Beck: Help us restore traditional American values

[gilliam]

Catholics recite prayers in public every time we go to mass. Praying in public was taught by Jesus, not to mention our tradition of the Divine Office, so I don’t understand bashing it.

That Beck was an alcoholic and found solace in the LDS chuch is a failure of his local parish, not of Beck, IMHO, so I don’t see bashing him for that either.

These personal attacks on Beck are getting tiresome. If people have problems with his politics (and I do with some of them), then talk about that. But personal attacking is not what CAF is all about.

Having said that, getting back on topic:
Mr. Beck said Saturday. “This country has spent far too long worrying about scars and thinking about scars and concentrating on scars. Today, we are going to concentrate on the good things in America, the things that we have accomplished, and the things that we can do tomorrow.” …

Officials do not make crowd estimates because they are unreliable and can be controversial, but event organizers put the number of attendees at 500,000; NBC News said it was closer to 300,000, but by any measure it was a large turnout. The crowd stretched from the Lincoln Memorial to the Washington Monument.

nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html

 

[the_phoenix]

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[Via_Dolorosa]

I am a Catholic who leans right and supports the Church’s position on the five non-negotiables. I also enjoy… well, “enjoy” isn’t quite it… but I do read Glenn Beck’s posts on fox.mobi and find him energizing. He clearly advocates a return to faith-based patriotism without reversal.

Here’s what gives me pause about Glenn Back.

I believe his historical base for a return to Christian virtue is centered in The Third Great Spiritual Awakening in America, a time when preachers sought to reinvigorate their sermons with emotion. Bible centered values and even a renewed sense of patriotism became wild, theatrical calls for Christian repentance, with preachers demanding ever-increasing public displays of transformation and devotion in day to day life. Denominations leveraged charismatic pastors against not so charismatic pastors, and the messenger in whole replaced the message. Once the narcotic theatrics wore off, vast areas of eastern New York became known as “the burnt over districts”, where people were unreachable to the enthusiasm of Christian revivalists. The strenuous emotional appeals for sola fide salvation produced unintended lethargy towards Christian principles on one side and a slew of Bible-based Jesus Cults on the other. One of these is Mormonism: a new church, a restored gospel. Glenn Beck is from this tradition, a Mormon saint who now leads the country through the wilderness back to a God, a path he knows that evidently we don’t know. At times, he feels very patriarchal, very certain of that holy and moral direction he wants to lead us. It feels good to listen to someone with conviction during these uncertain days. Yet I have seen him bury the seeds of his faith in his speeches: comparing ancient Chinese burial traditions to those of Native Americans, as if to suggest a lost tribe from “somewhere over there” ended up in North America, a Mormon argument to be sure. Or, that children should watch parents pray in their bedroom with the door open. That seems a little weird. Prayer is something I prefer to do in private. The Bible advocates that approach.

Glenn Beck is two things right away:

1. He is a recovering alcoholic. AA was co-founded by a Catholic Priest, so I imagine it’s okay for Catholics to attend. AA can deeply rededicate addicts to a life of spirituality. I know this from first-hand experience. It many ways, twelve steps are microcosms of the plurality of America, under the idea of a God you individually define. But AA can vilify traditional religions as part of the problem, “the religion they were raised with”, usually Catholicism, somehow inferior to a nebulously defined higher power. Alcoholism and his recovery through the Twelve Steps explains some of his approach to living spiritually.
2. He is a lapsed Catholic who has quoted Pope Benedict to repudiate liberation theology. His choice to use the Pope’s words feels tactical to me. Is he catering to “Big Tent” policy in the Republican party? Or does he admire Pope Benedict? What do I make of his transformation into a Mormon? Can I trust him on spiritual values? Or is he surreptitiously driving our wagon train to Kolob?

N2M4L

Thanks for your insight. I learned something. God Bless

 

[Sonic]

1. He is a lapsed Catholic who has quoted Pope Benedict to repudiate liberation theology. His choice to use the Pope’s words feels tactical to me. Is he catering to “Big Tent” policy in the Republican party? Or does he admire Pope Benedict? What do I make of his transformation into a Mormon? Can I trust him on spiritual values? Or is he surreptitiously driving our wagon train to Kolob?

His father was a follower of Religious Science, and I don’t think Beck had a strong Catholic background.

