Beautiful verses of Quran

[friendship]

We wanted to talk about beatiful verses of Quran. But it seems some ones can’t endure it!!

Sorry pal but even Sharia laws say that parts of the Koran were abrogated. And you’re right about them being about the Jews and the Christians and how believers are supposed to treat them. It went from sounding good to sounding pretty bad.

I prefer to talk about the sects of Islam that directly affect me and the rest of the civilized world and not some sect that in itself has no power within Islam to change anything and are also treated as us unbelievers are treated. You even admitted that yourself to us here.

I know that even the sects of Islam that have the power in Islam such as the sunni, and in some instances the Shia, their followers do nothing to change Islam either. They sound more like you in telling us how peaceful it is or how beautiful it is when it isn’t at all. But discussing those and studying them we are better prepared to know what the intent of Islam is.

As for reading anymore of the Koran than I have to - no thanks. I don’t feel like poking my eyes out with a pencil tonight over some mind numbing, disjointed verses.

Do you know any thing about abrogated verses?!

You can talk about sects of Islam some where else, this thread is about beautiful verses of Quran.

Ok don’t read Quran, we didn’t implore you to read that!! But don’t bustle in this thread. We want read Quran and talk about that.

 

[friendship]

Did the people think that they will be left to say:" We believe" without being put to the test?(Quran29:2)

 

[planten]

The Atheists keep on raising the problem of abrogation in the Quran. They use the verse 2;106 to support themselves. That is because they do not understand the holy books.

"WE do not abrogate any verse (sign) nor do we make it to be forgotten, we bring a better one in its place or another one equal to that." Al-Quran 2:106.

The verses of the Quran are not abrogated… Rather Quran has abrogated the old style verses of the bible. So the bible is in fact superceded by the Quran.

The Christians can keep reading their bible because there is still some truth in it. Quran does not forbid the Charistians to read the bible. In fact, it exhorts the christians to become good christians and to support the truth and keep away from falsehood. That is the message of the Quran.

 

[staffsgt7]

Why must prophet Muhammad had hatred of the Jews? How may prophet muhammad tried to got Jews’ money and he had a poor life until die. History books show us that the Jews had hatred of prophet Muhammad and tried to fight to hom and kill him and asked pagans of Mecca to began Ahzab war. Isn’t it Prophet Mouhammad’s right to prosecute the suberters?

Mohammed wasn’t poor because he married a rich woman as his first wife. He was a leech. History shows us that the Jews did nothing to Mohammed. They even went to his uncle to ask him to stop ridiculing them. They even gave him power in Medina and Mohammed chose to carry on a slaughter against them.

You are just trying to make up some revisionist history. All of this is from your trilogy of books - Koran, Hadith and Sira. Mohammed didn’t prosecute anyone. He butchered them and then enslaved the women and children.

You even don’t know that moon wasn’t Islam synbol and was Ottaman’s countrey. I’m sorry for som sites such as bible.ca whitch write such lies.

The Bible didn’t write that. It shows you don’t even know the Bible and you are trying to discuss/bash it without even reading it. I have never refutted the symbol from the Ottoman empire. I just told what Mohammed was before he invented Islam and what his pagan religion worshiped.

Kaaba and black stone didn’t related to pagans relegion. If you read any book about paganst in Arabia, you’ll know Kaaba and balck stone been before beginning of paganism in Arabia. Prophet Muhammad never followed paganism and he always prayed only God. Bible had been changed and difference between Quran and Bible is cause of that. Quran never said that “I am a new book!!” Quran says that it the book of Moses and Ebraham.

Allah means “only God”. Pagans of Arabia never though that Hubal is Allah, as history books say they believe in a God in th sky and his name was “Allah”. Allah is translation of “God(only God if wanst say advertent)”. All people pagans, Muslims, Christians and Jews in Arabia call the god as Allah. So Allah isn’t the name of a bust, But Hubal as Ozza and Lat was a bust whitch pagans worship for them. And other things you said about Uzza and manat and lat are some other jokes.

