BAHA'I thread III - feel free to ask of Baha'i any questions

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arthra said:
Rinnie,

Thanks again for your posts…

Just a suggestion …Try not to mix my post with your own. It helps to keep things clear so there’s no misunderstandings.

I wanted to suggest something that may be useful for you

bible-researcher.com/parallels3.html

Gives a fairly good comparison of the Gospels.

Believing in Jesus Christ I cannot think of any verse that has come down to us that would be a “lie”. We do know He promised to return…and we Baha’is believe that “return” was fulfilled.

*Likewise the address of the angels to the people of Galilee, “That this Christ will return in the same way and that He will descend from heaven,” is a spiritual address. For when Christ appeared, He came from heaven, although He was outwardly born from the womb of Mary. For He said: “No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven.”

He said: “I came down from heaven and likewise will go to heaven.” By “heaven” is not meant this infinite phenomenal space, but “heaven” signifies the word of the divine kingdom which is the supreme station and seat of the Sun of Truth.

To be brief: The mysteries of the Holy Books are many and require explanation and elucidation. I hope thine insight will be so opened that the divine mysteries may become manifest and clear.*
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(Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha v1, p. 192)
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Yes It was my bad I hit some wrong button:blush:

Now you said Jesus came back, Then why don’t we have a new heaven and new earth and the world no longer as we know it then. I mean after all you did agree not a lie Jesus told.

Then if he came again and judged the living and the dead and the dead arose from the grave etc as he promised would you not HAVE to accept that scripture as a lie?

I mean you said he came back again. But if he did as you say why did he not fulfill his promise?

I mean your reference did give me scripture to not accept anything else. Now Jesus said he would come again in Glory to judge the Living and the dead. Did I miss it when he came?
 
arthra said:
Thanks for your post!

Abdul-Baha and Shoghi Effendi are the recognize Interpreters of the Writings. The last word on interpretations…

When any Baha’i speaks to an issue they will clarify it is their own view or will cite the Writings directly.

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But what if one of you tell me this and the other tells me that and so on and so on.

Who has the truth? Do you claim to have the power of the Holy Spirit to define Scripture.

Because the word of God says the Church is the Pilar of all truth. Why would Jesus tell us to go to the Church and the Church only and then conradict himself and send Baha’i?
 
PRmerger said:
Exactly.

In order to subscribe to the stolen body theory one must suspend any kind of logic and reason, and it begets a multitude of questions no one seems to be willing to address.

To wit: why? And then who lied about the body being actually resurrected? And why did these disciples die horrible deaths defending their lie? And why when they were tortured did no one confess, “We actually stole the body!”
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Not to mention the non-belivers who saw Christ afterward.
 
Servant19 said:
…and lochias, before you start calling me rude again, I would suggest that most people pictured you to look exactly like your avatar picture next to your name when you said the words:
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…I look like Brak? I am totally okay with that.

youtube.com/watch?v=wOs5AeGeu4Y
the world will not be bullied by so called “Christian” folk like you any more. We stand up for justice and demand respect, not for what we believe in, but for the very fact that we have been created by One God, and we all have a sprinkling of His attributes within all of us.
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You’re the one doing the bullying. You’re the one sweeping in here with a condescending attitude, firing off platitudes that you know are contrary to Catholic thinking. What floors me is that you’re “demanding respect” for being one of the rudest posters I’ve ever seen on CAF.

I respect you as a fellow human being, but I do not respect your religion, blatantly hostile as it is to the Catholic Faith. It’s abundantly clear that the Baha’i don’t play well with others. Your Bab would be so proud of you. 🤷 If you want my respect for the Baha’i Faith (never my reverence and belief, sorry), then earn it.
 
Lochias said:
…I look like Brak? I am totally okay with that.

youtube.com/watch?v=wOs5AeGeu4Y

You’re the one doing the bullying. You’re the one sweeping in here with a condescending attitude, firing off platitudes that you know are contrary to Catholic thinking. What floors me is that you’re “demanding respect” for being one of the rudest posters I’ve ever seen on CAF.

I respect you as a fellow human being, but I do not respect your religion, blatantly hostile as it is to the Catholic Faith. It’s abundantly clear that the Baha’i don’t play well with others. Your Bab would be so proud of you. 🤷 If you want my respect for the Baha’i Faith (never my reverence and belief, sorry), then earn it.
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I don’t need to earn a dot 😉

The very fact that I have an account here is a sign that the Catholic Faith respects me and respects my thoughts and opinions.

Catholic thinking doesn’t agree with ANY religion if you could have something to do with it, the the fact is this…there is a non-Catholic religions section, build a bridge brother…

Baha’is have the privilege to discuss their Faith here, and it was all going so well, good spirits and all…anyway…
 
i thought the purpose of this thread was to learn more about the bahai teachings.

however, many of my questions go unanswered.

here are a few i posted earlier. i will post others i asked and that went unaswered in another post.

a bahai wrote the following:

“Abdul-Baha and Shoghi Effendi are the recognize Interpreters of the Writings”

i responded with these questions:

who recognizes them? why are they the recognized intepreters?

do all bahai follow their interpretations? are there no disputes about spiritual matters among the thousands of bahai living in the world today?
 
here is another question i asked the bahai that has gone unanswered:

why do the bahai’s believe that spirits can consume physical food?
 
daler said:
However you want to look at it, nowhere does it say that Thomas actually “touched” Jesus.
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Okay, let’s look at what it says.

