Beck: Help us restore traditional American values

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I hope you are talking about the felonies committed by the Bush administration.
Thanks for proving my point: the criminalization of politics will be a constant downward spiral that will continue to destroy the ability of Americans to work together.

I don’t think other countries engage in this foolishness.
 
I hardly envy the rich. I don’t want it to be harder for me to get to heaven than it is for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle. I only want the rich to pay higher rates than under Dubya when ya’ll are crying deficits for example. Tha’s all. God bless you and peace.
Being rich does not make one evil, it’s what they do with their riches that makes them evil. Wealthy people who want the government to look after the poor in the same way that the rich man did not himself want anything to do with Lazarus are the ones who was spoken of as being hard to get to heaven.

Wealthy people that lift Lazarus up themselves, give him work, which in turn allows him to feed and cloth himself. They not only can help Lazarus, but 100’s or 1000’s of Lazarus’s up from their doorstep to live a better life.

Being rich does not make it harder to get to heaven, being rich and not doing the right thing makes it harder to get to heaven. Being rich and voting for the government to take care of the poor is not the right thing to do.

I would love to be the billionaire that employs hundreds of people and give it all away before I die. But I’m also happy being poor my whole life and not taking a dime that wasnt mine to begin with.
 
I hardly envy the rich. I don’t want it to be harder for me to get to heaven than it is for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle. I only want the rich to pay higher rates than under Dubya when ya’ll are crying deficits for example. Tha’s all. God bless you and peace.
I want everyone who earns income to pay their fair share of taxes. Class warfare is envy, regardless of how righteous you try to make yourself sound.
 
I’m jumping around this thread and I am not caught up. I could not help but notice this argument. " If the Dems had not abdicated their responsibilities this wouldn’t be necessary"
I hope you are talking about the felonies committed by the Bush administration. I do feel Eric Holder is lax in investigating Dick Cheney and his cabal. Germany wanted to prosecute Rumsfeld and Obama stepped in. We have broken our signed treadty with the UN. No investigation. Warrantless wiretapping, voter caging ( which is alive and well in Wisconsin) and the list goes on. Esstesbob, You are right.
Are we singing out of the same hymnal?
I have no doubt that the justice department investigated all this and more when Holder took office. Having found there was no there there they quietly dropped it.
 
:rolleyes: No kidding. In dollars. But not in how it affects one’s life! A millionaire can pay a much higher tax rate, still afford all the fine luxuries of his or her life. And still have money to put aside. Look at Meg Whitman and all the personal dough she is spending on her campaign against Jerry Brown for Gov of CA. An insane amt. An all time record in personal spending to get oneself elected. But a lower income person paying the same flat tax rate might have difficulty just affording private healthcare insurance. And there are Republicans who don’t want to give the middle class tax cuts unless the Warren Buffets and Meg Whitmans of the world get theirs. I find this absolutely sickening. Some common sense must return to our politics

politics.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/09/16/californias-meg-whitman-breaks-campaign-spending-records.html.
So you support Communism and Socialism.
 
The larger question is since when does an income of $250,000 make one rich?
Since early 2008 when Barrack Obama secured the Democratic nomination for the Presidency. That number at various points was dwindled down to $120,000, but seems to have climed back to its comfortable perch of $250k
 
The larger question is since when does an income of $250,000 make one rich?
It’s five times the median income. Why is it problematic to say five times median is “rich?” It isn’t as if “rich” is a bad thing. So far as I’m aware, there isn’t any proposed legislative definition for “rich.” Would you prefer “upper income?”
 
It’s five times the median income. Why is it problematic to say five times median is “rich?” It isn’t as if “rich” is a bad thing. So far as I’m aware, there isn’t any proposed legislative definition for “rich.” Would you prefer “upper income?”
What I would prefer is the Democrats drop their talking point about the Republicans wanting to keep tax breaks for millionaires and billionaireswhen what we are actually talking about taxing people who are solidly middle-class
 
What I would prefer is the Democrats drop their talking point about the Republicans wanting to keep tax breaks for millionaires and billionaireswhen what we are actually talking about taxing people who are solidly middle-class
$250,000 isn’t “solidly middle class.”

