Beck: Help us restore traditional American values

[seekerz]

When did we stop being a people who looked for the good in others and start looking for reasons to find fault with them?

I think that’s a big problem in this country.

Hi. Great to be back. I see you guys kept things ticking right along…

You make a very important point Catherine, it seems easier to look for reasons to find fault with someone rather than look for the good. That particular nugget needs to be applied not just to Beck, but to all the people we ‘love to hate’. It wouldn’t hurt if Beck showed us how either…

 

[ishii]

My post in italics, CMatt’s in blue, my answer in bold.
Last I checked, I am unable to “force” my beliefs onto anyone else.*

Correct. If you live a democracy of plural beliefs on this issue, this is why it is as you last checked.

**No, you are being disingenuous here. I was saying you are incorrect in saying that I am trying to force my beliefs on you when all I’m trying to do is convince you to be pro-life instead of pro-choice. **

In bringing up infanticide for example, I am not trying to say that you favor such a practice

Good because I clearly don’t.

**You say you are against infanticide, but you campaigned for Obama who clearly supports infanticide in the form of partial birth abortion. **

In a democracy of plural beliefs, we still have laws against infanticide, child abuse, etc. even though there are those who would like to engage in those things. Oh, but that’s different you say, because the unborn is a “gray area”. Gray for you maybe

No not all that gray for me. I have espoused safe rather than in the backalleys but rare. Rare for instance by putting those programs in place to aid mothers after childbirth, financially and so on. I’m pretty certain you reject this as well but do you remember “It Takes a Village”? And Julianna espouses adoption. Another way to encourage rare.

Do you also favor safe, but rare infanticide?

I would like you to answer this question above all: Who is right? Is the Catholic Church right? Or are Barbara Boxer, Pelosi, and Obama right? They can’t both be right. Which side are you on?

Right on what occurs at the moment of conception? Probably the Church in my belief and reasoning. Right in not forcing everyone in the land to believe and reason as the Church does as to the moment of conception? Leaning towards the others you mentioned. Which side I’m on depends on whether you are talking about what occurs at the moment of conception or whether I have the right to force my belief and reasoning on this issue onto everyone.

In other words, you don’t take the Catholic teaching on this issue seriously. If racism and murder were legal, would you not want to "force everyonen in the land to believe and reason as the Church does?"

Sorry you don’t like my reasoning but as with Suudi, we’re going around in circles so I will not be responding to you nor anyone else on this thread on this matter further.

" I am not answering these questions! I am not answering these questions." You’re pulling a Barbara Boxer here. Boxer didn’t want to answer tough questions about abortion, neither do you. Even though you say you’re done responding, perhaps another pro-choice catholic will read this and learn something. You might too.

And even though you have said there is no peace, I still pray you find it. May peace be with you. God bless.

**Don’t pray for me, pray for those who insist on continuing the barbaric practice of legal abortion and the blind catholics who follow them, that they will see the light. If you are at peace with thousands being aborted every year, then something is wrong with you. **

Ishii

 

[agnes_therese]

If you don’t feel it’s any big deal, that’s your right. I think it’s MY right to be disappointed in someone who lies, without being personally attacked myself.

You didnt have to say it.

He was talking about holding a document, the document was in a case, someone said “You can’t hold the document.”. And all of the sudden people are screaming, “Look at Beck, he talks about values and lies about holding a document. We can’t trust him.”

Like a bunch of lemmings they fall in line and slam the one guy trying to preach something good to the world. Many are doing it, and their words show it, just because he is of a different faith. Others do it, just because they do not like his politics.

 

[agnes_therese]

Yes it is. On ALL sides of the political spectrum.

When did we stop being a people who looked for the good in others and start looking for reasons to find fault with them?

I think that’s a big problem in this country.

 

[Darryl1958]

If you don’t feel it’s any big deal, that’s your right. I think it’s MY right to be disappointed in someone who lies, without being personally attacked myself.

