Being against same-sex marriage, assumed to be hateful

[Nacho45]

You can’t counter. It’s their marching mantra. The ignorant masses have been duped and that’s all there is to it.

I wanted to add something. Not all homosexuals are militant and some are smart enough to understand all of the hoopla is nothing more than media attention to push an agenda of acceptance and normalization. My brother is homosexual and is against homosexual marriage. He tells me civil unions are the same thing without changing marriage on the whole. He also says he thinks all of the stuff going on in the homosexual community is vulgar and despicable. If he, a homosexual, can see and understand this, the rest have no excuse.

But rest assured, you are not the only one harassed. When he voices his opinion, they attack him as well and call him a self-hater. A perfect display of the intolerance of the tolerant (which isn’t limited to homosexuality).

 

[marymary1975]

Nobody objects to someone practicing their own beliefs. If you don’t believe in SSM, then don’t do it.

I would not go as far as calling your aversion to it as being hateful. Not at all. However, there might be an issue of hypocrisy, if you believe that you are entitled to live your life according to your own beliefs, while at the same time proscribing the right of others to live the way that they choose to live.

Hypocrisy? So.according to your view if I think that the kid in Nebraska who shoot people with a gun at his school is wrong that means I am a hipocrit?

The argument of if you don’t believe.in.x.don’t.do it.is the.most ridiculous argument I have heard in my life. Then if you don’t believe in rape, just don’t do it and let others who like to rape do it, if you don’t believe in slavery then don’t own.a.slave, if you don’t agree with guns just don’t buy one, if you don’t believe in theft then don’t do it. In all case the only hope Rita are the ones who claim let others live the way they want but when they see a school.shooting go and scream.let’s ban all guns.

 

[marymary1975]

How do you counter? Very easily, if you think.that pointing out that certain action is wrong is the equivalent as being hateful, then you should be a very hateful person yourself. After all.every thief judges by his condition.

Truth is, people.who makes that argument is because they want to do whatever they want without anyone saying that what they are doing is wrong. This is not about freedom this isabout I do whatever I want and I don’t care about anyone or anything else mentality in society, call it homosexuality, abortion, sexual promiscuity, drugs, etc. Same.mentality.

 

[marymary1975]

Starrsmother just wanted to encourage you to keep on praying for your daughter. St Monica took about twenty years praying for st Augustine convertion and st Rita also took many years praying for her sons and they were answered. God doesn’t leave the prayers coming from the heart of a.sincere mother unanswered so keep praying for her conversation and congrats for taking the right stand.

 

[CrossBro]

We state that we detest sin because it offends God, so I hope they see it as both hateful and loathing. It does not matter what they think, they are not going to be the one’s judging me, it only matters what God thinks.

Peace.

 

[manualman]

Why shouldn’t there be a law against marriages for Jews, Muslims or atheists. It was their choice not to follow Christianity?

Because Judaism, Islam and atheism don’t inherently contradict what marriage IS.

The problem here is one of definitions. Our culture has degraded to the point where marriage is defined as little more than a public celebration and institutionalization of feelings two people have for one another. That’s shallow and pathetic shadow of what even the secular definition of marriage once was: the commitment of two people to give themselves to one another in a lifelong relationship that is by its nature ordered towards creating new life and raising the next generation of healthy, happy and well-adjusted citizens.

Any dope can see that two dudes simply don’t qualify for such a relationship! Their relationship BY NATURE is something different. Even if they truly love one another profoundly, that love simply isn’t the same as that in marriage because it is sterile by nature, not by incidental circumstance. A post-menopause woman doesn’t stop being a woman. A woman who had a hysterectomy doesn’t stop being a woman. A man is still a man even if his sperm count falls to zero… But two men are by nature sterile in their relationship.

Our culture is so ready to accept “gay marriage” only because it has so profoundly failed to understand and embrace what real marriage really is.

 

[JimG]

I totally used to think that way. I used to wonder what business people had telling other people what they should and shouldn’t do. I have also been very impressed with a lot of LGBT people I’ve met.

