Beach Wedding?

[Katie1723]

Br. Rich SFO:

The big deal is the Canon Law of the Church says that Sacraments are to take place in the church building. Unless something serious make it neccessary to celebrate them in another place like a hosptial. A Catholic follows the law of the Catholic Church because that is important to them. So a beach wedding would most likely be an invalid wedding.

Tell that to our boys in Iraq
~ Kathy ~

 

[CARose]

Katie1723:

Tell that to our boys in Iraq
~ Kathy ~

Why Kathy, how does this apply to them? What’s going on?

CARose

 

[Katie1723]

The point I was trying to make, albeit poorly made is to the poster who said …" The big deal is the Canon Law of the Church says that Sacraments are to take place in the church building." I think our “military personnel” would feel differently
~ Kathy ~

 

[Detroit_Sue]

Deacon Ed:

The short answer is “no!” Since marriage is a sacrament it should be celebrated in a holy place – a church, chapel or oratory. I don’t know of any bishop in the United States that will dispense from this canonical obligation.

Deacon Ed

 

[Detroit_Sue]

Katie1723:

The point I was trying to make, albeit poorly made is to the poster who said …" The big deal is the Canon Law of the Church says that Sacraments are to take place in the church building." I think our “military personnel” would feel differently

                       ~ Kathy ~

Our military personnel have the Sacraments available to them, and they still celebrate Mass. It may not be the Cathedral, but they have designated chapels, even if they’re in tents.

 

[Katie1723]

Detroit Sue:

Our military personnel have the Sacraments available to them, and they still celebrate Mass. It may not be the Cathedral, but they have designated chapels, even if they’re in tents.

That’s exactly what I was trying to say…
~ Kathy ~

 

[CARose]

Detroit Sue:

Our military personnel have the Sacraments available to them, and they still celebrate Mass. It may not be the Cathedral, but they have designated chapels, even if they’re in tents.

Yup, this is why I didn’t understand your point Kathy. Sorry about that.

I guess I don’t think they’d necessarily feel different on the issue of sacraments belonging in a sacred place.

CARose

 

[krokal]

CARose:

I just recently (this Sunday, as a matter of fact) had to miss my own brothers wedding because he was raised Catholic and his fiance (I can’t call her wife, they’re not married in the church) chose to get married “on the beach”. The had a destination wedding that I would have loved to participate in. I would have thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the family and friends and to have shared in this momentous occation in their lives, yet they put their own preferences over obedience to God.

I’m sad that they have unwittingly put their souls in jeopardy. They may be able to get buy with a degree of ignorance now, but what happens if / when one of them realizes the error of their ways. If the other is resistant, it could create a rift in their marriage trying to fix things.

You missed your brother’s wedding over this? Are you serious? From your post, you act as if you are some how better than him, that his wedding is not good enough for you. Why can’t you be happy and help him celebrate his marriage? If it isn’t a Catholic wedding, so what? There are plenty of worse things in life.

I’m sorry to sound like an ***, but skipping a wedding over something so trivial as this, makes me upset.

 

[CARose]

It has absolutely nothing to do with my being “better” than him. I made the same mistake and my marriage has paid the price of my error.

I love my brother enought to be willing to try to communicate just how seriously I take following the teachings of the church. I put God above all else, even if it leads to misunderstandings, which I have tried to charitably express and clarify in the family. He knows I love him and his fiance’, but they are NOT married validly if they chose to not be married in the Church. Hence, the two of them standing in front of family and friends, declaring that they will be sharing the marital bed merely declares they will be living in sin and have no intention of placing God first in their relationship.

I love my brother enough to want only that which is best. And certainly his wonderful fiance deserves only the best from him. To offer her less is wrong.

Charity starts will the truth, spoken clearly and with love. It is with love that I took the sacrifice of missing this event.

I’m sorry if it upsets you. I’m the one who missed out on being with family and friends, but I needed to try to witness to the truth, even if they (and you) don’t get it. Sometimes the truth is hard to understand, but that doesn’t change things.

Once upon a not too long ago time, my opinion would have been in the majority, but because we slowly backed off from speaking the truth for fear of hurting someone’s feelings or not wanting to offend anyone, now the truth isn’t even recognized for what it is. And truth is immutable, it doesn’t change due to social moreas.

I hope I’ve expressed myself clearly and charitably,

CARose

 

[krokal]

Hence, the two of them standing in front of family and friends, declaring that they will be sharing the marital bed merely declares they will be living in sin and have no intention of placing God first in their relationship.

I take it you’re not a very ecumenical person. You state they are living in sin because they didn’t get married in your church? Are you saying that two people can’t put God first if they get married outside of the Catholic church? I know millions of Christian couples would disagree with you. Being Catholic is not a requisite for having a Christian marriage.

 

[Lorrie]

gnat:

I’m sorry to sound like an ***, but skipping a wedding over something so trivial as this, makes me upset.

As you said, you aren’t Catholic, so of course you don’t understand. You said you have been going to Mass for the last few months…I hope you decide to join the RCIA - at least then you will see the importance of the sacraments we hold so dear.

