I’d have a hard time putting my life on the line for something that was unjustified. People have forgotten that this country was founded with the idea in mind that people are different, and folks with a like minded beliefs could band togethor in different parts of the country and vote with their feet if they wished. We are not designed as humans to be under the umbrella of one ruling government. Centuries of war have proven this.
I agree, but I don’t think we’ve truly forgotten this. In some ways - education, drug laws, etc. - perhaps we have, but for the most part we’ve still got a very workable federal system where individual states really do have a great deal of authority in how they run things. And I agree that that’s how it should be. I agree with Catholic social teaching on subsidiarity, of course.
Watch your language my friend. It is not idiotic, the state created the government and the state should have power over the government. Secession can be a tool for peace.
I maintain the substance of what I said. If there was ever any doubt as to secession’s legality, the Civil War answered that question irrevocably.
Yes it could. There are many in vermon who would like to secede and become their own socialist state. I’m pretty sure those in Vermont would like to do so peacefully, they would not stand a chance arming themselves. As would Oklahoma, but Oklahoma and Texas and a few other states combined very well do.
How can secession be a tool for peace? No one would take a state that declared secession seriously. No one would attack them, of course, but the rest of the country would not honor such a claim. The U.S. postal service would still operate there, they’d still have to pay taxes to the federal government, they’d still have to use U.S. currency instead of minting their own. The only way they could get around these would be if
they got violent - and as you pointed out, these folks in Vermont obviously wouldn’t want to do that. Secession isn’t just illegal today; it’s also completely impractical.
Glad you are the judge of what the bottom line is. I was beginning to think we were different people with different lifestyles and opinions. I guess I just needed someone to tell me how to think.
I did express my viewpoint with great vehemence, that’s true. But I have certainly not intended to make myself the arbiter of what the bottom line is - I’m not the “judge” here, because secession isn’t on trial. It’s already lost - legally and historically. I was just pointing that out.
And I don’t disagree with you entirely. I absolutely agree with you on some things in your list of abuses - like the PATRIOT Act. But your listing of certain others - printing paper money, that was on your list, right? - are just plain over-the-top.
And those policies would be? Because I think Good News would fight tooth and nail to disagree with you.
Then I stand corrected. We really do all have at least slightly different positions.
My original point, however, stands. Truly successful secession without bloodshed is a pipe dream. But bloodshed is only justifiable - and I fully admit here that this is my opinion, so of course others can disagree - if we’re currently under the kind of tyranny that the Declaration of Independence describes: a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same end: to reduce us under absolute despotism (I’ve paraphrased, of course).
If Texas or Vermont attempted to secede in the near future, their reasons would certainly constitute “light and transient causes.”
I feel very strongly about seperating myself from a downward spiraling society that accepts killing it’s children as the norm.
I feel strongly about it, too, but to break off from the United States would be to give up on the unborn children in New England, on the west coast, etc. As technology improves it becomes easier and easier to show everyone the humanity of the unborn, and hearts and minds have gotten better since the early 1970s. You no longer see vile bumper stickers like, “If men could get pregnant abortion would be a Sacrament,” and abortion rates have steadily but slowly declined since Roe vs. Wade. Now the pro-abortion side’s slogans dare not even speak of abortion except through euphemisms. Reason, charity, and justice are on our side - money is the only thing on theirs. I don’t think secession is the answer.
And to
everyone in this discussion: please for the love of all that is good and holy, it’s
secession and
secede, not “succession” and “succeed.”
That is evil, that is sinful beyond comprehension.
