BAPTISTS, can they change?

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A ture Baptist, one the is rooted and grounded in his faith can never change. However a Baptist that is weak in there faith can certainly be decieved by Satan to moved to on to a false belief system.

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A ture Baptist, one the is rooted and grounded in his faith can never change. However a Baptist that is weak in there faith can certainly be decieved by Satan to moved to on to a false belief system.
You’re right. They don’t change. They only grow into the completion of the Faith when they come in to the Catholic Church.

I may have been seen as a weak Baptist, but I knew in my heart that it was pure hunger and thirst for anything the Lord Jesus would give. (See Matt. 5:6. It’s a promise and a covenant.) I never left what I held dearly in the Baptist faith, however, I saw that there was so much more than what the doctrines, pastors, professors, the Baptist Faith and Message, D.L. Moody, Herschel Hobbs, and the like could teach me. The Catholic Faith feasts at the banquet of Heaven in the Lord’s presence and shows us just what it means to believe in Jesus and not just accept Him as Savior, but also as LORD and to whorship Him as such with not only those of our time and physical presence, but the entire Faithful from the beginning until now.
That’s all I have to say about that.
 
I am a devout Catholic and I have a friend who is a Baptist. She says the Baptists never go outside of scripture , therefore when I tell her about other things about Christ, (What the Saints and mystics had to say etc…), she is baffled about this. She also complains that her church recites the verses over and over again. She counted 41 times last Sunday. (Lord we will raise you etc…)
I think she is leaning more toward the truth in Catholisism and I don’t want to push her. Question being, how do you tell other faiths to come to your church? Just say it? Talk about RCIA?

Thanks. 🙂
Hi,

I have a side question. What do you mean by mystics?
 
You’re right. They don’t change. They only grow into the completion of the Faith when they come in to the Catholic Church.

I may have been seen as a weak Baptist, but I knew in my heart that it was pure hunger and thirst for anything the Lord Jesus would give. (See Matt. 5:6. It’s a promise and a covenant.) I never left what I held dearly in the Baptist faith, however, I saw that there was so much more than what the doctrines, pastors, professors, the Baptist Faith and Message, D.L. Moody, Herschel Hobbs, and the like could teach me. The Catholic Faith feasts at the banquet of Heaven in the Lord’s presence and shows us just what it means to believe in Jesus and not just accept Him as Savior, but also as LORD and to whorship Him as such with not only those of our time and physical presence, but the entire Faithful from the beginning until now.
That’s all I have to say about that.
👍 :clapping: :love: :amen:
 
Hi,

I have a side question. What do you mean by mystics?
Hi,
Mystics are The Saints or others who have foreseen the future and predicted accurately the comings of the world. Almost like prophecies. 🙂
 
A ture Baptist, one the is rooted and grounded in his faith can never change. However a Baptist that is weak in there faith can certainly be decieved by Satan to moved to on to a false belief system.

forever Baptist
allischalmers
Hmmm:hmmm:… so anyone who leaves the Baptist church is being deceived by Satan:ehh: ? Catholics have a false belief system:whistle: ? Anyone who isn’t Baptist has a false belief system :ehh:?
 
How come John 6 isn’t taken literally when everything else is? That’s what brought me Home!!!
That is a greater mystery to me than the Trinity ;). But, the clincher for me is that the three Gospel accounts of the Last Supper, I Cor. 10:14-22 and I Cor. 11:23-32 are not taken literally either, and are largely ignored. The Scriptural case for the Eucharist is stronger than the case for “once saved, always saved”, “saved by faith alone”, or even arguments against the primacy of Peter.

