Baha'i :"But who do you say that I am?"

[Techno2000]

Now when once the Eucharist is taken, after a few moments it is simply disintegrated and entirely transformed. Therefore, how can such a thought be conceived? God forbid! certainly it is an absolute fantasy.

bahai-invitation.com/Christian/1breadwine.html

 

[Servant19]

I linked it, apparently you didn’t think it worthy to bother reading the religions in comparison.

So what are you saying about the angels? Where is this teaching which states men can become angels. And Angels exit in heaven?

Can you cut and paste the full quote please?

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[GaryTaylor]

Can you cut and paste the full quote please?

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What full quote as there are hundreds on here. The link is above and posted twice. This…

The same is true with respect to animals: notice that when the animal is trained it becomes domestic, and also that man, if he is left without education, becomes bestial, and, moreover, if left under the rule of nature, becomes lower than an animal, whereas if he is educated he becomes an angel.

`Abdu’l-Baha,

Relatively speaking, this is evil; it is simply the lower state and baser product of nature.

`Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 294-295

Briefly, the intellectual realities, such as all the qualities and admirable perfections of man, are purely good, and exist. Evil is simply their nonexistence. So ignorance is the want of knowledge; error is the want of guidance; forgetfulness is the want of memory; stupidity is the want of good sense. All these things have no real existence.

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No consensus of a paradigm of good and free will needs elaboration in relation to these apparent heavenly angels which men become? Yes?

 

[Servant19]

What full quote as there are hundreds on here. The link is above and posted twice. This…

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No consensus of a paradigm of good and free will needs elaboration in relation to these apparent heavenly angels which men become? Yes?

I don’t see one word here stating that we do not believe in heavenly Angels.

What are you reading here Gary???

I can’t see it…
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[Techno2000]

No consensus of a paradigm of good and free will needs elaboration in relation to these apparent heavenly angels which men become? Yes?

" whereas if he is educated he becomes an angel."

Is that really true

 

[GaryTaylor]

I don’t see one word here stating that we do not believe in heavenly Angels.

What are you reading here Gary???

I can’t see it…
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Here, and I can’t make you see it. Baha’i other spiritual beings “none”.

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[Servant19]

Here, and I can’t make you see it. Baha’i other spiritual beings “none”.

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That link sends me to an error page Gary

Ok I opened the link from your other post above

The information on this page is incorrect. It’s written by some random guy who probably knows little about the Faith.

I gave you official websites Gary

PLEASE Stop going to random sites with no credibility.

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[Techno2000]

That link sends me to an error page Gary

Ok I opened the link from your other post above

The information on this page is incorrect. It’s written by some random guy who probably knows little about the Faith.

I gave you official websites Gary

PLEASE Stop going to random sites with no credibility.

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Just click the link at the top

 

[Servant19]

Just click the link at the top

Yes thank you, I got it

Its not a reliable depiction of Baha’i teachings…

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[WilT]

This rather new Deity seems to imitate Christian and Jewish writing about God. A rather poor imitation I must say. He is abstract at best and** adds nothing new to our lives**. A sort of figment of ones over active ideological imagination. I too can begin my own cult by saying something wild and outrageous. This sort of reminds me of the flying spaghetti monster cult.
This is a man made cult so I’m surprise there is so many followers as you state (which I have trouble believing it is so).

 

[Servant19]

This rather new Deity seems to imitate Christian and Jewish writing about God. A rather poor imitation I must say. He is abstract at best and** adds nothing new to our lives**. A sort of figment of ones over active ideological imagination. I too can begin my own cult by saying something wild and outrageous. This sort of reminds me of the flying spaghetti monster cult.
This is a man made cult so I’m surprise there is so many followers as you state (which I have trouble believing it is so).

Baha’u’llah did not sit around musing about what He could write next.

The majority of His Writings were not actually written by Him at all. Such was the rapidity of His Revelation that He would require up to 8 secretaries all at once to record the Word which was being revealed, often for hours and hours on end.

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[Techno2000]

Baha’u’llah did not sit around musing about what He could write next.

The majority of His Writings were not actually written by Him at all. Such was the rapidity of His Revelation that He would require up to 8 secretaries all at once to record the Word which was being revealed, often for hours and hours on end.

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Yeah,but where these Revelations coming from?

 

[GaryTaylor]

The information on this page is incorrect. It’s written by some random guy who probably knows little about the Faith…

Either way, I already gave it the benefit of the doubt. But there is still no elaboration in understanding humans becoming angels, or angels at all. Or are you saying thats not official?

 

[Techno2000]

Baha’u’llah did not sit around musing about what He could write next.

The majority of His Writings were not actually written by Him at all. Such was the rapidity of His Revelation that He would require up to 8 secretaries all at once to record the Word which was being revealed, often for hours and hours on end.