 What got me thinking, though, was two pretty amazing things that happened after the sexual revolution:  The divorce rate in the U.S. went from about 10% to about 50%, and the rate of kids born to unwed parents went from 4% to 40%.  We all share this society, and the preceding changes in our culture have major impacts on us, from our education system to our criminal justice system to where our tax money needs to go (single mothers are, necessarily, the fastest-growing group of welfare recipients in our country).  

 People who initiated the sexual revolution and participated in it weren't trying to deal a damaging blow to American society; they just wanted sexual "freedom".  As crazy as it might sound, I think sex really IS for making babies and making families, and our attempts to divorce sex from that purpose and make it serve our own purposes have caused pain.  I also think the word "freedom" has recently begun to be applied to a lot of things.  Some of those things might really be freedoms; some of them might be behavioral choices that, although in response to genuine feelings and inclinations, require some serious examination- just food for thought.

The documentation in this book supports your view.

 

[JimG]

Is it hateful to point out that triangles can never be rectangles? Is that discriminatory against rectangles? The fact of the matter is that a rectangular triangle is an impossibility, as is same sex marriage.

Marriage is a union of man and woman capable of having marital relations. That’s why the reproductive systems of man and woman are complementary. It’s a basic fact of anatomy and biology. The difference makes conjugal relations possible. Conjugal relations are not possible to same sex couples, nor is marriage. It’s just an impossibility.

 

[SuperLuigi]

These could all be considered very good reasons why we should support marriage for everyone.

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No, it’s not.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Let’s say I have 2 guys next door living together. If they go away for vacation, I have no problem taking in their mail, watering their flowers, looking out for the place. If one is in the hospital, I would cook some food, shovel some snow, feed their cat if they like. I understand how to be a good neighbor, however, I can still hold the idea that 2 men should not change the definition of marriage to suit themselves.

There would be way less bullying if people followed what scripture teaches, to love your neighbor and to do good for them.

I hope a gay couple next door would extend the same courtesies that I’ve listed above, even if they knew I was a practicing Catholic.

It’s Catholics who say that premarital sex is wrong and yet they are on the front lines in providing care to unwed mothers, and uphold their dignity and the dignity of the child they are carrying. It’s Christians standing on the sidewalks outside the abortuaries offering help to young women. Where are the pro-choicers? They aren’t actually pro-choice, are they?

Bullies are a whole different can of worms. Society currently is trying to make Christians the target of bullying now with their accusations and hateful labels. Same behavior, new target.

Both the pro-choice and gay rights movements in the Western democracies have the top priority of electing liberal politicians so that they and their buddies can live off the taxpayer.

Of course, they’ll throw a few crumbs from the king’s table to just shut people up. Sure has worked with Muslims, Orthodox Jews minority Christians and Midwest farmers who sure showed us their morality on the first Tuesday of November 2012 in your southern neighbor.

That is the endgame this hippie/millennial/collegiate idealism.

These people are being used. Pure, plain and simple.

 

[Roscoe_Turner]

How can I counter this? I am a little sick of being assumed to be hateful because I believe in traditional values. Oh, and this person tells me he is a Christian but he doesn’t respect my faith that tells me I cannot, in good conscience, support same-sex marriage.

Help please, where am I going wrong?!?

Tell them correct term is bigoted.

adjective
1.
having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one’s own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

You believe what you believe

 

[Starrsmother]

Hypocrisy? So.according to your view if I think that the kid in Nebraska who shoot people with a gun at his school is wrong that means I am a hipocrit?

The argument of if you don’t believe.in.x.don’t.do it.is the.most ridiculous argument I have heard in my life. Then if you don’t believe in rape, just don’t do it and let others who like to rape do it, if you don’t believe in slavery then don’t own.a.slave, if you don’t agree with guns just don’t buy one, if you don’t believe in theft then don’t do it. In all case the only hope Rita are the ones who claim let others live the way they want but when they see a school.shooting go and scream.let’s ban all guns.

The only point I’d disagree with you on is the part about guns–that IS exactly how I feel about guns. If you don’t like guns, don’t buy one. My family hunts so we own several!