Of course, what a Protestant acquantance of mine admitted to me once revealed the truth - he said that if he accepted the Church’s interpretation of John 6, he’d have to convert :rolleyes: (mind you that his tone was one of disgust - not a positive conversation). That’s why I avoid most of the other issues and talk about the Eucharist at every opportunity. Rather than arguing theology, we are offering a Gift, the greatest Gift - His Body and Blood. If given the opportunity and if there is a true opening I’ll ask, “How would you feel if you could be at the Last Supper and receive Jesus’ Body and Blood from His own hands?” The answer is usually in the affirmative. Then I’ll simply say that that’s what the Mass is. 👍
 
A ture Baptist, one the is rooted and grounded in his faith can never change. However a Baptist that is weak in there faith can certainly be decieved by Satan to moved to on to a false belief system.

forever Baptist
allischalmers
Maybe there are different types of Baptists, but every Baptist I know believes that anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior and believes that He is the Son of God is saved, whether they go to a Baptist Church, Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church, or even a Catholic Church. Has that changed?
 
I run hot-and-cold on Baptists.

I work with and have met many who are genuinely admirable people in their walk of faith. They simply practice what they preach and make no judgments.

I have also met those who are incredibly intolerant, pious, and sanctimonious, and whose behavior is quite self-righteous. They are so proud they have Bible verses memorized and can plug them in to any situation ad nauseam, with total disregard for context, and hold those in contempt who are not able to rattle off books, chapters, and verses.

To generalize or lump them altogether should be avoided because we, as Catholics, do not like it when non-Catholics generalize and pigeon-hole us into a category.

Speaking from my own personal experience, without any scientific evidence or survey to claim it as authenticated and accurate for all, I have often perceived Baptists as bait-and-switch sales people pitching their interpretation of the Gospel with the adamant attitude that those who do not align with their belief system are on the proverbial highway to Hell. Even on this forum, I observe some pleasant discussions among Catholics and Baptists, only to read the often-accompanied Baptists’ comments’ of how well-versed they are in the Bible and how they have the interpretations right and the Catholics have it wrong.

For me, a question from a Baptist has a hidden agenda. Last week, I received a telephone call form a Baptist minister and he asked me if I was active in and attended a church. I said “yes,” but did not inform him which church (after all, he only asked a question that could be answered “yes” or “no” and I suppressed the urge to elaborate because my previous experiences said it would only lead to a no-win discussion). He went on to explain to me that he was looking for those who do not attend a church to consider attending his. He did not pressure me to try his, but thanked me for my time. Again, I was hot-and-cold on this issue. On one hand, it is extremely impressive and proactive to try reach out to those who are not regular church-goers, but then on the other hand there is the solicitation and potential for the continued misrepresentation of the Gospel.

In the end, I try to take each situation on a case-by-case basis, but understand my own shortcomings, lest I think I am perfect and wonderful (of which I am not!), which occasionally give way to prejudices, intolerance, impatience, and overall preconceived negative notions.

That’s my spiel.
 
A ture Baptist, one the is rooted and grounded in his faith can never change. However a Baptist that is weak in there faith can certainly be decieved by Satan to moved to on to a false belief system.

forever Baptist
allischalmers
So, as I understand what you just wrote: A Baptist, at the age of reason, can make a profession of faith by stating the acceptance of Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior, be immersed in water that symbolizes this new conversion, and believe is saved, but then the reality is that the person was never saved to begin with so the person was duped into a false sense of salvation?
 
Maybe there are different types of Baptists, but every Baptist I know believes that anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior and believes that He is the Son of God is saved, whether they go to a Baptist Church, Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church, or even a Catholic Church. Has that changed?
I can assure you that there are Baptists who will tell Catholics that they are not saved because they believe a “false gospel”, even if the Catholics insist that they accept Jesus as their Savior and believe that He is the Son of God. Happens all the time.
 
I can assure you that there are Baptists who will tell Catholics that they are not saved because they believe a “false gospel”, even if the Catholics insist that they accept Jesus as their Savior and believe that He is the Son of God. Happens all the time.
I’ve heard that and it does not follow rational thought. That means that salvation is conditional on something other than the atonement of Christ, which is what they accuse us of believing.
 
