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Techno2000
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Ok, your a Catechumen⌠playing it SmartThis Catechumen is much more comfy scrutinizing and learning behind the scenes
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GuyNextDoor
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Dear Servant, I am unsure how you would define âan inability to provide a sufficient response to the explanations providedâ. To my best knowledge we have been explaining exactly what the Holy Catholic Church teaches since months back..
Bahais have seen all this before.
It usually comes after an inability to provide a sufficient response to the explanations provided.
As you were gentlemen
Keep going!
God bless you all.
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I myself have even undertook the task of researching for hours in order to help you understand why Jesus is God. Even when you had doubts and chose to interpret our scriptures your own way, I took an extra mile explaining word for word in the Greek Manuscripts which were written by the original writers before the Bible was translated to English, but even that you wouldnât accept. Not really sure what you can accept then.
Gabriel and I also rendered further assistance in explaining the Trinity as best as we can, but you saw no logic in our explanations. The amount of time spent is immense until I have decided that my time is much better invested with people who truly need the effort I put in.
How is that âan inability to provide a sufficient response to the explanations providedâ?
Would you then mind telling us which book (not pages, passages or verses, I mean book) in the entire Bible would you say that the Holy Catholic Church has held true to its very word and interpretation, that the Bahaâis are willing to accept as truth in the current times?
Can you name 1?
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Randy_Carson
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Sure. After all, itâs been what? 150 years or so?
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GaryTaylor
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The conviction of the Holy Spirit doesnât change free will, its re-direction to the only path of which the gravity must be humbly discerned, and we must decrease in spiritual pride to ascend to know that which, as the Fathers stated in parts that which we donât know. Pride of temptation which as the Cardinal states often comes in the appearance of the bread of life can lead astray and often does. To see is to walk in the blind and trust in conviction by faith that which canât be explained to the point of altering the Lords will, which is free-will and through it salvation. Its two steps forward and one backwards at times.
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Randy_Carson
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Matthew 10:14Dear Servant, I am unsure how you would define âan inability to provide a sufficient response to the explanations providedâ. To my best knowledge we have been explaining exactly what the Holy Catholic Church teaches since months back.
I myself have even undertook the task of researching for hours in order to help you understand why Jesus is God. Even when you had doubts and chose to interpret our scriptures your own way, I took an extra mile explaining word for word in the Greek Manuscripts which were written by the original writers before the Bible was translated to English, but even that you wouldnât accept. Not really sure what you can accept then.
Gabriel and I also rendered further assistance in explaining the Trinity as best as we can, but you saw no logic in our explanations. The amount of time spent is immense until I have decided that my time is much better invested with people who truly need the effort I put in.
How is that âan inability to provide a sufficient response to the explanations providedâ?
Would you then mind telling us which book (not pages, passages or verses, I mean book) in the entire Bible would you say that the Holy Catholic Church has held true to its very word and interpretation, that the Bahaâis are willing to accept as truth in the current times?
Can you name 1?
14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that [thread] and shake the dust off your feet.
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GuyNextDoor
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Thatâs why I disappeared into thin air LOL
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Servant19
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Thankyou, and I have been trying to show you where the teachings of the Catechism contradicts the teachings of Paul and Peter. These are the things that I receive no response toâŚ
The research is good for you. You should be grateful God gave you this opportunity, you should resist the complaints!
I donât remember you sharing any Greek passages with me. Either way, I am not interpreting the scriptures, Iâm just asking why there are anomalies. Iâm begging for reasonâŚEven when you had doubts and chose to interpret our scriptures your own way, I took an extra mile explaining word for word in the Greek Manuscripts which were written by the original writers before the Bible was translated to English, but even that you wouldnât accept. Not really sure what you can accept then.
Exactly, I saw no logic. I am a scientist. Logic is applied to all teachings. It should follow reason and logic. Iâm hoping that my science degree has not been given to me as a charity!
Itâs very simple. For example, I share with you that the Apostles never used the words God the Son, they always use God AND the Son in the same sentence, a lot. Why is that? God IS the Son, not distinct from the Son, according to you. I get little to no response.
No I cannot name one. My apologies, I would have to go back and read all the Books in this context.
