Balance in Sexual Morality (avoiding ridiculous extremes)

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you forgot to say that it is incompatible with logic as well (not that Christianity is something illogical…)… But it stands to reason when you violate your sexuality, bad things are going to come from it… The thing is, thoug… being human, we don’t always see beforehand, the consequences of our actions… The world, the flesh & the devil tell us that some pleasure is “good” and “natural”… so we find ourselves agreeing and sinning… 😦

Well- said… 🙂
Bottom line - God is not a god of confusion and he would not give us our intellect and sex drive if we were not intended to use. them You can spin it anyway you want, but I am sure that some people in Guyana said something similar to what you just said…right before they took a big gulp of the kool-aid.
 
as we all know, conscience is doing what we want and then telling God we are right
 
I agree with you, but still hold that countries show be able to make laws and corresponding punishments for homosexual activity. Perhaps then we can stop the “gay rights” movement from confusing more young people.
Only if those countries are fair and pass punishments for heterosexuall activity outside of marriage.
 
as we all know, conscience is doing what we want and then telling God we are right
Pope John Paul II tells us that conscience is an “interior dialog of man with himself” about right and wrong. It “is also a dialog of man with God”: it is “the witness of God himself” calling him to obey the moral law, and is a person’s “witness of his own faithfulness or unfaithfulness.” This is the basis of the great dignity of the conscience: it derives from its witness to objective moral truth. (Veritatis Splendor, 57-58, 60)

Conscience is the means God has given us to make moral decisions. Our freedom demands that we use it: “When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking.” (Catechism, 1777)

I think this may be a better Catholic understanding of Conscience.
 
I am coming to the conclusion that living in total compliance with church teaching in the area of sexual morality is something that I will never achieve in this lifetime.

My fear is that there are many people here that torture themselves daily with guilt and fear due to their perceived failings in this area at even the slightest “impure” thought. It’s hard to understand why God would give us this extremely powerful drive inside of ourselves then expect us to deny it at all times unless your goal is to create a child. Equally rediculous is the common attitude often heard that says that whenever a man sees an attractive woman clothed or unclothed and has even the slightest sexual thought that he is somehow “guilty” of something.

On the other hand, when I see the depths of deparvity and destroyed lives that can result when the sexual capacity is misused, such as the evils of hard core pornography, abortion and rape it’s also obvious to me that God never intended for human sexuality to be allowed to run amok. There are real and incredibly horiffic consequences when sexuality is allowed to get out of control.

Somewhere between Hugh Heffner and the teachings of Holy Mother Church balance and sanity can be found. Too many good people are feeling worthless because they cannot live up to these nearly impossible standards. Many of them wind up going off the deep end into complete depravity or total despair.

Single people, widowed, and even the social misfit need some form of an outlet for their sexuality, but they must deny it completely in order to aviod hell… If this isn’t crazymaking, I don’t know what is.

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wow my exact thoughts (only thought up more intelligently and written better! excellent post), after reading that thread on “married mortal sin in bed” or whatever it was called I thought I was alone…
 
wow my exact thoughts (only thought up more intelligently and written better! excellent post), after reading that thread on “married mortal sin in bed” or whatever it was called I thought I was alone…
With you too, dude. 😉
 
Here, Here…I’m all for it!
Equal punishments though. If you can be locked up for homosexual activity then the same sentence should be for adultery and fornication. Actually I don’t believe we have to waste the government time with criminalising every sin but if you’re going to do it do it across the board and don’t discriminate by being tougher on one group.
 
Equal punishments though. If you can be locked up for homosexual activity then the same sentence should be for adultery and fornication. Actually I don’t believe we have to waste the government time with criminalising every sin but if you’re going to do it do it across the board and don’t discriminate by being tougher on one group.
I would say open fornication could be punished; whether it be with a man, woman, or donkey. Fair is fair.
 
I KNEW this would be brought up. Look, my point is not to equate the behaviors, but to point out, as you have, that some behaviors are “inherently bad”. Pedophilia, by the way, was practiced in ancient Greece and Rome without a second thought as to its virtue…in fact, it was looked upon favorably by many.

That sex is not inherently bad is true, but we’re talking about certain expressions of sex that are bad; Pedophilia IS sex, and is bad. Homosexual behavior is bad. Rape is bad.

As Catholic Christians, we do not follow Aristotle’s Ethics, we follow Christ’s. 🙂
Pedophilia and rape hurt others. Sex, whether heterosexual or homosexual, between consenting adults, is not harmful in and of itself.
 
I would say open fornication could be punished; whether it be with a man, woman, or donkey. Fair is fair.
Obviously but anything done by consenting adults in the privacy of the bedroom, even though sinful, should be left alone. Criminalising it would be a waste of law enforcement.
 
Obviously but anything done by consenting adults in the privacy of the bedroom, even though sinful, should be left alone. Criminalising it would be a waste of law enforcement.
Anything anyone ALREADY does, in privacy of there own house, is left alone. We do not live in a totalitarian state; nor would I want one.
As regards your comment about “a waste of time”, I disagree. If the only thing it does is require that open sinner now be more discreet, that will be an improvement!
 
Equal punishments though. If you can be locked up for homosexual activity then the same sentence should be for adultery and fornication. Actually I don’t believe we have to waste the government time with criminalising every sin but if you’re going to do it do it across the board and don’t discriminate by being tougher on one group.
you’re gay, right? actually you bring a whole knew perspective on this to me which I didn’t think of before… fair is fair indeed, I am going to have to buy the book off of amazon everyone kept on saying
 
Anything anyone ALREADY does, in privacy of there own house, is left alone. We do not live in a totalitarian state; nor would I want one.
As regards your comment about “a waste of time”, I disagree. If the only thing it does is require that open sinner now be more discreet, that will be an improvement!
Sin doesn’t need to be publicly declared and changing the existing status quo to pass laws against consensual sex between adults would be doing that.
 
Anything anyone ALREADY does, in privacy of there own house, is left alone. We do not live in a totalitarian state; nor would I want one.
As regards your comment about “a waste of time”, I disagree. If the only thing it does is require that open sinner now be more discreet, that will be an improvement!
You can’t be serious. You just can’t be. Criminalizing such behavior would be beyond totalitarian. It would be ridiculous–that’s beyond Orwellian.
 
You can’t be serious. You just can’t be. Criminalizing such behavior would be beyond totalitarian. It would be ridiculous–that’s beyond Orwellian.
Very serious! Call it what you will. The fact is that the US had this very situation until about 30 years ago.
 
you’re gay, right? actually you bring a whole knew perspective on this to me which I didn’t think of before… fair is fair indeed, I am going to have to buy the book off of amazon everyone kept on saying
I face homosexual temptations. I am happy with myself. I don’t actively engage in sex. So if that is what you mean, you’re wrong. But I prefer to live by the old definition of gay as being happy, which means yes, I am.
 
Very serious! Call it what you will. The fact is that the US had this very situation until about 30 years ago.
No need to return to it though. Consenting adults should not face criminal prosecution.
 
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