Religion is central to Beck’s current identity, but he didn’t grow up that way. Anticipating his own shotgun conversion to Mormonism, his father adopted Catholicism only because it was the precondition to sex and marriage with Mary. Before meeting his future wife, William Beck preferred a more modern form of spiritualism known as Religious Science. Developed by Ernest Shurtleff Holmes, the “science of mind” philosophy combined a Unitarian belief in god with a humanistic belief that man ultimately determines his own destiny through his thoughts and actions. Holmes is considered a proto-theorist of what would become the modern self-help movement, and his ideas early trickled down to the young Beck. Holmes has graced Beck’s recommended reading lists, and Holmesian ideas appear just two pages into Beck’s 2003 memoir cum manifesto, “The Real America,” which begins with dime store science-of-mind. “I have found there are four steps to change,” writes Beck. “1. You must want it. 2. You must believe it. 3. You must live it. 4. You will become it.”

source: salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/21/glenn_beck/print.html

 

[underhismercy]

I watched the whole event on CSPAN… I was moved to hope for this country as I haven’t been in a long time . Where else in the world could people stand in their capital city and proclaim the name of the Lord Jesus Christ …calling their country to repentance .

We live in an AMAZING country. We have a great God. Let’s get on our knees and pray for restoration for our country as we’ve been exhorted to do today.

In the closing prayer, a veteran who had his face burned off in Vietnam asked us to be the reflecting pool for the Spirit of God.

I’m going for the restoration…

PAX+

 

[CDNowak]

1. He is a lapsed Catholic who has quoted Pope Benedict to repudiate liberation theology. His choice to use the Pope’s words feels tactical to me. Is he catering to “Big Tent” policy in the Republican party? Or does he admire Pope Benedict? What do I make of his transformation into a Mormon? Can I trust him on spiritual values? Or is he surreptitiously driving our wagon train to Kolob?

N2M4L

I think he promotes a “mere Christianity” approach, for the most part most religions agree on general moral principles. Using Pope Benedict may have been tactical in part: Beck definitely sides with ‘conservative’ Catholics and has called out the ‘social justice’ movement in relation to its confused roots (modern social justice movement is of a similar mix as liberation theology).

Can you trust him on spiritual values? In general yes: recommitting to faith, hope and charity; to prayer; to bringing religion back to the public square. In the specifics, no: Native Americans as the Lost Tribes, etc.

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

Friends who were at the rally today tell me Dr Alveda King got the loudest applause.

From her blog.

networkedblogs.com/7coQr

A group of African American Leaders will stand with Glenn Beck and David Barton in Washington, DC for the 8/28 Rally. Yours truly, Alveda King will be there. We will speak of faith, hope and love, honor of God, our families and our neighbors. Unlike those quoted in the release below, who are still fighting for the right to murder womb babies, we will be promoting human dignity for the human family. This group of Black leaders standing with Beck support good education for all children, procreative reproductive health, jobs and fair housing for everyone, good nutrition for everyone, and of course procreative marriage and life for womb babies. We honor our military, our teachers, our health care providers, and care for all the least of these, no matter what color they are! As Glenn Beck has been saying on his show, we are one human race, not separate races! Please pray that people will have the courage to stand up for truth!

She also writes on another post:

They are saying that I am against Rev. Al Sharpton’s March. I’m not. I am simply speaking at another Rally. Glenn Beck invited me to his Rally. Rev. Sharpton did not invite me to his March. Glenn booked the Lincoln Memorial for his Rally long before Rev. Sharpton even announced his March. If the Lincoln Memorial was so important for Rev. Sharpton, why didn’t he book it before Glenn did?

 

[Marie5890]

I have no idea of what the demographics of the people at the rally were. It’s well known that many people appreciate Glenn Beck.

That includes people of his own faith…Mormons…

And trust me…Mormons have a very large community in the Wash DC area (one of the reasons they have one of their beautiful temples there)

I went to BYU for college…Mormons are heavily recruited by the government…esp like FBI, CIA, DEA, DoD, State Dept etc.