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Who or what was the source of these Revelation ?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Who or what was the source of these Revelation ?

It reminds me of her revelation…

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In fact there’s not much difference in either from what Im reading here. She died a miserable death in the presence of Catholic priests, uttering she wished she never wrote the damn book.

Schucman believed that an “inner voice”, which she identified as Jesus, guided her writing.

 

[Techno2000]

It reminds me of her revelation…

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In fact there’s not much difference in either from what Im reading here. She died a miserable death in the presence of Catholic priests, uttering she wished she never wrote the damn book.

You are right about that, my mom give me that book years ago at first I thought It was saying a lot, but when I got to the middle of this book…it was really say nothing at all, and this is before I became revert Catholic believer, now I could rip into that book word for word.

 

[Nick44]

Who or what was the source of these Revelation ?

Baha’is believe that the source of Revelation is God, and that His Will is revealed to us through His Manifestaion for this Day, Baha’u’llah.

Bahá’u’lláh states that in this Dispensation the verses of God have been revealed in nine different styles or categories. A well known Bahá’í scholar, Jináb-i-Fádil-i-Mázindarání, after careful study of the Writings, has enumerated these styles as follows:

1. Tablets with the tone of command and authority.
2. Those with the tone of servitude, meekness and supplication.
3. Writings dealing with interpretation of the old Scriptures, religious beliefs and doctrines of the past.
4. Writings in which laws and ordinances have been enjoined for this age and laws of the past abrogated.
5. Mystical Writings.
6. Tablets concerning matters of government and world order, and those addressed to the kings.
7. Tablets dealing with subjects of learning and knowledge, divine philosophy, mysteries of creation, medicine, alchemy, etc.
8. Tablets exhorting men to education, goodly character and divine virtues.
9. Tablets dealing with social teachings.

The Writings of Bahá’u’lláh are extensive in their range and are revealed in various forms and styles, dealing with every aspect of human needs, both physical and spiritual, and opening before one’s eyes great vistas of knowledge and wisdom. Yet His Writings are simple to understand, provided that the heart is pure and sanctified. The understanding of the Revelation of Bahá’u’lláh need not depend upon academic knowledge; the unsophisticated and the illiterate can recognize its divine origin and understand its teachings. --The Revelation of Baha’u’llah, Vol 1, pp 42-43

 

[GaryTaylor]

Baha’is believe that the source of Revelation is God, and that His Will is revealed to us through His Manifestaion for this Day, Baha’u’llah.

Bahá’u’lláh states that in this Dispensation the verses of God have been revealed in nine different styles or categories. A well known Bahá’í scholar, Jináb-i-Fádil-i-Mázindarání, after careful study of the Writings, has enumerated these styles as follows:

1. Tablets with the tone of command and authority.
2. Those with the tone of servitude, meekness and supplication.
3. Writings dealing with interpretation of the old Scriptures, religious beliefs and doctrines of the past.
4. Writings in which laws and ordinances have been enjoined for this age and laws of the past abrogated.
5. Mystical Writings.
6. Tablets concerning matters of government and world order, and those addressed to the kings.
7. Tablets dealing with subjects of learning and knowledge, divine philosophy, mysteries of creation, medicine, alchemy, etc.
8. Tablets exhorting men to education, goodly character and divine virtues.
9. Tablets dealing with social teachings.

The Writings of Bahá’u’lláh are extensive in their range and are revealed in various forms and styles, dealing with every aspect of human needs, both physical and spiritual, and opening before one’s eyes great vistas of knowledge and wisdom. Yet His Writings are simple to understand, provided that the heart is pure and sanctified. The understanding of the Revelation of Bahá’u’lláh need not depend upon academic knowledge; the unsophisticated and the illiterate can recognize its divine origin and understand its teachings. --The Revelation of Baha’u’llah, Vol 1, pp 42-43

Beautiful, I just want to see the teaching on Jesus Christs birth? Is that possible?

 

[eddie_too]

since the spirit who inspired Bahaullah caused him to write or dictate tens of thousands of pages, it would seem that the teachings of this spirit are not meant for the illiterate.

 

[Techno2000]

Baha’u’llah did not sit around musing about what He could write next.

The majority of His Writings were not actually written by Him at all. Such was the rapidity of His Revelation that He would require up to 8 secretaries all at once to record the Word which was being revealed, often for hours and hours on end.

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So the truth has finally come out, Baha’u’llah received “inner locutions” no big deal for us Catholics, because throughout the ages Saints and Catholic Mystic have received the same thing, we call them “Private Revelations”.In the case of Catholic Private Revelations we have the Church to discern whether it goes against Church teaching or not, if it does not then it gets approved by a “Imprimatur” by a Bishop.