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Servant19
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Yes and so have the Aboriginals of Australia, and the Native Americans and nearly every other indigenous culture on the planet that encountered âThe year of our LordâSure. After all, itâs been what? 150 years or so?
Its un-Christian, its as far from Christian values as a human can go.
I know of one person here on CAF who thinks your mockery, prideful sarcasm and denigration is tainting the pure name of the Catholic Faith, there may be others who are quietly thinking itâŚ
I know you have it in you to represent all that is holy, noble and righteous within your Faith, so I will pray that you can turn towards piety, humility and patience in your dialogue with members of other Faiths.
God bless you
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GaryTaylor
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I know you have it in you to represent all that is holy, noble and righteous within your Faith, so I will pray that you can turn towards piety, humility and patience in your dialogue with members of other Faiths.
God bless you
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Are you saying they relegated you to the âwe will pray for youâ area of denial and meanly at that? To quickly perhaps do to the inability to find that key to the door?Peace
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Nick44
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Therein lies the question. God gave man the gift of a rational mind and expected him to use it; not put it on a dusty shelf somewhere. Catholics love God and love Jesus, thatâs a big +++++++. So do Bahaâis. Catholics await the miraculous return of Christ in the Glory of the Father. Bahaâis believe that event has already occurred, and that Bahaâuâllah has brought the âkeyâ that explains, in a complete and rational way, the depths of spiritual truths that lay hidden beneath a simple literal rendering of the scriptures. For example, BahĂĄâuâllĂĄh writes in the Book of ĂqĂĄn:â
⌠âBy the terms âlifeâ and âdeath,â spoken of in the scriptures, is intended the life of faith and the death of unbelief. The generality of the people, owing to their failure to grasp the meaning of these words, rejected and despised the person of the Manifestation, deprived themselves of the light of His divine guidance, and refused to follow the example of that immortal Beautyâ. âŚ
⌠âEven as Jesus said: âYe must be born againâ [John 3:7]. Again He saith: âExcept a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spiritâ [John 3: 5â6]. The purpose of these words is that whosoever in every dispensation is born of the Spirit and is quickened by the breath of the Manifestation of Holiness, he verily is of those that have attained unto âlifeâ and âresurrectionâ and have entered into the âparadiseâ of the love of God. And whosoever is not of them, is condemned to âdeathâ and âdeprivation,â to the âfireâ of unbelief, and to the âwrathâ of Godâ. âŚ
âIn every age and century, the purpose of the Prophets of God and their chosen ones hath been no other but to affirm the spiritual significance of the terms âlife,â âresurrection,â and âjudgment.â ⌠Wert thou to attain to but a dewdrop of the crystal waters of divine knowledge, thou wouldst readily realize that true life is not the life of the flesh but the life of the spirit. For the life of the flesh is common to both men and animals, whereas the life of the spirit is possessed only by the pure in heart who have quaffed from the ocean of faith and partaken of the fruit of certitude. This life knoweth no death, and this existence is crowned by immortality. Even as it hath been said: âHe who is a true believer liveth both in this world and in the world to come.â If by âlifeâ be meant this earthly life, it is evident that death must needs overtake it.ââKitĂĄb-i-ĂqĂĄn, pp. 114, 118, 120â21.
Bahaâis are counseled to âlook into all things with a searching eye.â We come to our beliefs not by an accident of birth, but by individual investigation. We do not sprinkle infants; a person must be at least 15 years-old before they are allowed to make the decision to become a believer.
Bahaâuâllah warned that ,âThe vitality of menâs belief in God is dying out in every land; nothing short of His wholesome medicine can ever restore it. The corrosion of ungodliness is eating into the vitals of human society; what else but the Elixir of His potent Revelation can cleanse and revive it?â
We are proud to be in association with our God-loving Catholic brothers and sisters.
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Techno2000
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Why should we believe a man who channels spirits from the spirit world ?
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Nick44
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Not spirits, Techno, but THE Spirit,
âGod is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.â (John 4:24 KJV)
As to âwhyâ you should believe, well, you shouldnât, unless you really do, and that is a private decision for each individual to make.
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Randy_Carson
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Have that person contact me by PM to correct me privately - if he or she really exists.