Mormons are known to be VERY patriotic, tend to be very conservative and many of them are bi-lingual since all LDS males of the age of 19 are required go on missions and many of them are sent internationally…

And many young LDS women of 21 years of age also serve foreign missions and fluent in other languages…

I have no doubt that many of those people at the rally are LDS supporting one of their own…

 

[Christopher68]

You must not be as secure in your values or you would not be so upset with this rally. If you don’t like it, why bother to post. Do you just feel a need to be disagreeable?

mary bobo,

You are reading things into my previous post which simply aren’t there. As Via Dolorosa has correctly replied, I was merely stating my opinion - without any intent of being disagreeable. In fact, my previous post - as this one - is being written with a smile on my face as opposed to a scowl.

Why would you feel I am not secure in my values? I find that an odd assertion to make, in that I never even stated what they were! If you are indeed interested to know, from a political standpoint I have held libertarian beliefs long before I even knew what a libertarian was. My core political values are individual liberty, personal responsibility, and freedom from government (essentially on all issues at all times). I have held these beliefs for the entirety of my adult life. Part of my distaste of Glenn Beck results from his claim to be a libertarian, but to simultaneously espouse many positions which are anathema to libertarian thinking. Beck also claims to be a huge fan of Ayn Rand’s timeless classic novel Atlas Shrugged. I am also a fan of Atlas Shrugged and a proponent of the Randian objectivist approach to economics through an unfettered free market devoid of government influence or interference. Yet if Rand were alive today, she would not be a fan of any of the politicians that Beck associates with, and would correctly claim that in many ways both parties are completely devoid of principle.

My other reason for disliking Beck relates to his hyper-emotional personal style. I fully realize that most politicians and newsmakers have big egos, but Beck seems more self-important than most. I just returned from Saturday evening mass, and the theme of the readings was one of humility. In the first reading, Sirach counsels of humility of spirit and behavior, and to act from a humble heart. These are not attributes one would normally associate with Glenn Beck.

As always, not being disagreeable, just stating my opinion.

 

[seekerz]

I am a Catholic who leans right and supports the Church’s position on the five non-negotiables. I also enjoy… well, “enjoy” isn’t quite it… but I do read Glenn Beck’s posts on fox.mobi and find him energizing. He clearly advocates a return to faith-based patriotism without reversal.

Here’s what gives me pause about Glenn Back.

I believe his historical base for a return to Christian virtue is centered in The Third Great Spiritual Awakening in America, a time when preachers sought to reinvigorate their sermons with emotion. Bible centered values and even a renewed sense of patriotism became wild, theatrical calls for Christian repentance, with preachers demanding ever-increasing public displays of transformation and devotion in day to day life. Denominations leveraged charismatic pastors against not so charismatic pastors, and the messenger in whole replaced the message. Once the narcotic theatrics wore off, vast areas of eastern New York became known as “the burnt over districts”, where people were unreachable to the enthusiasm of Christian revivalists. The strenuous emotional appeals for sola fide salvation produced unintended lethargy towards Christian principles on one side and a slew of Bible-based Jesus Cults on the other. One of these is Mormonism: a new church, a restored gospel. Glenn Beck is from this tradition, a Mormon saint who now leads the country through the wilderness back to a God, a path he knows that evidently we don’t know. At times, he feels very patriarchal, very certain of that holy and moral direction he wants to lead us. It feels good to listen to someone with conviction during these uncertain days. Yet I have seen him bury the seeds of his faith in his speeches: comparing ancient Chinese burial traditions to those of Native Americans, as if to suggest a lost tribe from “somewhere over there” ended up in North America, a Mormon argument to be sure. Or, that children should watch parents pray in their bedroom with the door open. That seems a little weird. Prayer is something I prefer to do in private. The Bible advocates that approach.

Glenn Beck is two things right away:

1. He is a recovering alcoholic. AA was co-founded by a Catholic Priest, so I imagine it’s okay for Catholics to attend. AA can deeply rededicate addicts to a life of spirituality. I know this from first-hand experience. It many ways, twelve steps are microcosms of the plurality of America, under the idea of a God you individually define. But AA can vilify traditional religions as part of the problem, “the religion they were raised with”, usually Catholicism, somehow inferior to a nebulously defined higher power. Alcoholism and his recovery through the Twelve Steps explains some of his approach to living spiritually.
2. He is a lapsed Catholic who has quoted Pope Benedict to repudiate liberation theology. His choice to use the Pope’s words feels tactical to me. Is he catering to “Big Tent” policy in the Republican party? Or does he admire Pope Benedict? What do I make of his transformation into a Mormon? Can I trust him on spiritual values? Or is he surreptitiously driving our wagon train to Kolob?

