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[bbarrick8383]

What I don’t recall is Jesus saying the private market is the answer to all. All the best.

“Everything you have is a gift from God. But what you do with what you have, is your gift to God.”

You, you, you, you. Leave mine alone, that way I as in me, me, me can give it to God. It’s mine to give, not yours. You have no right to enter my house through a ballot box, pick my wallet up off the table and take what you feel is yours.

I gave money to the Church today, would have been nice to give a bit more…but you took it.

 

[Catherine_D]

Hey CMatt, I’m just curious. Do you support slavery?

You’re on record as being concerned about the poor, the sick, etc. and for wanting public health care. But how do you feel about slavery? Is slavery good or bad? Acceptable or unacceptable?

 

[Good_News_1]

Legalized theft.

Why do you write these sorts of things?

Are you just trolling?

 

[CMatt25]

“Everything you have is a gift from God. But what you do with what you have, is your gift to God.”

You, you, you, you. Leave mine alone, that way I as in me, me, me can give it to God. It’s mine to give, not yours. You have no right to enter my house through a ballot box, pick my wallet up off the table and take what you feel is yours.

I gave money to the Church today, would have been nice to give a bit more…but you took it.

And what is the Church going to do with it? Install a marble altar like my local parish did?If they hadn’t asked for donations for marble, perhaps people would have had more to give for other things. Do something with it on the abortion front? Pay insurance for protection in lawsuits against pedophile priests and Apostolic successors who had covered up child abuse?

 

[Good_News_1]

And what is the Church going to do with it? Install a marble altar like my local parish did?If they hadn’t asked for donations for marble, perhaps people would have had more to give for other things. Do something with it on the abortion front? Pay insurance for protection in lawsuits against pedophile priests and Apostolic successors who had covered up child abuse?

If you don’t want to give to the Church, fine.

How much did they pay for the marble? How much went to operations? How much to purposes you support?

 

[bbarrick8383]

Why do you write these sorts of things?

I gave money to the Church today, would have been nice to give a bit more…but you took it.

Because it is, what it is. There should not be a door from the ballot box to my home to take what I’ve earned to feed my family and give as I see fit to whom I see fit. It’s what I believe.

Are you just trolling?

Trolls don’t stick around for 2 years and 3,000 posts.

 

[CMatt25]

Hey CMatt, I’m just curious. Do you support slavery?

You’re on record as being concerned about the poor, the sick, etc. and for wanting public health care. But how do you feel about slavery? Is slavery good or bad? Acceptable or unacceptable?

Slavery is one of those things in the Bible which I reject. But don’t bother going there because Suudy and I have already discussed apples and oranges including the differences between it and what someone might believe occurs at the moment of conception. Also don’t for a minute try to equate taxation of the wealthiest with an African American working in slavery.

 

[Good_News_1]

There should not be a door from the ballot box to my home to take what I’ve earned to feed my family and give as I see fit to whom I see fit.

Not sure what this means.

Taxes don’t become theft because you disagree with them.

 

[bbarrick8383]

And what is the Church going to do with it? Install a marble altar like my local parish did?If they hadn’t asked for donations for marble, perhaps people would have had more to give for other things. Do something with it on the abortion front? Pay insurance for protection in lawsuits against pedophile priests and Apostolic successors who had covered up child abuse?

Well now, this post explains a lot.

My Church has a seperate donation available for building funds.

The are constantly running out of money trying to help the needy in my area. Maybe if you hadn’t taken it they wouldn’t run out all the time.

Plus they handed out a envelope to donate to Catholic Charities which listed all the good things they do. I’m going to send it out this week with some money in it as well, wish I could send more.

I see now though, your Church is located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Nice building. All this time I thought you were Catholic.

 

[CMatt25]

If you don’t want to give to the Church, fine.

How much did they pay for the marble? How much went to operations? How much to purposes you support?

Who said I don’t give? Whatever went to the marble could have partly at least gone to the homeless folks a block away. What now you need my financial records?

 

[Catherine_D]

Slavery is one of those things in the Bible which I reject. But don’t bother going there because Suudy and I have already discussed apples and oranges including the differences between it and what someone might believe occurs at the moment of conception. Also don’t for a minute try to equate taxation of the wealthiest with an African American working in slavery.

That may be your opinion. However, the fact of the matter is, that the forceable extraction of the fruits of one person’s labor, through taxation, which is then taken and given to another person who didn’t earn it, is, by definition, slavery. What some people call “redistribution of wealth” is, in fact, a form of slavery.

Charity is voluntary. Money or property taken by force is not voluntary and therefore not charity.

So what BBarrick is saying is true. You have every right to decide for yourself what you want to do with your own money, with your own property, with your own time, and with the fruits of your own labors.

But when you start saying that someone else should pay for things that you designate as good purposes, even if it is through the ballot box, that’s still legalized theft. That’s involutary servitude on the part of the person that has to pay for what you designate as a good purpose. The wealth or lack of wealth of that purpose has no bearing on the matter. It’s the process.

This is why voluntary charity is successful and why the tyranny of Marxism and wealth redistribution has failed everywhere it has been tried.

 

[CMatt25]

Well now, this post explains a lot.

My Church has a seperate donation available for building funds.

The are constantly running out of money trying to help the needy in my area. Maybe if you hadn’t taken it they wouldn’t run out all the time.

