Question: what does “SIL” mean?
sister in lawquestion: What does “sil” mean?
If she was baptized as a catholic, i assume she was baptized as an infant? If so, then according to baptist beliefs, she was never actually baptized.
Baptists believe that faith precedes baptism. You have to be baptized on a confession of faith. Without faith, there is no meaning or point in baptism.therefore, from the baptist perspective, there is only “one lord, one faith, one baptism” and that baptism requires faith in that one lord, i.e. Believers’ baptism.
(also, please note that it is not the “catholic” baptism that is in question. It is “infant baptism” that is rejected.)
That’s one issue, but more importantly they do not recognize infant Baptisms. They believe you must first have accepted Christ before you can be baptized. It is more of a public proclamation that they are Christian. They have little to know understanding of the sacraments.
(please correct me if I am wrong)I believe contemporary evangelicals and Baptists do not believe in the salvific affects of baptism. Therefore, they have no problem delaying Baptism, and as a result, some die without the sacrament. What a pity.
So why does it matter if it is done at the proper time and method?
Because some Protestants completely misunderstand and pervert baptism, making it a work you have to do once you have gained enough knowledge, shed enough tears, feel sorry enough for your sins, be changed enough inwardly… Once youre “enough” enough you go ahead and do this work.
Evangelical views vary (for example, the Nazarene Church gives parents the option of infant baptism).
I am not sure what you mean by proper time and method.
Well from a Lutheran and Methodist perspective one baptism with water was sufficient. That is the background I’m coming from. Now, my parents have been nondenominational/ Pentecostal, read your own Bible, do your own thing charismatics for about 20 years. I’ve attended a revival or service with them on occasion. They don’t talk about multiple baptisms with water but there are a lot of altar calls, laying on of hands, and being baptized in the Holy Spirit. That seems to be the way they rededicate themselves to Christ, especially after one has screwed up or something. Had a minister ask me if I had been baptized and I said yes, To which he responds,“Yes but have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit?” Really I had no clue what he was talking about but everyone around me seemed to want me to say no so he could get on with it. I was baptized in the spirit I guess, I don’t know, it freaked me out and I just wanted to go home. I guess some people feel they need to go through all that high drama every time they attend church. I just find it exhausting.
Thank you, this confirms what I thought…baptists incorrectly view it as a symbol.
Baptists do have altar calls (at least some of them do). However, besides those of a charismatic bent or a “Bapticostal” persuasion, many are actually somewhat hostile or suspicious of Pentecostal tendencies. For example, the Southern Baptist Convention gained attention a few years ago for refusing to recruit missionaries who spoke in tongues in private.Well from a Lutheran and Methodist perspective one baptism with water was sufficient. That is the background I’m coming from. Now, my parents have been nondenominational/ Pentecostal, read your own Bible, do your own thing charismatics for about 20 years. I’ve attended a revival or service with them on occasion. They don’t talk about multiple baptisms with water but there are a lot of altar calls, laying on of hands, and being baptized in the Holy Spirit. That seems to be the way they rededicate themselves to Christ, especially after one has screwed up or something. Had a minister ask me if I had been baptized and I said yes, To which he responds,“Yes but have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit?” Really I had no clue what he was talking about but everyone around me seemed to want me to say no so he could get on with it. I was baptized in the spirit I guess, I don’t know, it freaked me out and I just wanted to go home. I guess some people feel they need to go through all that high drama every time they attend church. I just find it exhausting.
Oh yeah and they “recommit their lives to Christ” over and over.
If you have been confirmed then you were baptized in the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2 the disciples gathered together in prayer were baptized in the Holy Spirit. In Acts 8, in Samaria Phillip had already baptized the people who believed…but then they have to call Peter and John to come lay hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit. It couldn’t just be Phillip, a deacon…but one of the apostles. confirmation leaves a mark/seal on your soul as does baptism. (rev 7:2-3) You receive the Holy Spirit at baptism but at Confirmation you receive a greater outpouring of the Holy Spirit in your soul. It cannot be repeated. What they do is more of a laying on of hands and letting the Holy Spirit act within you.Well from a Lutheran and Methodist perspective one baptism with water was sufficient. That is the background I’m coming from. Now, my parents have been nondenominational/ Pentecostal, read your own Bible, do your own thing charismatics for about 20 years. I’ve attended a revival or service with them on occasion. They don’t talk about multiple baptisms with water but there are a lot of altar calls, laying on of hands, and being baptized in the Holy Spirit. That seems to be the way they rededicate themselves to Christ, especially after one has screwed up or something. Had a minister ask me if I had been baptized and I said yes, To which he responds,“Yes but have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit?” Really I had no clue what he was talking about but everyone around me seemed to want me to say no so he could get on with it. I was baptized in the spirit I guess, I don’t know, it freaked me out and I just wanted to go home. I guess some people feel they need to go through all that high drama every time they attend church. I just find it exhausting.
You did nothing wrong in being rebaptized. You were trying to pursue Christ. He knows your heart. Your second baptism truly fit the Protestant definition of symbolism as you received the ongoing grace of baptism at your infant baptism (which may be why you are pursuing Christ
)I was actually thinking of PMing you a few minutes ago just to tell you that you’re a good guy and I really like you, but I’ll just put it here instead.You did nothing wrong in being rebaptized. You were trying to pursue Christ. He knows your heart. Your second baptism truly fit the Protestant definition of symbolism as you received the ongoing grace of baptism at your infant baptism (which may be why you are pursuing Christ
Has it been revealed at what age a child can be held accountable for not being Baptized because one does not know about it?
Thanks! I enjoy our conversations! It’s nice when someone like you is truly seeking Christ not just arguing!
No it hasn’t which is why Catholics are encouraged to baptize as soon as possible. It is also why the church permits anyone (even non Christians) to baptize in danger of death. It was even taught in my Paramedic textbook how to baptize properly.
Actually Itwin, this bolded statement might not be true for all Baptist denominations. A friend of mine was brought into the Catholic Church through RCIA as an adult and was baptized as an adult. Converted to Baptist with his wife approximately 10 years later and was required to be baptized again as they did not recognize his Catholic Baptism…Question: what does “SIL” mean?
If she was baptized as a Catholic, I assume she was baptized as an infant? If so, then according to Baptist beliefs, she was never actually baptized.
Baptists believe that faith precedes baptism. You have to be baptized on a confession of faith. Without faith, there is no meaning or point in baptism.Therefore, from the Baptist perspective, there is only “One Lord, one faith, one baptism” and that baptism requires faith in that one lord, i.e. believers’ baptism.
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(Also, please note that it is not the “Catholic” baptism that is in question. It is “infant baptism” that is rejected.)**