You said it was what arabs used know and do!!! What you said about peredicts of Quran? What do you have to say about miracles of prophet Muhammad? And you said Allah’s 3 daughters!!! oh God every thing you’re saying is claim, liar. And who said you that Jews and Christians had no precedent with kaaba? As history books say they respected it.

I don’t know what thing of reality is bad whitch dorce you to use lies!

Your qoutes are brummagem. Lies of orientalist and some bigoted atheists such as Ali Sina whitch you quoted just can convince anti-islam ones like them.

Mohammed didn’t do any miracles. He even admitted it so himself. When you don’t like what you hear you bash a person.

I trust former Muslims more than I trust Muslims to tell the truth about Islam because of taqiyya and kethman.

Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy’ has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: ‘he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.’

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.

Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split ‘the enemy’. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation’; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.

 

[staffsgt7]

We wanted to talk about beatiful verses of Quran. But it seems some ones can’t endure it!!

Do you know any thing about abrogated verses?!

You can talk about sects of Islam some where else, this thread is about beautiful verses of Quran.

Ok don’t read Quran, we didn’t implore you to read that!! But don’t bustle in this thread. We want read Quran and talk about that.

Yes, I know about abrogation and that is why I know what you guys are doing. The real question is, are you willing to admit to it yourself? You try to make the Koran sound peaceful when it really isn’t.

That is why I came on this thread - not to discuss Islam’s pagan roots but to discuss those verse. I just responded to someone saying that the moon god, Allah or Hubal, didn’t play a part in Islam because it did. So did Mohammed’s previous pagan religion.

Mohammed changed verses as needed, and as he changed from a guy who was known to be peaceful to one of a perverted warlord. His verses for sexual lusts never changed though. He needed to make them up to explain away his need to acquire (for example) his stepson’s wife . The other verses in regards to how his followers should treat non-Muslims changed when Mohammed changed. When he became a mass murderer so did the verses change to accomodate his change.

Abu al-Kasim Hibat-Allah bin Salama (d. 1019) argued that the starting point of any investigation of the Qur’an is the science of abrogating and abrogated verses. He identified four categories of abrogation: 43 chapters unaffected by abrogation; six chapters that augmented the concept of abrogation but were themselves not abrogated; 40 chapters with abrogated wording but authority intact; and 25 chapters with both their wording and authority abrogated. (See Table 1: Abrogation in Practice, below)

Please keep the personal bashing of others out of the conversation. If someone wants to disagree with you about Islam that doesn’t make them less of a person. We do not have to follow your ideology’s dictates contrary to what islam teaches that we do. I am not a Muslim and it would be the last ideology that I would join, in fact I don’t even put it last I put it on the 'nope, :nope: I wouldn’t join it if I met your Allah face to face. But I won’t hold my breath unless a meteor hits the moon and it comes tumbling down.

 

[staffsgt7]

My question to any Muslim is why they think their God didn’t get it right the first time with Adam? Why didn’t he give the Koran to him and the orders to kill, subjugate or convert all to Islam and instead started the line of the Jews? Why did their God let the Jews go so offbase and not start the Jihad way back before Jesus was born, or Isaiah, or Joshua, or Moses, or Abraham. None of them got the word that they should be waging Jihad and some of them had a more direct contact with God than Moses did.

Mohammed depends on the Koran but then they turn around and say it is corrupted. What parts are corrupted? Where is the proof? Why after thousands of years did your God not get his message straight if he only wanted people killed or subjugated?

I read in the Koran parts where Mohammed say the Koran was corrupted by the devil! If we follow that logic then how can we be certain more of it isn’t corrupted? Especially since it changed so radically when Mohammed gained power and used it to justify his sexual lusts and murders and other things not up and up.

Personally I think you all are getting fooled by a fool (Mohammed) even after his death.