N2M4L

Funny you should ask that last question. I just finished watching him answer a question from a student regarding whether there are elected representatives willing to die for our republic and he immediately named Michelle Bachman, whom he describes as the main target?! What’s that about? He certainly seems to be implying that her life may be ‘required’ of her…?

Someone should slap a hazard label on every microphone: Warning - the mixing of politics and religion is liable to be toxic to body, mind and soul, however smooth the tongue!

 

[no2masters4life]

Gilliam…

I’d like to respond quickly to your comments.

1, Catholics recite prayers in public every time we go to mass. Praying in public was taught by Jesus, not to mention our tradition of the Divine Office, so I don’t understand bashing it.

I’m tackling that one as MATT 6, 5-6:

[5] "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
[6] But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

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That Beck was an alcoholic and found solace in the LDS chuch is a failure of his local parish, not of Beck, IMHO, so I don’t see bashing him for that either.

1. Mr. Beck would be the first to disagree with you that individual salvation depends on collective salvation. His parish did not fail him. He made a decision to follow Mormonism as an individual, and made an individual commitment to practice the spiritual principles of AA in all of his affairs.

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These personal attacks on Beck are getting tiresome. If people have problems with his politics (and I do with some of them), then talk about that. But personal attacking is not what CAF is all about.

1. If you reread my post, you’ll see that I am examining the content of his character, which is exactly what he would ask us to do today, in lieu of The Third Great Spiritual Awakening in America, which created Mormonism, his religious compass. I want to know how much of his religious background is informing his politics, and I have every right to ask whether it’s Catholic enough on this forum.

Let’s not confuse ‘bashing’ with honest criticism. I’m sure Mr. Beck can handle it.

 

[estesbob]

Funny you should ask that last question. I just finished watching him answer a question from a student regarding whether there are elected representatives willing to die for our republic and he immediately named Michelle Bachman, whom he describes as the main target?! What’s that about? He certainly seems to be implying that her life may be ‘required’ of her…?

Someone should slap a hazard label on every microphone: Warning - the mixing of politics and religion is liable to be toxic to body, mind and soul, however smooth the tongue!

God forbid we should let our Faith interfere with our politics…

 

[gilliam]

Gilliam…

I’d like to respond quickly to your comments.

1, Catholics recite prayers in public every time we go to mass. Praying in public was taught by Jesus, not to mention our tradition of the Divine Office, so I don’t understand bashing it.

Not sure if your saying the Mass is wong and the Divine Office is wrong. And rather than bat Gospel quotes back and forth (like where two or more are gathered [say 500,000] together in my name, I am there…) For this isn’t the forum to debate whether Catholics know how to pray or not. Let’s just assume our 2,000 year tradition is correct and we are praying the way our Lord wants us to. If you disagree, please take it to Apologetics.

Anyway, no one is saying, “hey look how holy I am” which, I think Jesus was talking about. Beck certainly wasn’t saying that. At least I didn’t hear it. He came across as a seeker, not a spiritual leader.

A side note for you to consider if you are, in fact, going after the Divine Office, even hermits in the Roman Catholic tradition say the Divine Office either communally or at the same time their community does. The prayer is a common prayer. But that is better discussed in Apologetics.

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That Beck was an alcoholic and found solace in the LDS chuch is a failure of his local parish, not of Beck, IMHO, so I don’t see bashing him for that either.

1. Mr. Beck would be the first to disagree with you that individual salvation depends on collective salvation. His parish did not fail him. He made a decision to follow Mormonism as an individual, and made an individual commitment to practice the spiritual principles of AA in all of his affairs.

I think others have already addressed the fact that he probably was not a practicing Catholic at the time and was raised in another religion. So this is mute.

As for whether we should not trust Beck because he is Mormon. I am not going to him for spiritual direction. But if he wants to get America to start thinking about God more, and try to return to Natural Law. I’ll support that.

Personally, I don’t know how much Beck knows about what he is trying to do at this point. What today proved is that there seems to be a need out there for something. What I heard from Beck today is that we should turn to God, not him, not Palin, not Obama, not the government for a moral compass. As a Catholic, that makes sense.