Plus they handed out a envelope to donate to Catholic Charities which listed all the good things they do. I’m going to send it out this week with some money in it as well, wish I could send more.

I see now though, your Church is located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Nice building. All this time I thought you were Catholic.

If yours is having such trouble, has it ever considered maybe less bldg funds so they wouldn’t run out as quickly for the needy? Just a consideration.

 

[CMatt25]

That may be your opinion. However, the fact of the matter is, that the forceable extraction of the fruits of one person’s labor, through taxation, which is then taken and given to another person who didn’t earn it, is, by definition, slavery. What some people call “redistribution of wealth” is, in fact, a form of slavery.

Charity is voluntary. Money or property taken by force is not voluntary and therefore not charity.

So what BBarrick is saying is true. You have every right to decide for yourself what you want to do with your own money, with your own property, with your own time, and with the fruits of your own labors.

But when you start saying that someone else should pay for things that you designate as good purposes, even if it is through the ballot box, that’s still legalized theft. That’s involutary servitude on the part of the person that has to pay for what you designate as a good purpose. The wealth or lack of wealth of that purpose has no bearing on the matter. It’s the process.

This is why voluntary charity is successful and why the tyranny of Marxism and wealth redistribution has failed everywhere it has been tried.

And thanks for your opinion too. As the Bible tells us. Many parts. One body. Other flocks of sheep. We disagree on poltics and emphasis to be sure. But one thing I have never judged any of you in all my time on CAF as souls being endangered just because you do not believe the poor and healthcare and war and peace issues should be elevated to higher positions and abortion to less emphasis than they are today. It is not my place to judge your souls. Again as I’ve stated, lets us pray for one another. God bless ya’ll and peace.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Not sure what this means.

Taxes don’t become theft because you disagree with them.

I don’t have a problem with paying taxes, for services that we all use, services within the powers of the federal government. Services within the power of the state governments and services within the power of local governments.

But, the federal government has no right to take hard earned money from one individual and through forced charity, redistribution of wealth, whatever you want to call it turn around and decide what other individuals get a share of it.

“Twenty-Fifth Sunday in Ordinary Time: The dishonest manager in today’s parable knew how to manipulate money to his own advantage. But the Gospel warns that no one can serve both God and money. Which do I serve? Is my stewardship such that anyone can tell?”

The government is the dishonest manager, they do not deserve to redistribute our wealth. It will be stolen from us in the name of the poor and hungry and used for means out of our control to gain wealth or fame for those who take it to begin with.

“Your right to be you, includes my right to be free from you.”

 

[Good_News_1]

I don’t have a problem with paying taxes,

Good. We are agreed.

The state has authortiy to tax. You may not like taxes for some things, but that doesn’t mean the taxation is theft.

 

[Catherine_D]

And thanks for your opinion too. As the Bible tells us. Many parts. One body. Other flocks of sheep. We disagree on poltics and emphasis to be sure. But one thing I have never judged any of you in all my time on CAF as souls being endangered just because you do not believe the poor and healthcare should be elevated to higher positions and abortion to less emphasis than they are today. It is not my place to judge your souls. Again as I’ve stated, lets us pray for one another. God bless ya’ll and peace.

Thanks for your good wishes. Not sure about your assessment of the rest, but I’ll leave it at that.

I’m happy to be in full communion with the Catholic Church. And I hope and pray that everyone will be, at least eventually. That’s not a judgment, it’s a prayer. As Father Corapi says ~ it is not charity to confirm someone in their sin. Well, it isn’t charity to withhold important information from them either.

I trust that while everyone is giving their opinions on various matters that it is understood that, in then end, what we want for all our brothers and sisters is eternal life, and if we can help them get there, then we should do our best help them accomplish that goal.

 

[bbarrick8383]

If yours is having such trouble, has it ever considered maybe less bldg funds so they wouldn’t run out as quickly for the needy? Just a consideration.

Not every Church is evil you know.

They used the money to remodel the kitchen to hold more people, just finished it this week as a matter of fact. They will have the first soup kitchen next week.

Any more questions?

While were at it, would you mind going to this web site below and give them some of my money?

catholiccharitiesok.org/

 

[bbarrick8383]

Good.

The state has authortiy to tax. You may like taxes for some things, but that does mean the taxation is theft.

I love taking part of peoples posts and ignoring the rest. Glad you came around to my way of thinking.

Redistribution of wealth is stealing from one person to give to another.

It’s pretty simple.

 

[CMatt25]

Thanks for your good wishes. Not sure about your assessment of the rest, but I’ll leave it at that.

I trust that while everyone is giving their opinions on various matters that it is understood that, in then end, what we want for all our brothers and sisters is eternal life, and if we can help them get there, then we should do our best help them accomplish that goal.

And on that note I am calling it a night and leave you all hopefully singng these lyrics along with me tonight…

“Come on people now, smile on your brother everybody get together and try to love one another right now”. :grouphug: Peace.

 

[Good_News_1]

Redistribution of wealth is stealing from one person to give to another.
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All taxation is redistributive - from the taxpayer to a defense contractor, from the taxpayer to the schoolteacher, from the taxpayer to the people who benefit from the project being constructed, from the taxpayer to the farmer, etc. etc.

When elected representatives apply money in ways you do not like, it isn’t stealing.