Ben Carson: It's 'racist' that blacks have the highest abortion rate

[LeafByNiggle]

As for saying “the poor woman”, the Democrat party is further leaving her vulnerable to societal pressures, her boyfriend or family.

Those pressures are often based in fear of complications in the delivery and what it will cost. If these services are provided at no cost to those women, the pressures from others will be markedly weakened, and the woman’s natural love for her child can dominate those outside pressures.

Democrats have in some venues sought to shut down Crisis Pregnancy Centers and the help available to these women.

No, they have not shut down centers that offer help. They have only shut down those that spread misinformation.

 

[JonNC]

Apparently that incentive is not working, because so many still seek abortion. That is why I suggest providing a more positive incentive.

What more incentive can I give than what God has given?

 

[JonNC]

I wouldn’t say that PP is directly racist but their specific presence in poor minority neighborhoods is evidence of social oppression of minorities

Which is why the 50 plus years of progressive rule in our cities needs to be defeated.

The same way that expensive convenience stores offering only liquor and cigarettes is oppressive. Another example is pay-day-loan places- also oppressive.

Well, then by all means, let’s take away the rights of individuals to sell or buy legal consumer products, but only in minority communities. Whites can effectively make these kinds of consumer decisions, but people of color can’t.
Is that what your saying?

It’s a symptom of a problem.

Yeah, the problem is the left has convinced some in the American black community that they are victims, incapable of making their own decisions.

 

[JonNC]

Unfortunately the Pro-Life movement has been highjacked by rugged individualists who think the poor need to “work harder” or “make better choices”.

Again, more of the “you can’t make good decisions without government help. You’re just a victim.”

The right doesn’t want their “hard earned money” going to some woman who has made bad choices.

No. People on the right want to maintain their right to choose to help those who need help, not have the choice imposed on them by the authoritarian left.

Personal responsibility is important.

Not if it interferes with progressive goals of power

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Apparently that incentive is not working, because so many still seek abortion. That is why I suggest providing a more positive incentive.

What more incentive can I give than what God has given?

OBGYN services.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

People on the right want to maintain their right to choose to help those who need help,

And the right to choose not to help, which the critical one for them.

 

[JonNC]

Planned Parenthood is already there, already receiving taxpayer money.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Planned Parenthood is already there, already receiving taxpayer money.

Planned Parenthood does not do free C-sections. Nobody does. But we could change that.

 

[vz71]

They could stop doing what they are doing, but where is the racist component in what they do?

Their founding member, Margaret Sanger, made it abundantly clear what the intention was.
They may try to distance themselves from her, bit they are still carrying out her work.

 

[Feanor2]

And in this thread the evidence is clear that the Pro-Life movement has been hijacked by the political right.

It’s why I do not participate in formal Pro-Life activities- especially the March for Life.

 

[Nepperhan]

Their founding member, Margaret Sanger,

Never mind. Any reasonable discussion has ended.

 

[JonNC]

And the right to choose not to help, which the critical one for them.

Yes. It’s called freedom. Choose to give to the charity you choose, which states that lean Republican do more of than those that lean Democrat.
Progressives seem far more interested in Using government power to force others To give to government determined causes.
Leaf, give to whatever charity you choose, and I’ll give to whatever charity I choose.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yes. It’s called freedom. Choose to give to the charity you choose, which states that lean Republican do more of than those that lean Democrat…
Leaf, give to whatever charity you choose, and I’ll give to whatever charity I choose.

It is a good thing for you that people were forced to pay teachers salary to teach kids - even people with no kids - and did not have the freedom to say no.

 

[JonNC]

It is a good thing for you that people were forced to pay your salary and did not have the freedom to say no.

If you wish for your state to do away with government schools, talk to your state legislature. Government schools as a whole are not doing a very good job since the federal government has decided to interfere.

I note that you skipped right over the link.

 

[JonNC]

vz71:

Their founding member, Margaret Sanger,

Never mind. Any reasonable discussion has ended.

There is nothing reasonable about defending Sanger, her organization, or the abortion industry.
Nothing reasonable at all.

 

[JonNC]

And in this thread the evidence is clear that the Pro-Life movement has been hijacked by the political right.

It was deserted by the American left because individual rights, in their view, are secondary to government power.