In fact, $120,000 isn’t “solidly middle class.” It’s more than double the median.

“Middle class,” if we were going to take the time to define it in terms of income, would have something to do, I would think, with income about the middle of the curve. That would be, in America, $50,000. People who make double, triple, or five times the median aren’t in the middle.

Why are you guys so hung up on this?
 
$250,000 isn’t “solidly middle class.”

In fact, $120,000 isn’t “solidly middle class.” It’s more than double the median.

“Middle class,” if we were going to take the time to define it in terms of income, would have something to do, I would think, with income about the middle of the curve. That would be, in America, $50,000. People who make double, triple, or five times the median aren’t in the middle.

Why are you guys so hung up on this?
Because its my money. I earn it.
 
Because its my money. I earn it.
So? I earn my money too.

There a Ukranian guy who comes into my office and cleans every night. Delightful person: bad English, unskilled, going nowhere economically. I don’t know what he makes, but it surely can’t be more than $25,000. He works for his money, and I need him to dump my wastebasket and vacuum my floor, because I’m sure not going to do it.

My lifestyle is so far removed from what his must be, it’s as if we don’t live in the same country.

I’m not going to suggest that he pay taxes at the same rate I do. He can probably barely make his rent. Why would I ask that?
 
So? I earn my money too.

There a Ukranian guy who comes into my office and cleans every night. Delightful person: bad English, unskilled, going nowhere economically. I don’t know what he makes, but it surely can’t be more than $25,000. He works for his money, and I need him to dump my wastebasket and vacuum my floor, because I’m sure not going to do it.

My lifestyle is so far removed from what his must be, it’s as if we don’t live in the same country.

I’m not going to suggest that he pay taxes at the same rate I do. He can probably barely make his rent. Why would I ask that?
Is he a consumer of tax benefits? Probably more so than you are. So why shouldn’t he pay fairly into a system he uses more of than you or I do? Lest we forget, a significant chunk of that population that earns the magical “rich” level of $250,000 are small business owners who are no incorporated, meaning they pay their business taxes at the personal withholding rate. If they have to pay more taxes, then that is less that they have to invest in expanding their business, buying equipment, and hiring employees.

ANd if you want to pay more in taxes, GREAT! I say we establish a minimum tax rate for everyone who earns income, and then if you want to pay more, then it is completely voluntary! Just send a check to Uncle Sam with a note that says “Please take this money and use as you deem appropriate.”
 
Why do people ALWAYS bring this up. It is absolutely irrelevant!
Irrelevant? How so? The primary motivator for people wanting the government to snatch up a larger percentage of income of people who make more is rooted in class/income envy.
 
Irrelevant? How so? The primary motivator for people wanting the government to snatch up a larger percentage of income of people who make more is rooted in class/income envy.
Do you have any evidence for this? Why do you judge people and assume that they have ignoble motives without addressing the substance of their arguments?
 
Being rich and voting for the government to take care of the poor is not the right thing to do.
I’m certain you meant to say voting for a role of government to play. And who says that is not the right thing to do? The priest at my local parish who says his answer to the poor is to get a job? Or Jesus who had additional answers besides that one? Jesus never said leave it all to the free enterprise private sector. He also never said governement could not play a role.
 
I’m certain you meant to say voting for a role of government to play. And who says that is not the right thing to do? The priest at my local parish who says his answer to the poor is to get a job? Or Jesus who had additional answers besides that one? Jesus never said leave it all to the free enterprise private sector. He also never said governement could not play a role.
He never said that government should or must play a role either. One would think that if it was a mandatory function of state to take care of the poor, Christ would have let us know. Rather, he told us that it was our personal responsibility to care for the poor…
 
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