China, Africa and Muslim countries do not, as a matter of government policy, kill or send to prison for decades, people who are Christians just because they are Christians.
Don’t.you know.China.is.communist, do I have to actually give you a.link so.you can learn.what communism.is? Just look.at Wikipedia, China’s “PEOPLE`s Republic of China”China, Africa and Muslim countries do not, as a matter of government policy, kill or send to prison for decades, people who are Christians just because they are Christians.
Can you please link to official government documents from any of these countries you claim, that would prove your point that just because someone is a Christian, no other reason, they will be automatically sent to prison or be sentenced to death?
Sarah x
I don’t know where you’re getting your information from, or if you just don’t know what you’re talking about, but there is no such conditions in any IMF agreement for funding that gay marriage must be allowed.
The figure is 51%, still shockingly low, in fact Uganda is ranked one of the worst countries in the world for health outcomes, but still not as bad as you would make out.
Are you forgetting they are a majority Catholic Christian country
I don’t know why you keep avoiding giving me the information I’m asking for.
Because if you are asking me to offer you proof that a communist government doesn’t allow Christianity shows that you don’t even know what you are talking about. Tell me what do you think.a communist government is?I don’t know why you keep avoiding giving me the information I’m asking for.
Provide evidence** from official government policy documents **that Christians **will **be sent to prison for decades or killed by the state for the mere fact they are Christians and nothing else.
You can’t, can you
So your claim is baseless.
Sarah x
Yet more proof you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I am for some of those things, but again you lump things together that aren’t the same. Someone perjuring themselves does involve others. Someone smoking a joint in their own home does not. So again your example is flawed.
I don’t know where you’re getting your information from, or if you just don’t know what you’re talking about, but there is no such conditions in any IMF agreement for funding that gay marriage must be allowed.
Please actually read some IMF facts regarding Uganda.
Then please highlight where any condition for funding includes the requirement to support and sanction gay marriage.
IMF Concludes Staff Mission to Uganda
OPERATIONAL GUIDANCE TO IMF STAFF ON THE 2002 CONDITIONALITY GUIDELINES
REVISED —January 25, 2010
I haven’t.said that there is anything in any agreement that says anything about gay marriage. Read again. I told you that funding is conditioned to the policies imposed by the IMF and that this is a technique (and is quite obvious) commonly used by them to impose whatever they want. Do you think they are dumb enough to write that ,in the agreement? If they would do that how could they make sure the country actually complies when after given the money there is no.way to.enforce it? They impose conditions and until.The country doesn’t meet them.nothing is done. How is going to.show up in any agreement?
The figure is 51%, still shockingly low, in fact Uganda is ranked one of the worst countries in the world for health outcomes, but still not as bad as you would make out.
Are you forgetting they are a majority Catholic Christian country
Sarah x
Seems you didn’t read what I wrote. I am not lumping anything. I am talking about actions that are wrong. Everything I listed are actions considered wrong. Your argument is that homosexuality doesn’t fit in my list because involves two consenting people hence the action is not wrong. My answer to you is that it doesn’t matter whether the two people are consenting because consent from the parties is not what determines whether an action is wrong. I gave you a lost of examples that, just like homosexuality, involve the consent of both parties ( bribery, drug trafficking) or do not involve a.consenting party at all (suicide, perjury) that are criminalized despite the fact that consent exists or is not even an issue at all.
Really, so you actually think.a.communist government allows Christianity? One I am.still.waiting for.you to.answer.me what communism.is. Second, then how do explain that under the Marxist theory religion is an opium used by the working classes to rule the working classes and that one of cores.of Marx is the rejection of religion? How do you reconcile that China has a communist government and that Catholicism is.flourishing? I already told you you can look at the type of government of.China and you can also look at Marxism and religion. So now give me a link that says that a communist government allows Catholicism.and is permissive of religion.Yet more proof you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Christianity and Catholicism are present and growing in China.
There are difficulties between Chinese Authorities and the Vatican, but that is a mile away from your claim a communist government **doesn’t allow **Christianity.
And you still haven’t provided any official government policies.
Let’s leave it there.
You are seriously misinformed about everIything from IMF policy to health care in Uganda to the relationship between China and the Vatican and the daily life of Christians in China.
Please read and educate yourself before you make any more outlandish baseless claims.
Sarah x
You are missing my point that everything that is immoral shouldn’t be illegal.
China doesn’t blindly follow what Karl Marx wrote.
Please don’t add replies into quotes as it makes it look like I said something I didn’t.
No problem.
Read the conditions.for.lending at the Imf, the country HAS to agree to the imf`s policies. Do you think if the country says no.to their.policies, are they getting the money? And yes I know the topic of the thread, you were the one who brought the subject of Uganda not me and I said very clearly (apparently you are having trouble understanding what I wrote because you keep on repeating things that I have not said and derailing) that I don’t agree with criminalizing homosexuality. What I am telling.is that there is way more than what the eye meets when it comes to claims.That gays are oppressed.Please don’t add replies into quotes as it makes it look like I said something I didn’t.
There is no condition, written or unwritten, set by the IMF, **as you claimed **for Uganda to recognize same sex marriages.
None.
Did you even bother to read their guidelines for funding?
You are wrong, but appear to have a hard time accepting that.
The discussion is abouIt being perceived as hateful if you are against same sex marriage.
You making baseless assertions with no ability to back them up adds nothing but hysteria to the discussion, and does an injustice to those you are making false claims about.
How you can attempt to argue that putting homosexuals in prison for decades and threatening them with the death penalty for **no other reason ** than they are homosexuals is not but an act of hate is beyond me.
More so considering Uganda is a majority Christian majority Catholic country.
Sarah x
That is mot what I asked you. I.asked you for a link…and read again clearly…That states that communist governments are permissive of Catholicism and of religion.No problem.
Freedom of religious belief in China
Information Office of the State Council Of the People’s Republic of China
June 1996, Beijing
Concerns are ongoing about freedom of expression of religion as indicated by 2007 ANNUAL REPORT of the CONGRESSIONAL-EXECUTIVE COMMISSION ON CHINA ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION
Fact: The Communist Government of China is permissive of religion.
As demonstrated in the links above.
Making your claim False.
As I said, you don’t appear to know what you’re talking about.
But you also appear to be unwilling to learn, so, as there’s nothing else to be gained by engaging with you, our conversation is over.
Sarah x
I.agree that not.all immorality.should.be.illegal, on that we are exactly on the same.page. just don’t tell.me that if you don’t agree.with certain conduct (homosexuality ) just don’t it and.let others do it because that statement is nonsense.You are missing my point that everything that is immoral shouldn’t be illegal.