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Count on it, treat life as disposable and communities affected will not get better. It really is about morality.
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Ben Carson: It's 'racist' that blacks have the highest abortion rate
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I am assuming this was another recorded speech? Speaking posthumously?
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Victoria33
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Wow, is someone confusing Ben Carson and Herman Cain?
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RidgeSprinter
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Yes I was. OOOOOPS…
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Victoria33
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Dr. Carson speaks the truth, there is no sidestepping this.
I won’t vote for a party that has Planned Parenthood among their utmost special interests. How can one?
I won’t vote for a party that has Planned Parenthood among their utmost special interests. How can one?
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ProVobis
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Be careful. It may be racist just to confuse.
LeafByNiggle
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If there is racism in the differential abortion rate, it is in the factors that make black women choose abortion. Offhand, there are several I can think of:
- Black women tend to have less access to contraceptives.
- Black women tend to be less financially secure.
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Democrats who run the big cities most of them live in.
PP did try to deemphasize Margaret Sanger, I’ll give them credit for that, but her racist and eugenicist influence still runs strong within that organization. But somehow it’s a crime to notice that. Especially when it’s a black man doing the noticing.
LeafByNiggle
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You could prove that by big cities run by Republicans where the factors I listed do not occur.LeafByNiggle:
Democrats who run the big cities most of them live in.
You could prove that by… (On the other hand, you just can’t.)
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How come leftists are okay with focusing on equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity when it comes to financial opportunities but when it comes to the disproportionate, wholesale slaughter of black children its better to focus on the factors that led to that outcome? Hypocrisy and inconsistency at its finest.
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A classic Leaf dodge. The top cities with large black populations are all run by Democrats. Find me one that is run by a Republican and I’ll come back to the table to discuss this one.
Another classic Leaf dodge. Sanger was very welcome at KKK meetings at which she spoke. It’s interesting how that’s been whitewashed out of her history, among other sordid and politically incorrect details. Her eugenicist views were firmly aimed at blacks.
You might check this out:
to discover the disproportionate number of abortions in the black community.
Then check this out about locations of PP clinics. The data is several years old, but it is very likely not that much different today.
https://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/index.html
Maybe the lack of proper medical and prenatal care for black women isn’t what it could be as you have been arguing. Well, again, who’s running those big cities they live in?
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It is well known that many women who get abortions do it from pressure by family or by boyfriends. So, you are asserting something , calling it racism but I believe what is racist is the system itself putting the pressure on what may often be black teens and those in their early 20s, hence, it is society itself and those who make these laws.
You provide no backup at all.
While I know my data does exist:
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Victoria33
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That’s pretty much proven. The Planned Parenthood in NY removed her name from the clinic.
Also, the bit about PP clinics in minority neighborhoods or within walking distance.
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Where does the racism he calls out lie? Who is guilty of racist acts?
He does not specify. Or is the racism contained in the grain storage monuments, i,e. the pyramids?
LeafByNiggle
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You have not shown that this “outside pressure from family or boyfriends” is the result of Democratic politicians, which was the claim.LeafByNiggle:
It is well known that many women who get abortions do it from pressure by family or by boyfriends. So, you are asserting something , calling it racism but I believe what is racist is the system itself putting the pressure on what may often be black teens and those in their early 20s, hence, it is society itself and those who make these laws.
What claim did I make that required backup?
I don’t doubt that many women are pressured into abortions, but that does not show that black women are pressured by Democratic politicians.
This is the result of PP responding to where the demand is. Rich women who want an abortion don’t need PP. They can pay for top dollar for it. So there is no sense placing PP clinics in rich neighborhoods.
You don’t have to cite a “top city”. You could cite Garland, TX; Irving, TX; Chesapeake, VA; Aurora, CO; and about 24 more Republican-led cities in the top 100. Just find one in this list with a substantial black population living with a same wealth as their white neighbors in that city.LeafByNiggle:
A classic Leaf dodge. The top cities with large black populations are all run by Democrats. Find me one that is run by a Republican and I’ll come back to the table to discuss this one.
I have no doubt that Sanger has strong racist view. That does not prove that PP pushes those view today.
I also have no doubt that there are more abortions in the black community, and I listed several possible reasons for that above that had nothing to do with Democratic policies.
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The stats referred to in this thread do NOT include the white women who are able to obtain abortions in the privacy of their doctors offices. They don’t have to go to PP.
I don’t pay attention to anything Ben Carson says. (He and Herman Cain are not the same person.)
I don’t pay attention to anything Ben Carson says. (He and Herman Cain are not the same person.)
Are condoms not sold in black communities?
Are condoms more expensive in black communities?
Regardless, if this two factors are true, shouldn’t abstinence or other activities that do not lead to pregnancy be the appropriate choice?
Isn’t it institutional? In this case, the institution of Planned Parenthood?
LeafByNiggle
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I’ll bet rich people use the pill much more than condoms.LeafByNiggle:
Are condoms not sold in black communities?
The financial insecurity isn’t just about buying condoms. It is about the cost of raising a child. People who are financially insecure are more likely to chose abortion than people who are not.LeafByNiggle:
Are condoms more expensive in black communities?
Same question for rich people who use the pill.
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The list goes on and on and again, all of this about pressuring a woman. They shouldn’t go through that over this. That’s societal.
Democrats were willing to try to deny Brett Kavanaugh being confirmed to the Supreme Court and it’s probably simply over Planned Parenthood.
Selling parts of the body, another repugnant thing with Planned Parenthood.
Solidly backed by the Democrat party. And yes, they get a few Republicans in there too but it’s not nearly the same.
You want to look at racism, look at Planned Parenthood and why do the Democrats back them so much and it really goes beyond backing them.
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