You are saying, “What’s the big deal?” While so many Catholics are trying to explain it to you. Open your ears, close your mouth and stop acting like a stubborn child whose going to hold his breath until he gets his way. If you want to be Cathloic you don’t pick and choose what suits you best. You abide by the Bible and Canon Law.

As I said, go through the RCIA, then you will begin to understand the error in your thinking.

P.S. - I see on your profile that your date of birth is 1988 - what is a 17 year old doing thinking about marriage in the first place?!?

 

[Lorrie]

gnat:

I take it you’re not a very ecumenical person. You state they are living in sin because they didn’t get married in your church? Are you saying that two people can’t put God first if they get married outside of the Catholic church? I know millions of Christian couples would disagree with you. Being Catholic is not a requisite for having a Christian marriage.

Then why not just get married by a Methodist minister?

 

[krokal]

Because then I would be living in a state of sin and not be puting God first.

P.S. - I see on your profile that your date of birth is 1988 - what is a 17 year old doing thinking about marriage in the first place?!?

I don’t know, I just am. I don’t say to myself, Kaleb, you can’t think about marriage until you’re at least 21. I’ve thought about my future, and that includes marriage.

 

[Lorrie]

gnat:

Because then I would be living in a state of sin and not be puting God first.

Now you are either #1 contradicting yourself or #2 being sarcastic. If its the latter then you must really be 17 years old.

 

[krokal]

#2; I figured the roll eyes emoticon would give it away. But your post about getting married by a Methodist minister comes across just as sarcastic. If I convert, why would I have a Methodist minister do my wedding? That makes zero sense.

 

[Lorrie]

#2; I figured the roll eyes emoticon would give it away. But your post about getting married by a Methodist minister comes across just as sarcastic. If I convert, why would I have a Methodist minister do my wedding? That makes zero sense.

It just appears like you are fighting the “Catholic way” - since it appears that you are then why not just go the easy route, the route you want? Easy meaning no rules about where and how to marry.

Speaking for myself, I couldn’t imagine marrying anywhere than in a Catholic Church. Its what we as Catholics believe, its a very holy sacrament. Once you educate yourself more you will see and understand this. As I said, you don’t pick and choose just because its something you want. That’s being selfish and childish. No one ever said religion was easy, we all make sacrifices for what we believe in. Once you live a certain way you begin to see the meaning of it all - in turn you become blissfully happy - at least that’s how it is for me.

 

[cyprian]

gnat:

I take it you’re not a very ecumenical person. You state they are living in sin because they didn’t get married in your church? Are you saying that two people can’t put God first if they get married outside of the Catholic church? I know millions of Christian couples would disagree with you. Being Catholic is not a requisite for having a Christian marriage.

during your exploration of sorts, you might look into what real ecumenism is. How do you know so many people? Remember Christianity is not a religion, it’s a church. There is only one Church. Marriage is either sacrament or it is not. Oh and by the way, we don’t consider the Church as ours, it’s Jesus’, what he says, we do. All of this I say from experience. I was married in the Church, divorced, re-married episcopal, came back to the Church and lived in continence for 1 year with my wife because the Holy Spirit convinced me I was living in sin.(along with a couragious priest) So we had our marriage validated after my annuhlment processed and now we are sacramentally married. If it didn’t matter, than why all the trouble? It does matter, I went to the trouble, it wasn’t easy. I carried my cross. (now there’s an idea!)

peace and love and explore the one true Church

 

[krokal]

It just appears like you are fighting the “Catholic way” - since it appears that you are then why not just go the easy route, the route you want? Easy meaning no rules about where and how to marry.

I’m fighting the “Catholic way” because it is instinct. I’ve know another way for the past 17 years. I would you think you could realize that changing your beliefs if a tough matter. Why would I want to go the easy route? I’ll try and take the route that my Lord gives me as best I can. Whether it’s easy or hard, I’ll take that path.

Oh and by the way, we don’t consider the Church as ours, it’s Jesus’, what he says, we do

Then why do you fill the Church with things that Jesus doesn’t specify about? Like certain marriage requirements. And as far as there only being one Church, are you referring to Christianity or the Catholic Church?

 

[Lorrie]

gnat:

I’m fighting the “Catholic way” because it is instinct. I’ve know another way for the past 17 years. I would you think you could realize that changing your beliefs if a tough matter. Why would I want to go the easy route? I’ll try and take the route that my Lord gives me as best I can. Whether it’s easy or hard, I’ll take that path.

I went through the RCIA, I was in an Assembly of God church for 15 years. I know exactly what its like to change your beliefs.

All I’m saying is either you do something or you don’t. If you do it (become Cathoilic) don’t do it half-***ed.

 

[TAS2000]

You state they are living in sin because they didn’t get married in your church? Are you saying that two people can’t put God first if they get married outside of the Catholic church?

No, that isn’t what was said. If two Methodists get married following the Methodist rules, the Catholic church would recognize that as perfectly valid, unless it was proved otherwise (through an annulment investigation). But if someone is Catholic, and gets married by BREAKING the Catholic rules, then there is a problem. It is a big difference.