So, as I understand what you just wrote: A Baptist, at the age of reason, can make a profession of faith by stating the acceptance of Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior, be immersed in water that symbolizes this new conversion, and believe is saved, but then the reality is that the person was never saved to begin with so the person was duped into a false sense of salvation?
I might add that every Baptist I know believes that salvation cannot be reversed, so that, as you stated, the “fallen away” Baptist who becomes Catholic, along with any Catholic, I suppose, who has made a profession of faith in Christ, was never really saved. Okay, then what about assurance of salvation? There is none then. That is an untenable position.
 
You’re right. They don’t change. They only grow into the completion of the Faith when they come in to the Catholic Church.

I may have been seen as a weak Baptist, but I knew in my heart that it was pure hunger and thirst for anything the Lord Jesus would give. (See Matt. 5:6. It’s a promise and a covenant.) I never left what I held dearly in the Baptist faith, however, I saw that there was so much more than what the doctrines, pastors, professors, the Baptist Faith and Message, D.L. Moody, Herschel Hobbs, and the like could teach me. The Catholic Faith feasts at the banquet of Heaven in the Lord’s presence and shows us just what it means to believe in Jesus and not just accept Him as Savior, but also as LORD and to whorship Him as such with not only those of our time and physical presence, but the entire Faithful from the beginning until now.
That’s all I have to say about that.
Gallo:

Excellent … you must have been offended by that quote … Excellent response!

Mgeising
 
I can assure you that there are Baptists who will tell Catholics that they are not saved because they believe a “false gospel”, even if the Catholics insist that they accept Jesus as their Savior and believe that He is the Son of God. Happens all the time.
My baptist mother inlaw has told me over 22 times that I am doomed to hell! :eek: :eek: :eek:

All I can say is THANK GOD FOR GOD!

Amen!
 
My experiences with Baptists have been nothing but good.

My grandmother was a Baptist before she converted. Her daddy was a Baptist minister and so was his daddy before him. She said what converted her was seeing all the Protestant denominations and realizing that there was only one true church, and the Catholic church was it. Remarkably, she said the only Catholic teaching she ever found hard to swallow was the idea of racial equality - she grew up among extremely prejudiced people. She said she just decided that since the Church was right about everything else, she would trust them on the race issue.

I have found them to be sincere and fearless in their pursuit of the truth - and very interested in the Catholic faith. They are naturally suspicious of the more complicated practices of our faith, but they appreciate backbone and a willingness to say it like it is. I think they are culturally more Germanic, is all.

Give 'em the truth and give it to 'em straight and they’ll appreciate it. If you need some hints, start here:

biblechristiansociety.com/

In fact, I was at a Baptist church last night - they throw the best Halloween party in our town! :yup:
 
So, as I understand what you just wrote: A Baptist, at the age of reason, can make a profession of faith by stating the acceptance of Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior, be immersed in water that symbolizes this new conversion, and believe is saved, but then the reality is that the person was never saved to begin with so the person was duped into a false sense of salvation?
There are many people that call themselves baptist but are not Baptists at all. it seems that any Joe that wants to start his oun church will call it a baptist church so that people will beleive it is an independent and people that go there will call themselves baptist but that does not make them true baptists or their church a true baptist church. Therefore any one goes to a true Baptist Church and believes what a true Baptist Church teaches will never change, thats it!
Now regarding salvation, every true Baptist knows that we are not save because we say the sinners prayer or make a profession of faith or are baptized. We do know that it is God that save us by his power to save whom ever he wants. We do not except Jesus Christ, He excepts us. We do not receive Jesus Christ as personal savior, Jesus Christ recieves us after the Holy Spirit has conditioned and prepared our soul and mind to be followers of Him.

forever Baptist
allischalmers
 
We do not except Jesus Christ, He excepts us. We do not receive Jesus Christ as personal savior, Jesus Christ recieves us after the Holy Spirit has conditioned and prepared our soul and mind to be followers of Him.
I’m not trying to be confrontational and maybe this isn’t the best thread for this discussion, but I do really want to know. Does this mean that there are people who Christ does not accept? If not, then why aren’t all people saved since the action is the Holy Spirit’s and there is no element of choice on the part of each person?
 
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