Disappointed,… or triumphant?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You’re pulling a Barbara Boxer here. Boxer didn’t want to answer tough questions about abortion, neither do you. Even though you say you’re done responding, perhaps another pro-choice catholic will read this and learn something. You might too.
Ishii

That cuts both ways. Even Catholics who hold a conservative position on this and other matters might learn something by listening to the other side. This is not to say that one needs to or even should change one’s beliefs, just that trying to understand others might be of benefit to all.

 

[agnes_therese]

Disappointed,… or triumphant?

I’m sorry, is there a particular part of the word “disappointed” that you don’t understand? Or are you claiming that you know more about what I think than I do?
If there’s a third option, I don’t see it.

 

[agnes_therese]

That cuts both ways. Even Catholics who hold a conservative position on this and other matters might learn something by listening to the other side. This is not to say that one needs to or even should change one’s beliefs, just that trying to understand others might be of benefit to all.

And not demonizing people for their positions might be nice, too. Some people have been so thoroughly saturated by this society, that they truly don’t know any better. That doesn’t mean they are being deliberately evil.

 

[Darryl1958]

I’m sorry, is there a particular part of the word “disappointed” that you don’t understand? Or are you claiming that you know more about what I think than I do?
If there’s a third option, I don’t see it.

Just asking a simple question, that’s all.

I wonder if Olbermann was feeling disappointed too with his …

GOTCHA!!

…

 

[bbarrick8383]

If you don’t feel it’s any big deal, that’s your right. I think it’s MY right to be disappointed in someone who lies, without being personally attacked myself.

Well, I just hope you go after anyone and everyone the same way, put them under the same microscope that you have Beck.

Be prepared for a long life of disappointment.

And for those interested, found this preview of a movie coming out. Looks interesting.

youtube.com/watch?v=4wty7974IKg&feature=player_embedded

 

[Catherine_D]

And not demonizing people for their positions might be nice, too. Some people have been so thoroughly saturated by this society, that they truly don’t know any better. That doesn’t mean they are being deliberately evil.

One of the ways that this country has gone wrong is in demonizing opponents.

In the past, one could have differences with another over some policy or situation, yet still believe your opponent was acting in good faith, based on something they believed. One might believe the opponent to be wrong in their opinion, but no one believed they were evil or stupid or any other pejorative.

Fast forward to today, where opponents are not considered to be acting in good faith, where differences are assumed to be the result of an opponent either being stupid or evil.

We can’t fix this country until we fix that.

 

[Julianna]

Please show me where I said I’m better than anybody – I just can’t find that post!

And I didn’t dig. Sorry you don’t like the facts.

I didn’t read that either, agnes. Beck is not the hill I want to die on. Mixing politics and religion is bad mojo, period. Saying anything against Beck to the extreme right seems to be an insult.

 

[bbarrick8383]

I didn’t read that either, agnes. Beck is not the hill I want to die on. Mixing politics and religion is bad mojo, period. Saying anything against Beck to the extreme right seems to be an insult.

Well, I’m not extreme right nor a Beck fan. He’s just not my style.

But I’m not going to knock the guy for the great things he is trying to do either.

 

[agnes_therese]

Still not seeing where you “got me” on anything.

Just asking a simple question, that’s all.

I wonder if Olbermann was feeling disappointed too with his …

GOTCHA!!

…

 

[bbarrick8383]

Still not seeing where you “got me” on anything.

I think what he’s trying to say is Keith Olbermann felt it was a “gotcha” moment on Beck and was obviously more than happy to report it since he is the liberals liberal reporter. Which is what Ed Schultz did as well, which kinds of leads back to what I was saying. If you are looking for a reason to be disappointed in anyone you probably wont have to look too far. In this case, it wasn’t that big of a deal. The document he was referring to, is obviously not held by anyone, but it was right there in front of him. Which, he even admitted on his show is what he should have said. But, he felt like he was going to have to explain the process of getting to view the document and felt like that would have been a moment that would have put people to sleep. In the heat of the moment he said he held it, and he shouldn’t have.

I’m obviously paraphrasing, I’m not telling you exactly what Beck said. But more or less what I got from his show, mixed with my own personal thoughts.

Hope you aren’t disappointed in me as well.