You can tell me that over a billion people follow him but that doesn’t mean that it is right. It is based on fear and death, brainwashed little children grow up to be brainwashed adults. And if they do think for themselves they are threatened with death. And I have seen videos put out by Muslims almost bragging how they torture people who don’t follow Sharia laws. It is just a disgusting display of psychopathy that I have ever seen. Don’t start with the there is no compulsion because in sharia laws there is the command to kill apostates. I don’t even want to read/hear it from Ahmadis either since they don’t do anything to change what is in the Koran or sharia laws.

Then we get no effort, none, from Muslims to change this. disgusting.

 

[planten]

There are two msiguidance being spread by the Atheists (and the Catholics?). One is about the abrogation of verses. I have proved it that there is no abrogation of verses of Quran. It is the abrogation of some of the verses of the bible. That is done by the new verses revealed by God in the Quran. So some verses of the bible have been rendered null and void. They have been superceded.

The other misinformation is about Crucifixion. The non-believers are trying to tell the world that Muslims believe it was not Jesus on the cross. That is all well planned and done to cause confusion amongst the Muslims and to put them on the wrong track.
No where in the Quran or the Hadith there is any such indication that there was some one else on the Cross.

Such are the beautiful verses of the Quran and no one can find fault with them. There has been a challenge from the Quran that no one can bring a book or a part the like of the Quran. Let every one try hard. They cannot do it.

 

[staffsgt7]

There are two msiguidance being spread by the Atheists (and the Catholics?). One is about the abrogation of verses. I have proved it that there is no abrogation of verses of Quran. It is the abrogation of some of the verses of the bible. That is done by the new verses revealed by God in the Quran. So some verses of the bible have been rendered null and void. They have been superceded.

The other misinformation is about Crucifixion. The non-believers are trying to tell the world that Muslims believe it was not Jesus on the cross. That is all well planned and done to cause confusion amongst the Muslims and to put them on the wrong track.
No where in the Quran or the Hadith there is any such indication that there was some one else on the Cross.

Such are the beautiful verses of the Quran and no one can find fault with them. There has been a challenge from the Quran that no one can bring a book or a part the like of the Quran. Let every one try hard. They cannot do it.

You haven’t proved anything. You prove you are trying to deny it and change the subject but your proof just is not there. I don’t bide by the ‘life according to planten’ as being the way of the world. Just because planten writes something doesn’t make it true. In fact it usually isn’t.

Confusing Muslims is done all the time. You guys keep following Mohammed and his Koran then you will be confused. And Hitler came pretty close to bringing a book like the Koran, it is called Mein Kampf. If he would have thought up a God and wrapped holiness around hating and killing he might have been more successful just as Mohammed did.

 

[friendship]

Mohammed wasn’t poor because he married a rich woman as his first wife. He was a leech. History shows us that the Jews did nothing to Mohammed. They even went to his uncle to ask him to stop ridiculing them. They even gave him power in Medina and Mohammed chose to carry on a slaughter against them.

His first wife was rich but she payed all of all of her money for propaganda Islam and in time of die she was poor.

Prophet Muhammd lived like poor people. He even didn’t let his daughter Fatamatozahra to has a servant in home and has deluxe things in home. So it was not important for prophet Muhammad to get money, because he never used that for himself.

You are just trying to make up some revisionist history. All of this is from your trilogy of books - Koran, Hadith and Sira. Mohammed didn’t prosecute anyone. He butchered them and then enslaved the women and children.

Your lies don’t need to peply.

The Bible didn’t write that. It shows you don’t even know the Bible and you are trying to discuss/bash it without even reading it. I have never refutted the symbol from the Ottoman empire. I just told what Mohammed was before he invented Islam and what his pagan religion worshiped.

wow! I wrote bible.co (your refrence) I didn’t write Bible!!

The moon is the Symbol of some groupes of Turks. Arabs and Iranian muslims didn’t use the moon as a symbol.

Prophet Muhammad never followed the relegions of pagans.

