) of God on earth sent to give man God’s direction and Will.

 

[Randy_Carson]

If it is a comprehension issue, then ask further probing questions so that we can all be on the same page. Otherwise we just talk past each other…

You are easily befuddled.

Randy has a comprehension issue. Techno is easily befuddled. Servant19 has the answers.

The Baha’i have surpassed us, boys. They are the cognoscenti.

It’s a pity we have not achieved their true enlightenment.

 

[GuyNextDoor]

Randy has a comprehension issue. Techno is easily befuddled. Servant19 has the answers.

The Baha’i have surpassed us, boys. They are the cognoscenti.

It’s a pity we have not achieved their true enlightenment.

And the GuyNextDoor chose to keep quiet all this time because he is too stupid and lackadaisical to understand.

 

[Techno2000]

And the GuyNextDoor chose to keep quiet all this time because he is too stupid and lackadaisical to understand.

Yeah, why didn’t you jump in, you started the ball rolling ?

 

[GuyNextDoor]

Yeah, why didn’t you jump in, you started the ball rolling ?

This Catechumen is much more comfy scrutinizing and learning behind the scenes

 

[Servant19]

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Bahais have seen all this before.

It usually comes after an inability to provide a sufficient response to the explanations provided.

As you were gentlemen

Keep going!

God bless you all.

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