 

[gnjsdad]

Beck is not the hill I want to die on.

Absolutely not.

Further up this thread I posted a picture of Beck with the Rev John Hagee seated prominently behind him. Now, Rev Hagee isn’t exactly a fan of the Catholic Church. Nevertheless, we Catholics are always being urged to get behind efforts such as the Beck project.

What’s wrong with being ecumenical?..we’re asked.

*As long as Beck is promoting values we can more or less agree on, why not get behind what he’s doing? What’s the harm?..*we’re told

Because the Catholics ALWAYS seem to get the short end of the stick in these things. The agenda Beck promotes is not always in line with the Magesterium, especially in economic and foreign affairs.

 

[ishii]

That cuts both ways. Even Catholics who hold a conservative position on this and other matters might learn something by listening to the other side. This is not to say that one needs to or even should change one’s beliefs, just that trying to understand others might be of benefit to all.

A “conservative position”? Its not the conservative position so much as it is Catholic Church teaching. The unborn have a right to life from conception to natural death - that is the Catholic position. There are a few posters on this forum who flout that teaching by supporting candidates like Obama and Boxer who it could be said, support infanticide by voting for partial birth abortion. What I have learned from “listening to the other side” is that pro-choice catholics get very wobbly when you push them to explain their stand on the issue of abortion, just as Boxer did when she said, “I am not answering these questions”. The truth is, she ***couldn’***t answer the questions. Neither can pro-choice catholics on this forum.

Ishii

 

[bbarrick8383]

Absolutely not.

Further up this thread I posted a picture of Beck with the Rev John Hagee seated prominently behind him. Now, Rev Hagee isn’t exactly a fan of the Catholic Church. Nevertheless, we Catholics are always being urged to get behind efforts such as the Beck project.

What’s wrong with being ecumenical?..we’re asked.

*As long as Beck is promoting values we can more or less agree on, why not get behind what he’s doing? What’s the harm?..*we’re told

Because the Catholics ALWAYS seem to get the short end of the stick in these things. The agenda Beck promotes is not always in line with the Magesterium, especially in economic and foreign affairs.

Oh please,

There are nearly 25 times as many Catholics in this country as there are mormons. Mormons are an even stranger bunch to protestants than Catholics are and Catholics are the only ones whining about it. Give me a break and man up, this poor me attitude is just embarrasing to the one true faith. It’s everything that’s wrong with this country, there are millions of people that spend too much time crying about what they don’t have instead of living and being greatful for what they do have.

So what, one guy that doesn’t like the Catholic church shows up and liberal Catholics are going to run away?

It sounds to me like a woman who decided to become a lesbian because she had a bad experience with a man.

 

[ishii]

The agenda Beck promotes is not always in line with the Magesterium, especially in economic and foreign affairs.

Specifics?

 

[agnes_therese]

No, not disappointed in you. Just trying to figure out why I’ve been attacked (not by you) for someone else’s lie.
But I do disagree with you about it not being a big deal – if you’re going to put yourself out there as “restoring values,” honesty has to be important. He wouldn’t have had to explain the whole process, just say what he felt upon seeing (not holding) the document.
I know some devoted fans of his that are upset about it, so it’s not just some liberal conspiracy or anything.

I think what he’s trying to say is Keith Olbermann felt it was a “gotcha” moment on Beck and was obviously more than happy to report it since he is the liberals liberal reporter. Which is what Ed Schultz did as well, which kinds of leads back to what I was saying. If you are looking for a reason to be disappointed in anyone you probably wont have to look too far. In this case, it wasn’t that big of a deal. The document he was referring to, is obviously not held by anyone, but it was right there in front of him. Which, he even admitted on his show is what he should have said. But, he felt like he was going to have to explain the process of getting to view the document and felt like that would have been a moment that would have put people to sleep. In the heat of the moment he said he held it, and he shouldn’t have.

I’m obviously paraphrasing, I’m not telling you exactly what Beck said. But more or less what I got from his show, mixed with my own personal thoughts.

Hope you aren’t disappointed in me as well.