Mohammed didn’t do any miracles. He even admitted it so himself. When you don’t like what you hear you bash a person.

Ha ha. Cowards always lie. Books of Syrah and Hadithes and Quran show you that he had several miracles. He never said “I have no miracle”. Liar Orientalists just annotate three verses of Quran to say he never had any miracle!!! But these verses as they say charify just deny pagans doltish requests. They siad “We accept yout prophet hood only if we see the god!” Absolutly it is impossible to see the god, So Quran didn’t accepttheir request.

Quran predicts are great miracles whitch you have no answer for them.

I trust former Muslims more than I trust Muslims to tell the truth about Islam because of

You trust them because you’re looking for a reason for deny Islam.

 

[friendship]

Yes, I know about abrogation and that is why I know what you guys are doing. The real question is, are you willing to admit to it yourself? You try to make the Koran sound peaceful when it really isn’t.

That is why I came on this thread - not to discuss Islam’s pagan roots but to discuss those verse. I just responded to someone saying that the moon god, Allah or Hubal, didn’t play a part in Islam because it did. So did Mohammed’s previous pagan religion.

Mohammed changed verses as needed, and as he changed from a guy who was known to be peaceful to one of a perverted warlord. His verses for sexual lusts never changed though. He needed to make them up to explain away his need to acquire (for example) his stepson’s wife . The other verses in regards to how his followers should treat non-Muslims changed when Mohammed changed. When he became a mass murderer so did the verses change to accomodate his change.

lol! I am sure about Quran. Quran is peaceful eanough. Some people are bloody-minder, We must fight to them to save ourselves and people.

Prophet Muhammad never followed pagans’ relegion.

He never changed verses of Quran and this lie never written by first authors of Islam history books. He never ordered to killed a non-sin one.

Please keep the personal bashing of others out of the conversation. If someone wants to disagree with you about Islam that doesn’t make them less of a person. We do not have to follow your ideology’s dictates contrary to what islam teaches that we do. I am not a Muslim and it would be the last ideology that I would join, in fact I don’t even put it last I put it on the 'nope, :nope: I wouldn’t join it if I met your Allah face to face. But I won’t hold my breath unless a meteor hits the moon and it comes tumbling down.

Heh, personal basihing!! loool You are coward because try to copy-paste texts and create many questions. You just try don’t let us to answer you.

If you arenot a coward, ask just 1 question to I answer you.

 

[schaick]

7.157 “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”

7.158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that ye may be guided.”

I don’t see Mohammad’s name in this verse it could still be:
His Messenger[Mohammad], the Unlettered Prophet[Jesus]

Mohammad is not the comforter and he is not in the Old Testament.

 

[jakasaki]

7.157 “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”

7.158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that ye may be guided.”

I don’t see Mohammad’s name in this verse it could still be:
His Messenger[Mohammad], the Unlettered Prophet[Jesus]

Mohammad is not the comforter and he is not in the Old Testament.

Since when is/was Jesus Christ identified as “unlettered”???

Christ was educated and could read as he read scripture to the congregation of Jews in the temple.

 

[jakasaki]

7.157 “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”

7.158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that ye may be guided.”

I don’t see Mohammad’s name in this verse it could still be:
His Messenger[Mohammad], the Unlettered Prophet[Jesus]

Mohammad is not the comforter and he is not in the Old Testament.

Now to address these 2 verses.

I’m familiar with them and they do bug me.

In these 2 verses the use of “Unlettered Prophet” is clear and muslims take it as if it’s talking about mohamad.

So here allah, calls mohamad the “unlettered prophet”, meaning that mohamad knows no letters therefore cannot read.

However, in the “clot” chapter which was the first words of the so called angel from the cave incident, it tells mohamad to “read”.

Why is it that the all-knowing allah didn’t know that mohamad could not read?

 

[friendship]

7.157 “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”

7.158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that ye may be guided.”