FWIW- this kind of thing goes both ways, and I know of more than one person on the Internet who is willing to publicly state things like:
On a few occasions Iâve had the opportunity to discuss the Bahaâi faith with followers of Bahaâulla and have experienced the interpretive gymnastics needed to make Bible prophecy fit Bahaâi writings and Bahaâullaâs claims. Of the many different faiths Iâve dealt with, I must say Bahaâi is the most exasperating of them all. Most frustrating is the Bahaâis ability to ignore any proof you provide and continue a line of thinking even when clear evidence is given that it canât be true, even to the point of starting a conversation over and completely ignoring what even they have said themselves. If you ever get into a discussion with a Bahaâi you should also be prepared for condescension and an arrogant view of Christians. It is a common trait throughout the Bahaâi community to feel they are more intellectual than other faiths, and indeed study and memorization are a big part of their religion. This self image of being enlightened while the rest of us are clueless is part of the reason they are so deceived. Satan has always used pride as an effective tool for making people unable and unwilling to see the error in their ways. Seeing oneself as far superior intellectually makes it harder to accept facts presented by a supposedly less enlightened Christian.
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Techno2000
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So, Bahaâuâllah Channeled THE Spirit ?Not spirits, Techno, but THE Spirit,
âGod is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.â (John 4:24 KJV)
As to âwhyâ you should believe, well, you shouldnât, unless you really do, and that is a private decision for each individual to make.
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GaryTaylor
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No comprende, hows that consistent with the dialogue. If Jesus was created according to the proposition, and affirmed as suggested He was indeed only here for His public ministry. Then how does that stand to reason?
And when the axiom is to be found with no continuity of theorem, then what do the investigations suggest? Conviction of the Holy Spirit isnât to be understood as an infallible path to salvation through investigation as we see by examples posted in various areas.
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Techno2000
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They donât believe in the need for salvation because they donât believe in a Devil or Hell.
The BahĂĄâĂ Faith does not therefore accept the concept of âoriginal sinâ or any related doctrine which considers that people are basically evil or have intrinsically evil elements in their nature. All the forces and faculties within us are God-given and thus potentially beneficial to our spiritual development. In the same way, the BahĂĄâĂ teachings deny the existence of Satan, a devil, or an âevil force.â Evil, it is explained, is the absence of good; darkness is the absence of light; cold is the absence of heat.5 Just as the sun is the unique source of all life in a solar system, so ultimately is there only one force or power in the universe, the force we call God.info.bahai.org/article-1-4-0-9.html
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Nick44
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Yes, that is our belief. Similar to the way Jesus received His Inspiration:
âFor I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.â John 12:49 (KJV)
âJesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.â John 7:16 (KJV)
"BahĂĄâuâllĂĄh wrote: âNaught is seen in My temple but the Temple of God, and in My beauty but His Beauty, ⌠and in My pen but His Pen, the Mighty, the All-Praised.â
Still, BahĂĄâuâllĂĄh makes clear that He is not to be considered identical with God, Who is âimmeasurably exalted above every human attribute. âŚâ Regarding the Manifestations of God in the past and in the future, He revealed that God âhath caused those luminous Gems of Holiness to appear out of the realm of the spirit, in the noble form of the human temple, and be made manifest unto all men, that they may impart unto the world the mysteries of the unchangeable Being and tell of the subtleties of His imperishable Essence.â
â(from) The American BahĂĄâĂ, November/December 2010
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GaryTaylor
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Doesnât resolve the theological implications though is suggestive that it does, and is pious writing, nothing wrong with that. But the reason and faith thus investigation doesnât resolve in my estimation with this quote either. Perhaps further elaboration is required?
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Randy_Carson
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Perhaps the subject line of this thread should have been:
Who Does The Bab Say That He Is?
The Recantation(s) of The Bab
MOHAMMED REZA ISFAHANI, APRIL 2006
bahaiawareness.com/bab07.html
Who Does The Bab Say That He Is?
The Recantation(s) of The Bab
MOHAMMED REZA ISFAHANI, APRIL 2006
bahaiawareness.com/bab07.html
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Techno2000
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What God was this that Bahaâuâllah Channeled, the Hindu Religion Believes in Thousands of Gods ?
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