 

[seekerz]

God forbid we should let our Faith interfere with our politics…

Faith should definitely influence politics, it should just not be used for political purposes. There’s a distinct difference. When someone claims to be speaking for God and then implies that a very spiritual politician’s life is in danger, some deranged individual may be inclined to believe God is giving an order to do something about it…if you know what I mean.

 

[no2masters4life]

Gilliam, we’re getting off base a bit. Let me clarify where I stand.

A.

1, Catholics recite prayers in public every time we go to mass. Praying in public was taught by Jesus, not to mention our tradition of the Divine Office, so I don’t understand bashing it.
I’m tackling that one as MATT 6, 5-6:

[5] "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
[6] But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Not sure if your saying the Mass is wong and the Divine Office is wrong.

Of course not. I used MATT as a point of clarification to your earlier comment. Glenn Beck says pray with the door open and God says close the door. I do not mean to extend any of this to the greater idea of the Mass.

B,

And rather than bat Gospel quotes back and forth (like where two or more are gathered [say 500,000] together in my name, I am there…) For this isn’t the forum to debate whether Catholics know how to pray or not. Let’s just assume our 2,000 year tradition is correct and we are praying the way our Lord wants us to. If you disagree, please take it to Apologetics.

Let me ask you something. Do you think 500,000 people gathered in the name of the Christian god or the Mormon god? Do you think the deities are the same? Did Christ ever say, “As you are now, so I once was. As I am, so you may become?”, and then promise to make His people like gods, holding dominion over their own earths? What entity ever promised his followers that they could be like God? That entity is on the business end of Mr. Beck’s prayers. It isn’t on mine.

C.

Anyway, no one is saying, “hey look how holy I am” which, I think Jesus was talking about. Beck certainly wasn’t saying that. At least I didn’t hear it. He came across as a seeker, not a spiritual leader.

I suggest that he could be saying that. “Look at me, kids! See how holy I am?” Why else would you pray with the door open if not to be seen doing it?

E.

A side note for you to consider if you are, in fact, going after the Divine Office, even hermits in the Roman Catholic tradition say the Divine Office either communally or at the same time their community does. The prayer is a common prayer. But that is better discussed in Apologetics.

I’m not going after the Divine Office.

F.

That Beck was an alcoholic and found solace in the LDS chuch is a failure of his local parish, not of Beck, IMHO, so I don’t see bashing him for that either.

1. Mr. Beck would be the first to disagree with you that individual salvation depends on collective salvation. His parish did not fail him. He made a decision to follow Mormonism as an individual, and made an individual commitment to practice the spiritual principles of AA in all of his affairs.

I think others have already addressed the fact that he probably was not a practicing Catholic at the time and was raised in another religion. So this is mute.

Maybe not. I’d like to see Beck talk about Catholicism in his own words.

G.

As for whether we should not trust Beck because he is Mormon. I am not going to him for spiritual direction. But if he wants to get America to start thinking about God more, and try to return to Natural Law. I’ll support that.

Personally, I don’t know how much Beck knows about what he is trying to do at this point. What today proved is that there seems to be a need out there for something. What I heard from Beck today is that we should turn to God, not him, not Palin, not Obama, not the government for a moral compass. As a Catholic, that makes sense.

I’ve raised my issues with Beck on this thread precisely because the God he wants us to start thinking about may not be the same one we pray to. I also have issues with Palin for leaving the Church to pursue her own brand of Christianity, but that’s another issue.

Anyway, thanks for the debate. I’m off this thread now.

 

[Sonic]

1, Catholics recite prayers in public every time we go to mass. Praying in public was taught by Jesus, not to mention our tradition of the Divine Office, so I don’t understand bashing it.
I’m tackling that one as MATT 6, 5-6:

[5] "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
[6] But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

I think it’s easy to clarify this quote. The key is the word hypocrite. Think about what a hypocrite does. He says to do one thing and does another. He says to believe one thing, but believes another. A hypocrite would say the prayer, but not mean or desire what he prays. Instead, the hypocrites, mentioned by Jesus, prefer the semblance of holiness, as opposed to actually being holy and actually praying.