John 20:24-28
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

I’m coming to the discussion a bit late, so I may have missed something important. However, from what I have gleaned so far, I’d like to ask if you suggesting that Jesus did not have a physical body that could be touched? Is it for this reason that you highlight the silence of scripture concerning Thomas actually touching Jesus’ body?

If so, here is my question for you: Why would Jesus encourage Thomas to do something that he could not actually do? 🤷

Why would Jesus challenge Thomas to “stop doubting and believe” as a direct result of doing something that would not be possible unless Jesus actually had a physical body that could be seen and touched?

What would have been the result if Thomas had reached out, and there was no “there” there for him to put his finger into?
 
here i expressed my confusion about bahai teaching, hoping some bahai could provide a justification for the bahai belief that the catholic interpretation of the bible is wrong:

i wrote this, “i also do not understand why a person would believe that it is right to interpret sacred scripture differently from the interpretations of those who wrote and preserved sacred scripture.”

but, the bahai have not responded to my desire to understand this teaching.
 
Hi Eddie, all Baha’is recognize the absolute authority of Abdul-Baha and Shoghi Effendi.

They were authoritatively appointed by Bahaullah Himself, in His Will and Testament.

There are no Baha’is who do not recognize them as authorized interpreters and as such the volume of work from Abdul-Baha, Shoghi Effendi and the Revelation of Baha’u’llah forms an incredibly voluminous body of work which deals with EVERY single aspect of our spiritual and material lives that we could ask for.

The Baha’is are globally united as a result

Hope that helps 🙂
 
Servant19 said:
I don’t need to earn a dot 😉
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Then why are you demanding respect? :confused:
The very fact that I have an account here is a sign that the Catholic Faith respects me and respects my thoughts and opinions.
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Yup. But respect for others’ views does not equate to agreeing with them.
Catholic thinking doesn’t agree with ANY religion if you could have something to do with it, the the fact is this…there is a non-Catholic religions section, build a bridge brother…
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Baha’is have the privilege to discuss their Faith here, and it was all going so well, good spirits and all…anyway…
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Oh, no no no. Ya’ll are the ones who started in with the condescending attitudes. Can’t build bridges when the respect only goes one way.

Note, again: Just because Catholics respect you as a person with your own thoughts and ideas doesn’t mean that they think those ideas are right and true…because they aren’t. Not one bit. The fact that your people are here trying to not-so-subtly shove them down Catholic throats, regardless of how we respond, indicates that you possess a heinous lack of respect for the Catholic Faith.

Tell me, what makes the Baha’i religion so special that it considers respect to be one-sided in that manner?
 
eddie_too said:
here i expressed my confusion about bahai teaching, hoping some bahai could provide a justification for the bahai belief that the catholic interpretation of the bible is wrong:

i wrote this, “i also do not understand why a person would believe that it is right to interpret sacred scripture differently from the interpretations of those who wrote and preserved sacred scripture.”

but, the bahai have not responded to my desire to understand this teaching.
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My apologies Eddie, its really late here in Australia. I am sure someone will address this question very soon

God bless 🙂
 
daler said:
Lochias,
. Thank you for posting the quote. As you will note, it does not say that Thomas touched Him, does it. Thank you for this.
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Actually, the implication is that he did. How so?

Well, Jesus told Thomas to put his fingers into the nail holes and to put his hand into Jesus’ side in order to dispel any doubts about Jesus’ identity. John then notes that Thomas did believe by recording him saying, “My Lord and my God.” What caused Thomas’ change of mind if not the very proof that Jesus offered…the touching of his physical body?

Luke records additional evidence of Jesus’ physical resurrection and presence:

Luke 24:36-43
36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

Again, Jesus had the disciples touch his physical body to prove that He was alive and bodily resurrected. He also interacted with physical matter by eating a piece of fish.

Now, let me ask this question: You may assert that Jesus was purely “spiritual” and not real flesh and bones which enabled him to walk through doors or walls, but how is it that his body was able to chew and swallow fish? Why didn’t his spiritual body pass right through the fish just as it had passed through the doors and walls of the room where the disciples were gathered? 🤷
 
daler said:
PR It is said that there was an earthquake and that the stone rolled away. If this was the case, that could have been a reason. All of this is beside the point. If it is unacceptable to ask questions and use reason and logic in an approach to religion, we are left with just nodding our heads.
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Okay, I’ll ask a question, then.

Let’s suppose for a moment that there was an earthquake that moved the stone away from the entrance to the tomb.

Wouldn’t the Roman guards have simply put it back a few moments after the ground stopped shaking? Or at the least, wouldn’t they have remained at their posts to prevent the theft of the body?

As you consider your response, please recall that the penalty for a squad of Roman soldiers which allowed a prisoner to escape was death. :eek:

Thanks.
 
arthra said:
If you consider the Mount of Transfiguration where Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount with Jesus to the closest disciples of Jesus … are we asked to accept that Moses and Elijah had to be physically present? I don’t think so.
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Oh? On what basis do you reject eyewitness testimony?

As for them being physically present, whether they had physical bodies or not is not relevant to the event of the Transfiguration? They may have had physical bodies just like yours, they may have had glorified bodies such as we will all have in heaven, or they may have appeared as apparitions. Hard to say.

However, the Transfiguration does not relate directly to the bodily resurrection of Jesus.
 
what persuades bahais that bahaullah was a holy man?

what persuades them that hahaullah was a manifestation of God?
 
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