 

[Roscoe_Turner]

Hypocrisy? So.according to your view if I think that the kid in Nebraska who shoot people with a gun at his school is wrong that means I am a hipocrit?

The argument of if you don’t believe.in.x.don’t.do it.is the.most ridiculous argument I have heard in my life. Then if you don’t believe in rape, just don’t do it and let others who like to rape do it, if you don’t believe in slavery then don’t own.a.slave, if you don’t agree with guns just don’t buy one, if you don’t believe in theft then don’t do it. In all case the only hope Rita are the ones who claim let others live the way they want but when they see a school.shooting go and scream.let’s ban all guns.

You do see with the exception of the gun example you are talking about actions that are against another’s will.

Rape, Slavery, and theft all involve an unwilling participant. Gun ownership is a personal choice.

Gay marriage is two willing participants. If homosexuals were shanghai methods to find a spouse your example would be valid but since they are not, your example isn’t really a valid one.

 

[Starrsmother]

You do see with the exception of the gun example you are talking about actions that are against another’s will.

Rape, Slavery, and theft all involve an unwilling participant. Gun ownership is a personal choice.

Gay marriage is two willing participants. If homosexuals were shanghai methods to find a spouse your example would be valid but since they are not, your example isn’t really a valid one.

Okay–I disagree with you 100%–but it seems that secular law has solved the problem for gays. Just don’t try to enforce your belief on the Catholic Church. That’s where your fist touches my nose! Let them elope to San Francisco if they wish–and let Nancy Pelosi preside and Biden can be maid of honor! But again, don’t inflict it --or attempt to–on the church!

 

[Roscoe_Turner]

Okay–I disagree with you 100%–but it seems that secular law has solved the problem for gays. Just don’t try to enforce your belief on the Catholic Church. That’s where your fist touches my nose! Let them elope to San Francisco if they wish–and let Nancy Pelosi preside and Biden can be maid of honor! But again, don’t inflict it --or attempt to–on the church!

It doesn’t matter if you agree with me or not it’s logic. Your analogy is flawed.

I’m not saying you can’t believe what you want to believe or feel the way you feel. Just pointing out the flaws in the syllogism.

 

[CrossBro]

You do see with the exception of the gun example you are talking about actions that are against another’s will.

Rape, Slavery, and theft all involve an unwilling participant. Gun ownership is a personal choice.

Gay marriage is two willing participants. If homosexuals were shanghai methods to find a spouse your example would be valid but since they are not, your example isn’t really a valid one.

But marriage in our religion is a sacrament, in fact the only sacrament that we believe was instituted personally by Jesus.

So we are rightfully offended when you desecrate our sacraments. I guess we were not supposed to be offended either when they made that crucifix with Jesus with women’s breasts either, were we ?

 

[atheistgirl]

But marriage in our religion is a sacrament, in fact the only sacrament that we believe was instituted personally by Jesus.

So we are rightfully offended when you desecrate our sacraments.

Are gay groups demanding that the Catholic Church redefine marriage and marry a gay couple in Church in front of a Priest?

I don’t think so.

I’d be the first on the picket-line supporting the Church if they were.

But I don’t think that’s what’s happening.

Sarah x

 

[CrossBro]

Are gay groups demanding that the Catholic Church redefine marriage and marry a gay couple in Church in front of a Priest?

I don’t think so.

I’d be the first on the picket-line supporting the Church if they were.

But I don’t think that’s what’s happening.

Sarah x

Actually, there are gay groups demanding that they be allowed to be married in just such a manner, one of those groups is called “Dignity Now”.

 

[atheistgirl]

Actually, there are gay groups demanding that they be allowed to be married in just such a manner, one of those groups is called “Dignity Now”.

I can’t seem to find these guys with search.

Are they demanding that the Catholic Church marry gay couples in Church in a sacramental Catholic marriage?

Sarah x

 

[CrossBro]

I can’t seem to find these guys with search.

Are they demanding that the Catholic Church marry gay couples in Church in a sacramental Catholic marriage?

Sarah x

I am sorry, the actual name of the group is “Dignity USA”.