The room can be an actual room and it can symbolically represent the desire in our hearts. We do not need to appear holy to prove we are holy or to prove the desires of our prayers. The Father knows our intentions, and we don’t need to do anything to prove to believers and nonbelievers that our prayers intentions are true (through a facade of holiness).

 

[sneakers]

Do you know who paid for the bus?

Our Armstrong/Indiana Patriots group advertised that we were going, and put it on the radio and in the newspaper. Anybody that wanted to go could go. ** Courtesy of a local nursery owner. ** My husband and I couldn’t go because the last bus filled up. Turned out we couldn’t go anyway. However, I did watch a lot of it on Ustream. Oh, and before you ask - yes, we were prepared to pay for the bus trip if another bus came available. These are all good small-town people - not a rent-a-mob like the SEIU and ACORN types.

Why would anybody denigrate or mock like-minded Americans gathering to pray for their country and celebrating it’s great gifts? I heard no hate speech. I heard no bigotry or racism. I know many of the people who went on the trip. They are good hard-working individuals who love their God and their country. Many were retirees and veterans. They are not racists. They just want to be left alone by their government to live their lives. If they are ‘protesting’ anything, it is government intrusion. They want government to remember it’s place - as a servant of the people - not as a ruler or taskmaster.

Geez, some people have to find something bad in every good endeavor.

 

[Marie5890]

Our Armstrong/Indiana Patriots group advertised that we were going, and put it on the radio and in the newspaper. Anybody that wanted to go could go. ** Courtesy of a local nursery owner. ** My husband and I couldn’t go because the last bus filled up. Turned out we couldn’t go anyway. However, I did watch a lot of it on Ustream. Oh, and before you ask - yes, we were prepared to pay for the bus trip if another bus came available. These are all good small-town people - not a rent-a-mob like the SEIU and ACORN types.

Why would anybody denigrate or mock like-minded Americans gathering to pray for their country and celebrating it’s great gifts? I heard no hate speech. I heard no bigotry or racism. I know many of the people who went on the trip. They are good hard-working individuals who love their God and their country. Many were retirees and veterans. They are not racists. They just want to be left alone by their government to live their lives. If they are ‘protesting’ anything, it is government intrusion. They want government to remember it’s place - as a servant of the people - not as a ruler or taskmaster.

Geez, some people have to find something bad in every good endeavor.

Good Morning Sneakers!!!

I find myself curious since you do know people who went. Do you know if they had any expectation of the rally? Did they expect it to be more a push back of the big government intrusion?

Would they have been surprised by the religious tone of it?

Just looking for some feedback from people who actually went …or in your case knowing people who went.

Thanks

 

[estesbob]

Faith should definitely influence politics, it should just not be used for political purposes. There’s a distinct difference. When someone claims to be speaking for God and then implies that a very spiritual politician’s life is in danger, some deranged individual may be inclined to believe God is giving an order to do something about it…if you know what I mean.

I don’t have any idea whatsoever what you mean.

 

[sneakers]

Good Morning Sneakers!!!

I find myself curious since you do know people who went. Do you know if they had any expectation of the rally? Did they expect it to be more a push back of the big government intrusion?

Would they have been surprised by the religious tone of it?

Just looking for some feedback from people who actually went …or in your case knowing people who went.

Thanks

Good Morning Sneakers!!!

I find myself curious since you do know people who went. Do you know if they had any expectation of the rally? Did they expect it to be more a push back of the big government intrusion?

Would they have been surprised by the religious tone of it?

Just looking for some feedback from people who actually went …or in your case knowing people who went.

Thanks

I’ll talk to my friend and co-worker tomorrow She and two of our friends went. We talked about it. We both expected something that was somewhat religion-oriented because the whole focus is that our country has turned it’s back on God. We talked about the Founding Fathers and their view that all of our rights were descended from God and God alone, And we discussed how our legislators seem to forget that they are not God. They have no right to dictate but to listen. They are supposed to be one of us who we send to DC to represent us. We both agreed that that is what the focus of the rally would probably be. That said, I can’t wait to talk to her, and a few others who went, to see what their impressions were. I’ll get a better sense at our next Ind/Arm patriots meeting. In watching on UStream, there was more religious fervor than I expected. I was not particularly bothered by it. I missed a good chunk of it because we had other plans. I

I’ll post my friends impressions when I talk to them.

sneaks