I don’t see Mohammad’s name in this verse it could still be:
His Messenger[Mohammad], the Unlettered Prophet[Jesus]

Mohammad is not the comforter and he is not in the Old Testament.

Just repeating old posts!! lol!

perlied before:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6180408&postcount=33
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6183679&postcount=50

Absolutly, 7.158 shows that this prophet is prophet Muhammad, because Quran ordered to this prophet to say somethings to people and Quran is God’s message to prophet Muhammad.

 

[staffsgt7]

lol! I am sure about Quran. Quran is peaceful eanough. Some people are bloody-minder, We must fight to them to save ourselves and people.

Prophet Muhammad never followed pagans’ relegion.

He never changed verses of Quran and this lie never written by first authors of Islam history books. He never ordered to killed a non-sin one.

Heh, personal basihing!! loool You are coward because try to copy-paste texts and create many questions. You just try don’t let us to answer you.

If you arenot a coward, ask just 1 question to I answer you.

your posts are the usual stuff I read from Muslims. It is as if you guys think we are that stupid to keep on believing this stuff from you. I got your Sharia laws, I got your Koran and other texts.

He not only ordered to kill ‘non-sin’ ones but after he did it he had no problem raping the women and children, even right after and in front of their freshly butchered men in their families, and then enslaving them. He didn’t care if they sinned or not, he just cared if they either accepted his killer self/god. The leech, Mohammed, didn’t want to have to work for a living he found that killing, stealing and enslaving paid off. All he had to do to get guys like you was to promise loot and slaves in this life and some orgy and feast in the afterlife and he got followers.

 

[friendship]

your posts are the usual stuff I read from Muslims. It is as if you guys think we are that stupid to keep on believing this stuff from you. I got your Sharia laws, I got your Koran and other texts.

He not only ordered to kill ‘non-sin’ ones but after he did it he had no problem raping the women and children, even right after and in front of their freshly butchered men in their families, and then enslaving them. He didn’t care if they sinned or not, he just cared if they either accepted his killer self/god. The leech, Mohammed, didn’t want to have to work for a living he found that killing, stealing and enslaving paid off. All he had to do to get guys like you was to promise loot and slaves in this life and some orgy and feast in the afterlife and he got followers.

Confirm your claims by first history books: Ibn Hisham and Maqazi Vaghedi to talk about.

 

[friendship]

Confirm your claims by first history books: Ibn Hisham and Maqazi Vaghedi to talk about.

Absolutly if you can’t confirm your claims, you are a liar.

 

[friendship]

My friend, I am here just for talk to Christians. But some ones’ job here is saying lies about relegions, absolutly such guys are liars.

please look at the thread’s name. It is about Quran. But this one talks about history and copy-pastes articles of anti-islam sites. He tries to alienate the thread. I said before anti-islams many centeries tried to deny Islam. I can’t answer all things they said because thier contrapositions are so much, and I have eanogh time to answer all of them. But if you ask your question 1 by 1, I’ll can answer you. I’m not here to convert you to Islam and I’m just here for more searchings, If you ask many questions I can’t answer all of them. Every one knows that attack is easier than defence!

 

[planten]

From J C: My main concern with Islam is that it seems unable to integrate into societies where Islam is not the dominant faith. It seems like it is going through a real struggle realising that when it’s adherents live in a multi-faith society that it cannot expect to be seen as sacrosanct

JC. it did not happen in the early times of Islam. Muslims were travelling and trading peacefully all over the world. It is only in the present times that Muslims have msiunderstood their religioun and they have become narrow minded.

You can fit the example of the Jews at the time of Jesus a.s. The present day Muslims are some (crude) copy of those Jews. Or may be exact copy, even worse.

There are still many enlightened Muslims who studied in the western countries in England and Europe (in years 1890 to 1950). They returned to their own countires and served the people. Still most Muslims are living and working and earning happily in western countries. The trouble makers are far and few.

 

[friendship]

That man can have nothing but what he strives for (Quran53:39)